Awkward-Smoker hates it when I step outside when they're smoking

Bretrick said:
The issue here is that the renter is being disrespectful for smoking in a no smoking building.
I am currently staying in a non smoking holiday apartment. I ventured out onto the balcony only to be assailed with the foul stench of cigarette smoke from the adjoining apartment. I had to go back inside as cigarette smoke is nauseating to non smokers.
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I sympathise with you, Bretrick. I know what it's like to be sensitive to certain smells. Every time my next door neighbour does her wash and the wind is right, I get nauseous from the smell of her laundry. I don't know if it is the detergent or whatever she puts in her dryer but it really makes me physically ill! Where we part ways is that I find cigarette smoke enjoyable to this day! Not by a bunch of smokers getting together, that bothers me, but by an individual!
 

Old Salt said:
I sympathise with you, Bretrick. I know what it's like to be sensitive to certain smells. Every time my next door neighbour does her wash and the wind is right, I get nauseous from the smell of her laundry. I don't know if it is the detergent or whatever she puts in her dryer but it really makes me physically ill! Where we part ways is that I find cigarette smoke enjoyable to this day! Not by a bunch of smokers getting together, that bothers me, but by an individual!
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As you were a former RCN supply tech, I bet you handled lots of "duty free tobacco " on board Provider, didn't you ? How about the pusser rum, was it still issued during your tenure in the RCN ? As long as we are talking old time stuff, what was your personal version of the difference between pusser items, and tidley uniform bits, bought ashore, like zippers in jumpers, or having the inside cuffs of the jumper lined with plaid material for "going ashore " ? Or scrubbing the collar with salt water to get that "old salt " look, or tying the cap talley bow to look like a butterfly ? JimB.
 
Old Salt said:
I still love the smell of a good cigarette to this day! What I don't like, and didn't, even as a smoker was stale smoke. That's the ash can smell so many are complaining about. Yes, it can linger in your clothes as well, and that isn't pleasant! But people complaining because somebody is smoking ten feet away, that's just plain narrow intolerance! C'mon folks, a whiff of fresh smoke isn't that unpleasant! Learn to put up with a life style that happens to be different from yours. It's not that hard, all it requires is a bit of tolerance for that which isn't you!
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I love the smell of pipe smoke. I rarely smell it anymore.
 

jimintoronto said:
As you were a former RCN supply tech, I bet you handled lots of "duty free tobacco " on board Provider, didn't you ? How about the pusser rum, was it still issued during your tenure in the RCN ? As long as we are talking old time stuff, what was your personal version of the difference between pusser items, and tidley uniform bits, bought ashore, like zippers in jumpers, or having the inside cuffs of the jumper lined with plaid material for "going ashore " ? Or scrubbing the collar with salt water to get that "old salt " look, or tying the cap talley bow to look like a butterfly ? JimB.
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I didn't handle the duty free stuff, Jim. The Victualling Storesmen did that. I was Naval Stores. I remember getting my cigarettes for 25 cents a pack though!

Don't talk to me about Pusser rum. That got both branches of Storesmen into trouble on two different ships. There was a thief among us and rum kept disappearing. All leave was stopped at noon Christmas eve while police questioned all those of us who were responsible for issuing the daily tots! The cop, in the company of the Supply Officer and our Chief, looked at me sternly and proclaimed with great certainty: I know you did it! Which was news to me!

After they were done with all of us without getting anywhere, we were shifted to the Police station and locked up with the promise that they would let us go once the thief had revealed himself! He never came forward and we finally got home at five o'clock Christmas Eve. The rest of the ship's company hated us for quite some time after that!

Okay, I hope you are not bored yet, because the rum saga isn't finished yet. Forward four years to a new ship and my second day aboard and once again the Police comes aboard.

You guessed it, rum is missing once again. And three of us had also been on the previous ship which made us the main suspects! I was quickly eliminated after I told them that I was new and hadn't had time yet to issue a single tot! Again no results but years later I was told that it was one of my other two previous shipmates. He was an alcoholic who had managed to fool all of us.

I should have known better since he slept in the bunk above mine and had to take out his mattress regularly to air because of his alcohol induced incontinence! Yikes!

Gotta stop, this lengthy post was written entirely in bed and with a small tablet! I assume you were in the Navy yourself, Jim?
 
A man from the council came to see me about dangerous trees overhanging mine and other neighbouring properties.
I invited him in and sat him down, then went to pour us a cup of tea.
When I returned with the tea, he had a cigarette in his mouth and a lighter in his hand, he asked, "You don't mind if I smoke do you?"
I told him, "Yes, I do mind, I don't allow smoking in my house, go outside if you must smoke."
"But we can't discuss the trees out there surely."
"Yes we can", I said, "You standing in the rain and me under my porch."
He put his cigarette away and his manner became sarcastic.
The thing that irritated me was, when he rang my doorbell, he couldn't fail to see the 'This is a NO SMOKING house' sign in the window by the doorbell.. but he still tried to smoke inside my home.
 
Times have certainly changed with regards to the acceptability of tobacco. My parents didn’t smoke, but had ashtrays out for visitors who did. Smoking was once portrayed in countless ads as something adult and even sophisticated. I’ve worked summer jobs in factories where many smoked, and as an adult worked in offices where smoking was permitted at desks. Now you can’t even burn a candle there!

I’ve had more than one restaurant meal in the old days ruined by diners nearby who smoked before and after a meal. In transitional times, there were smoking and non-smoking sections to restaurants, although the fumes could work their way across. Nowadays, smokers congregate in wretched groups outside of the doors of offices and restaurants to feed their addiction, pariahs in a more health-conscious world...🚬
 
Fyrefox said:
Times have certainly changed with regards to the acceptability of tobacco.🚬
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The change in attitudes toward smoking, and the number of smokers quitting is one of the most dramatic societal shifts I have seen. Smoking was so common when I was growing up that I knew but a handful of adults who didn't smoke. It' dramatic because it wasn't just a mental shift of perspective. Smokers were giving up one of the most addictive substances known to man, and over the course of a few years, things changed. It was a huge personal accomplishment, but part of a bigger collective struggle, and it all happened at once.
 
I had my last cigarette Nov 23 1983, yet I find sometimes when having a coffee or other beverage I get the urge to have a smoke.
It passes when I think about inhaling.

I live in a non smoking apartment building yet even while I am typing this I can smell smoke ( all flavours) from below or above or next door but that just turns me off. I just spray heavily with air freshener.
If people must smoke in their apartment they should at least open their windows or balcony doors regardless of weather.
 
Fyrefox said:
Times have certainly changed with regards to the acceptability of tobacco. My parents didn’t smoke, but had ashtrays out for visitors who did. Smoking was once portrayed in countless ads as something adult and even sophisticated. I’ve worked summer jobs in factories where many smoked, and as an adult worked in offices where smoking was permitted at desks. Now you can’t even burn a candle there!

I’ve had more than one restaurant meal in the old days ruined by diners nearby who smoked before and after a meal. In transitional times, there were smoking and non-smoking sections to restaurants, although the fumes could work their way across. Nowadays, smokers congregate in wretched groups outside of the doors of offices and restaurants to feed their addiction, pariahs in a more health-conscious world...🚬
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Why can't you burn a candle in there? Another thing people enjoyed that they can no longer do. And they wonder why people are attacking each other everywhere. :mad:
 
Old Salt said:
I didn't handle the duty free stuff, Jim. The Victualling Storesmen did that. I was Naval Stores. I remember getting my cigarettes for 25 cents a pack though!

Don't talk to me about Pusser rum. That got both branches of Storesmen into trouble on two different ships. There was a thief among us and rum kept disappearing. All leave was stopped at noon Christmas eve while police questioned all those of us who were responsible for issuing the daily tots! The cop, in the company of the Supply Officer and our Chief, looked at me sternly and proclaimed with great certainty: I know you did it! Which was news to me!

After they were done with all of us without getting anywhere, we were shifted to the Police station and locked up with the promise that they would let us go once the thief had revealed himself! He never came forward and we finally got home at five o'clock Christmas Eve. The rest of the ship's company hated us for quite some time after that!

Okay, I hope you are not bored yet, because the rum saga isn't finished yet. Forward four years to a new ship and my second day aboard and once again the Police comes aboard.

You guessed it, rum is missing once again. And three of us had also been on the previous ship which made us the main suspects! I was quickly eliminated after I told them that I was new and hadn't had time yet to issue a single tot! Again no results but years later I was told that it was one of my other two previous shipmates. He was an alcoholic who had managed to fool all of us.

I should have known better since he slept in the bunk above mine and had to take out his mattress regularly to air because of his alcohol induced incontinence! Yikes!

Gotta stop, this lengthy post was written entirely in bed and with a small tablet! I assume you were in the Navy yourself, Jim?
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Well done, Old Salt. No RCN, I was in Sea Cadets as a teen ager, and later I served 10 years with 1 PPCLI, and then 2 RCR. The tradition of "Up Spirits " ended in what year in the RCN ? I know that the CF in the sand box had a "2 beers a day rule ". The 2 beers were sometimes Canadian brands, but the supply chain usually produced crap from places like S Korea, or Mexico.

Around 2008, I made a few bonded deliveries to CFB Trenton, from a bond warehouse in Brampton, which contained 2 skids of cigarettes to go to Khandahar airbase by a RCAF C 130 aircraft . At that time the official CF position on smoking was that is was up to unit commanders in the field. In reality water was a much more sought after item, with individuals on patrol drinking 15 liters a day, in temps of around 45 Celsius.. Nothing like a liter of nearly boiling water that tastes of the plastic bottle it came in. Adding flavor crystals like Crystal Lite only improved it a little bit. JimB.
 
chic said:
Why can't you burn a candle in there? Another thing people enjoyed that they can no longer do. And they wonder why people are attacking each other everywhere. :mad:
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Think about this for a while..........Your "right to smoke " ends when it enters MY LUNGS. JimB.
 
DH & I smoked until about age 30, when we went to a clinic and quit at the same time. I'm tolerant of smokers and don't mind the smell of cigarette smoke. DH can't stand it.

No one may smoke in our home or vehicles, nor could I imagine anyone attempting to light up in either place. I know very few smokers anymore. (Most quit and the rest died.) On the rare occasion when smokers are here, when the mood strikes they sit outside by the pool and enjoy their cigarettes.

I think smoke bothers some people more than others. Having quit myself, I know what a beast it is to give up both the nicotine fix and the habit.
 
jimintoronto said:
Think about this for a while..........Your "right to smoke " ends when it enters MY LUNGS. JimB.
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I am talking about candles in this post. Meditation candles are wonderful. But now people cannot light candles anymore? I would like to know why.
 
JustDave said:
The change in attitudes toward smoking, and the number of smokers quitting is one of the most dramatic societal shifts I have seen. Smoking was so common when I was growing up that I knew but a handful of adults who didn't smoke. It' dramatic because it wasn't just a mental shift of perspective. Smokers were giving up one of the most addictive substances known to man, and over the course of a few years, things changed. It was a huge personal accomplishment, but part of a bigger collective struggle, and it all happened at once.
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This is true in the US and 2nd generation (and beyond) Americans, particularly in certain areas of the country. Living in a low smoking rate city and state, I'm often shocked at the prevalence of smoking in our immigrant population, when traveling outside our borders and when in certain states. (Canada's smoking rate seems similar to the US's.)


https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/cigaretteuseadult.html
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Fyrefox said:
I’ve worked summer jobs in factories where many smoked, and as an adult worked in offices where smoking was permitted at desks. Now you can’t even burn a candle there!
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chic said:
Why can't you burn a candle in there? Another thing people enjoyed that they can no longer do. And they wonder why people are attacking each other everywhere. :mad:
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I never, ever worked anywhere that allowed people to burn candles. Not in an office, warehouse or factory. Talk about a fire hazard!
 
It was disturbing to walk past folks, often attached to their IVs, sitting outside a hospital smoking. Now they have to go to a designated open area.
 
chic said:
Why can't you burn a candle in there? Another thing people enjoyed that they can no longer do. And they wonder why people are attacking each other everywhere. :mad:
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Candles can considered an open flame or fire hazard. Unlike a metal stove in a kitchen area with a metal frig etc a candle can be put near a window with curtains. Some of those smoking and candle bans are local ordinance and not just apartment building rules.

Too me if one has a glass hurricane cover over them it should be ok or is safer anyway. Setting aside the smell/smoke smokers can be a fire hazard. It only take idiot, one careless mistake and many families can out of a home shortly after.

Ironic you bring up candles. The smoker and pot head in the OP also burns a pine scented candle to cover their activities much like the driving pot head with a new air freshener in the car all the time.
 
jimintoronto said:
Well done, Old Salt. No RCN, I was in Sea Cadets as a teen ager, and later I served 10 years with 1 PPCLI, and then 2 RCR. The tradition of "Up Spirits " ended in what year in the RCN ? I know that the CF in the sand box had a "2 beers a day rule ". The 2 beers were sometimes Canadian brands, but the supply chain usually produced crap from places like S Korea, or Mexico.

Around 2008, I made a few bonded deliveries to CFB Trenton, from a bond warehouse in Brampton, which contained 2 skids of cigarettes to go to Khandahar airbase by a RCAF C 130 aircraft . At that time the official CF position on smoking was that is was up to unit commanders in the field. In reality water was a much more sought after item, with individuals on patrol drinking 15 liters a day, in temps of around 45 Celsius.. Nothing like a liter of nearly boiling water that tastes of the plastic bottle it came in. Adding flavor crystals like Crystal Lite only improved it a little bit. JimB.
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Fascinating, Jim, and well past my time! I have no idea when "up spirits" ended but it was a few years after I left the Navy. I didn't respond to the later part of your previous message because my fingers and hands were getting sore, so a quick addition: all those things you mentioned like enhancing your uniform or bleaching the collar are true but weren't a Supply Tech's thing, they were more commonly used by the stokers and bos'n's! :)
 
Paco Dennis said:
I smoked for 20 years, and my job was a housecleaner. My costumers were near me quite a bit and nothing was ever said about my smell. They did instruct me to smoke outside if there were no smokers in their house. That was from 1984-2004.

Then a long time customer ( 23 years ) said she had a friend that needed a housecleaner. She then said "I can tell you this because I am a friend. You stink. I want you to clean yourself up before meeting her.". Yikes!!! I then asked my dentist if I smelled offensive. He said he never thought that.

I think this is one of those cultural changes involving offensive behaviors that were once not noticed and we allowed "bad" behavior in public. Things change. I do not like the attitude some have of viewing smokers with contempt. The air is polluted too. Who are we supposed to feel offended by to really show our contempt for ruining our environment?
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I stopped smoking about 40 years ago. It wasn't until after I stopped that I was aware of the strong odor from ashtrays, cars, and people's clothing. My daughter is Autistic and hypersensitive to odors so we moved to a smoke-free apartment complex.
 
timoc said:
A man from the council came to see me about dangerous trees overhanging mine and other neighbouring properties.
I invited him in and sat him down, then went to pour us a cup of tea.
When I returned with the tea, he had a cigarette in his mouth and a lighter in his hand, he asked, "You don't mind if I smoke do you?"
I told him, "Yes, I do mind, I don't allow smoking in my house, go outside if you must smoke."
"But we can't discuss the trees out there surely."
"Yes we can", I said, "You standing in the rain and me under my porch."
He put his cigarette away and his manner became sarcastic.
The thing that irritated me was, when he rang my doorbell, he couldn't fail to see the 'This is a NO SMOKING house' sign in the window by the doorbell.. but he still tried to smoke inside my home.
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A belated apology by a former smoker: We honestly didn't know how offensive smoke was to the non-smoker. I had a lot of boiling resentment in me because my colleagues in the Post Office would sniff disdainfully when they had to enter my cubicle. I couldn't understand or tolerate their "narrow mindedness" when it came to my cherished habit!

Now, I understand! Sadly, if the man got sarcastic with you, he thought it was justified! I exhibited the occasional sneer in connection with some remarks myself. And, because I remembered long after I quit, I kept out an ash tray for smokers for years after the fact. To me, hurt feelings and losing friends over their distasteful habit was worse than having to put up with a bit of smoke!
 
After having a hay pasture burned by a careless smoker we do not allow any smoking on our property at all anywhere, the man never paid us a cent for the loss of our hay ($4500), (50 round bales) so 1 person less in my life due to being a smoker. The hay cost more than that to replace it hauling and such, fuel. I have no friends that smoke left. I am very anti smoking here.
 

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