Attorney General James Files Lawsuit to Dissolve NRA

win231 said:
No one would disagree. Idiots are part of the human species. Including on the road. But I'm not giving up my right to drive because of other peoples' bad behavior. And I'm not giving up my right to self defense because of the criminal actions of others.
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On the road they settle it with guns as well. Same dumb attitudes. If you could test for that you could use it for tests.
 

Somewhat similar to Sunny's sentiments, I've lived in the same community all of my life. Always owned a gun or two since I was 12 and was given a .22 rifle by my grand-dad. Never once in my life have I carried one of my handguns for self-defense?? If you live in such a crappy area that you need a gun in your pocket to move outside of your front door, you have my sympathy and probably should contemplate moving.

My family always owned guns, mostly long guns. Not one ever carried them or even mentioned them in regards to "self defense".
 
We've always had guns growing up. My Dad put my brother and I through the Hunter Safety Course here in town. Most all my friends had guns. Back then it wasn't unusual to see a pick-up truck with a rifle rack at High School. (Boy have things changed.)

Anyways, I gave up on the NRA years ago when they changed from hunting and gun safety, to what they are now. Calling and mailing my house all the time wanting more money.
 

NRA is no different than any other organized group whose member have the same common likes. They pay dues and with those dues they market and promote their organization and have lobbyist on their payroll. There are thousands of groups with there own goals that they promote by doing the same. It is quite the business.
 
Smokey613 said:
I am a Life member of the NRA. Retired LEO, 32yrs. The NRA is not the problem, but Wayne LaPierre and his cronies are. They have corrupted what was a good organization. He has turned the NRA into a money making scheme to make a select few rich. He needs to go but he and his cronies changed the structure of the NRA to ensure they maintain control. I am no fan of Letitia James but I hope her actions helps shed public light on the corruption within the NRA and maybe get rid of the corruption. Most long time/life members are aware of Wayne LaPierre’s corruption but have been unable to remove him. The internal issues are similar to what has happened to our Federal government.
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I can’t understand how LaPierre thought that he could get away with taking luxury vacations for him and his cronies, jet planes and other expensive toys without anyone noticing.

I read in a newspaper that the NRA usually gives about $70 million to the RNC, but this year they will need to keep the money to pay their lawyers to fight the lawsuit.
 
Lewkat said:
That suit will be laughed right out of the court if indeed it is even entertained there. The NRA does no sell guns. It is an advocacy group for the 2nd Amendment Rights of our Constitution. It is not responsible for keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and I have dealt with all types of weapons. Gun makers do add safety measures to them in order to avoid accidents. Home made guns or those that have been tampered with by an individual who has one is not the responsibility of the NRA. Blaming them for who has a weapon and what that person does with it is utterly stupid.
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Agree completely Lewkat. This is about protecting the Constitution of the United States of America! This is about protecting the 2nd amendment! The first action of the take-over of any country is first registration , then the confiscation of arms. Every individual should protect American freedoms; one being defending our Constitution! Yes, The NRA has changed from the old days but WHO ELSE has the power to support the fight to keep our freedoms? If the 2nd amendment topples, next will be the 1st amendment. The Government will be disolved. Think about this!
 
If the US government ever tried to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and confiscate firearms from our people, the BLM riots would seem like a minor scuffle compared to the eruptions that would occur over such an attempt. Millions of hunters and law abiding gun owners would bring this nation to a full stop....and probably park a truck full of "tar and feathers" in front of the home and office of any politician who backed such a measure.
 
Don M. said:
If the US government ever tried to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and confiscate firearms from our people, the BLM riots would seem like a minor scuffle compared to the eruptions that would occur over such an attempt. Millions of hunters and law abiding gun owners would bring this nation to a full stop....and probably park a truck full of "tar and feathers" in front of the home and office of any politician who backed such a measure.
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I'd be happy to contribute generously to it.
First they release violent felons to prey on us, then they want to take away our only means of self defense. Not gonna happen.
 
We never had a gun in our 55 years of marriage.....But my husband maybe will....
It's a defense....We have friends that do have guns...But they keep them locked...
The world is a different place since I was born.....And it is a very scary world now....
I never thought it would come to this....I pray for my loved ones'....
Sorry, I won't have anyone take my home!!!!
That's what might happen!!!!!!!!! Trust me, People....
It's happened already....With the Mob.....
Don't you see what is going on in the Cities.....
So maybe they will take this off...I don't care....It's my right to say what I want...
 
MarciKS said:
Perhaps if they could crack down on the gun safety & who their selling to that would help. I don't really understand why every Tom, Dick & Harry needs a gun? I've lived 54 yrs without one. Never needed one. Never wanted one.
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Neither did I ever have a gun....I lived 75 years and we are getting a gun.....
Never had to say that.....They will take your home and everything else you have...
Believe me....If those idiots setting fires to stores, and smashing windows and cars they
can do that to our homes...….
 
Don M. said:
If the US government ever tried to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and confiscate firearms from our people, the BLM riots would seem like a minor scuffle compared to the eruptions that would occur over such an attempt. Millions of hunters and law abiding gun owners would bring this nation to a full stop....and probably park a truck full of "tar and feathers" in front of the home and office of any politician who backed such a measure.
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I'll be one of them. I will fight to uphold the constitution.
 
peppermint said:
Neither did I ever have a gun....I lived 75 years and we are getting a gun.....
Never had to say that.....They will take your home and everything else you have...
Believe me....If those idiots setting fires to stores, and smashing windows and cars they
can do that to our homes...….
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I still won't own one. I know what I'm like when I'm just angry enough to hurt someone & having a gun in the house at a time like that wouldn't be safe for me or the neighbors.
 
MarciKS said:
I still won't own one. I know what I'm like when I'm just angry enough to hurt someone & having a gun in the house at a time like that wouldn't be safe for me or the neighbors.
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We all know ourselves better than anyone else. If you acknowledge that you're insane, have no self control and a terrible enough temper to kill someone out of anger, NO weapon is for you; not even anything sharp - in the kitchen.
But, not everyone is like you (Thank goodness)
 
win231 said:
You could ask that question about the use of many tools.
Would to avoid using all tools because you might have an accident? Have you ever driven a car?
I learned to drive responsibly.
I learned to own a gun responsibly.
I learned to shoot responsibly (if I have to).
Even ads for alcohol say, "Please Drink Responsibly."

Have you ever asked a police officer the same question? They have accidentally killed innocents. Do you think they should not carry guns?
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It only takes one non responsible to negate you and countless others argument of responsibility.
When a guy can buy multiple semi automatic rifles and rent a room in a hotel and pluck off innocent victims, there's something radically wrong with your argument about your responsibility. It's others that are the concern. You just can't sit back and watch. The comparison to cars doesn't cut it. Cars are not designed to kill people. Other than target shooting for fun what do guns do?
 
Gaer said:
Agree completely Lewkat. This is about protecting the Constitution of the United States of America! This is about protecting the 2nd amendment! The first action of the take-over of any country is first registration , then the confiscation of arms. Every individual should protect American freedoms; one being defending our Constitution! Yes, The NRA has changed from the old days but WHO ELSE has the power to support the fight to keep our freedoms? If the 2nd amendment topples, next will be the 1st amendment. The Government will be disolved. Think about this!
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We have gun registration in Canada to a point. You need a permit to own a gun.You must take a safety course to own one. Handguns require a special permit. No talk at all about confiscation or anything like that or taking over the government. Who else but the NRA can support your freedoms? Good luck with that. Corruption rears its ugly head.
 
Camper6 said:
It only takes one non responsible to negate you and countless others argument of responsibility.
When a guy can buy multiple semi automatic rifles and rent a room in a hotel and pluck off innocent victims, there's something radically wrong with your argument about your responsibility. It's others that are the concern. You just can't sit back and watch. The comparison to cars doesn't cut it. Cars are not designed to kill people. Other than target shooting for fun what do guns do?
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To suggest that I am responsible for the actions of a psycho is utter stupidity.
I am not responsible for any psycho's actions.
I have used fertilizer and diesel fuel in the past. How does that make me responsible for Tim McVeigh's use of fertilizer to make a bomb that killed 185 people in less than one second? Or the Las Vegas shooter for killing 57 people.
If a gun has no use for you, I suggest you don't own one. Besides recreational & competitive shooting, my guns are for self defense. What other method of defense do you suggest for an older person who is no physical match for a young thug; let alone two or three who may also be armed?
I'm open to alternatives if you have any viable ones.

You are blaming an inanimate object that does nothing without a human operating it.
 
Camper6 said:
We have gun registration in Canada to a point. You need a permit to own a gun.You must take a safety course to own one. Handguns require a special permit. No talk at all about confiscation or anything like that or taking over the government. Who else but the NRA can support your freedoms? Good luck with that. Corruption rears its ugly head.
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Guess what? Here, in Ca, you can't own a gun until you pass a written test and also a detailed background check & a 10-day wait for each purchase.
 
win231 said:
Some states have an "Instant Background Check" that takes only a few minutes. CA charges around $50.00; maybe that's why they don't want it; they'd lose quite a bit of money.
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Here in Canada, two courses are required to legally purchase/possess/use a firearm, Non-restricted (long guns), and Restricted (pistols).

Without the appropriate licensing, ammunition cannot even be purchased, though many places don't enforce it/check for credentials.

As for general costs (non-restricted)... $160 (respectively), and an additional $160 more to obtain Restricted classification.
 
Camper6 said:
Do you feel your freedoms are taken away or do you approve?
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I don't really care, but it's a ripoff to have to pay extra for a background check for each gun. If someone wants a gun to commit a crime, why would they have to use the one they're buying now when they already have other guns?
And, criminals don't buy guns legally because they have criminal records & won't pass a background check. And they don't want to leave all their information, which police get copies of. That's why registration & restrictions are useless. In fact, it's a crime for a criminal to even walk into a gun shop or even attempt to purchase a firearm or ammunition or possess a single bullet.
 
win231 said:
I don't really care, but it's a ripoff to have to pay extra for a background check for each gun. If someone wants a gun to commit a crime, why would they have to use the one they're buying now when they already have other guns?
And, criminals don't buy guns legally because they have criminal records & won't pass a background check. And they don't want to leave all their information, which police get copies of. That's why registration & restrictions are useless. In fact, it's a crime for a criminal to even walk into a gun shop or even attempt to purchase a firearm or ammunition or possess a single bullet.
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I asked if your freedoms were a concern for you because the thread claims the NRA protects those freedoms. You say you don't care but your post says you do care. The NRA are against background checks or registrations or restrictions. Now surely if someone is turned down it must have stopped someone from getting a weapon that should not have one. Laymen look at things a lot different than gun aficionados . Yes I know they can get a gun illegally but you have to start somewhere and the NRA are having none of it. Your post shows you are siding with them to my way of thinking. Should a felon getting out of jail after committing a weapons crime be allowed a weapon? I say he shouldn't. That would be against the Second Amendment interpretation by the gun lobby supported by the NRA. Their slogan is no infringement.
 
Don M. said:
If the US government ever tried to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and confiscate firearms from our people, the BLM riots would seem like a minor scuffle compared to the eruptions that would occur over such an attempt. Millions of hunters and law abiding gun owners would bring this nation to a full stop....and probably park a truck full of "tar and feathers" in front of the home and office of any politician who backed such a measure.
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Of course that's never going to happen because the intent of the Second Amendment is to protect the security of the State which is the government.
 
win231 said:
To suggest that I am responsible for the actions of a psycho is utter stupidity.
I am not responsible for any psycho's actions.
I have used fertilizer and diesel fuel in the past. How does that make me responsible for Tim McVeigh's use of fertilizer to make a bomb that killed 185 people in less than one second? Or the Las Vegas shooter for killing 57 people.
If a gun has no use for you, I suggest you don't own one. Besides recreational & competitive shooting, my guns are for self defense. What other method of defense do you suggest for an older person who is no physical match for a young thug; let alone two or three who may also be armed?
I'm open to alternatives if you have any viable ones.

You are blaming an inanimate object that does nothing without a human operating it.
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No I'm not blaming an inanimate object, no more than I would blame the car for an accident. And I'm not blaming you for anything that someone else does. That claim is inanity . I also stated that if I would move to the U.S. I would want a gun and I gave the reason why. Now don't attack the messenger. Attack the topic.
 

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