Baldwin faces charges.

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Baldwin and others face involuntary manslaughter charges. At first, I thought Baldwin didn't even know the gun was loaded, so how could he face charges. But you have to separate Baldwin, the actor from Baldwin, the producer . As the producer of the movie, he is responsible for the safety of the crew. It could be argued that, as producer, Baldwin was negligent in overseeing the prop weapons on his sets.
What do you think?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/ente...ting-alec-baldwin-charges-decision/index.html
 

I look forward to seeing how this unfolds in court. There were a few people responsible for loading the gun before Baldwin even got it. Someone f*Ed up.
 
SeniorBen said:
Alec Baldwin f*ed up. You don't handle a gun without first checking to see if it's loaded. It's common sense. Too bad so many people with guns lack common sense.
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But how could he tell if they were real or blanks? Plus he depended on at least 2 others to know that.
 
Ruthanne said:
But how could he tell if they were real or blanks? Plus he depended on at least 2 others to know that.
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Blanks (note the crimped nose & no bullet)
Blanks for Revolvers


Live Ammo:
.45 Colt cartridge featuring a jacketed hollow point bullet
 
Ruthanne said:
Are they easily identified in the chamber?
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Well, sort of. In the chamber of a single action revolver (like guns would be in a western movie), you would have to look at the front of the cylinder, which would only be done safely by removing the cylinder, first, which is easy. If you wanted to look without removing the cylinder, you would have to point the barrel near your head, not a good idea.
 
SeniorBen said:
Alec Baldwin f*ed up. You don't handle a gun without first checking to see if it's loaded. It's common sense. Too bad so many people with guns lack common sense.
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Excuse me, he's an ACTOR. The part that makes it bad to all is that he was also Producer, which makes him in charge.
 
I think if he hadn’t made himself so very unlikeable with his internet rants, I might have more sympathy. He has denied pulling the trigger, but we All know guns don’t fire themselves. Whoever was responsible for the props on that set is also culpable.
 
This is going to be a really tough case for any DA to get a conviction. I would think they will try to cut a deal.
 
To be honest, if Baldwin wasn't a "big Hollywood movie star", and this incident happened during the shooting of a car insurance ad, I doubt he would have been charged with manslaughter. He may be the producer, the guy in charge, and as such he can delegate to those more experienced in gun props. I can see why the prosecutor had to charge him. Charging is one thing, proving it in court is another.
 
Ruthanne said:
Are they easily identified in the chamber?
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Doesn't have to know wether they are live or blanks. Anything in the chamber should be treated as a live round/loaded gun.

I'm not sure if he should be charged with a felony though. He should lose his shirt and found guilty in the civil suits.

But it was a workplace safety incident and there were probably procedures to prevent what happened so Baldwin, producers, directors etc should also face regulatory charges and fines as well.
 
Pepper said:
Excuse me, he's an ACTOR. The part that makes it bad to all is that he was also Producer, which makes him in charge.
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That's true, he is an actor, but he was also handling a real gun. Anybody who handles a real gun should follow proper safety protocols. Guns don't become less lethal when on a movie set, as was demonstrated by his carelessness.
 
One thing I've noticed over the years. Among "non-gun people," there is a myth that safe gun handling requires expertise.
It takes 1-2 minutes to show a complete novice how to check various types of firearms.
But a fool can never be shown.
 
The last time I shot a rifle was during Navy boot camp, 55 years ago. I don't even remember how to load the thing. So, if someone gave me a weapon, and told me there were blanks in it, I wouldn't be able to judge for myself. How would I know they were blanks?

But I wonder if I hire an electrician to rewire my home, and he screws up and burns the place down, am I responsible for his errors, because I didn't "supervise" him? Wouldn't it be the same as Baldwin hiring a known fire arms consultant, with movie experience? Baldwin may civilly be liable, but criminally liable???? I dunno.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
The last time I shot a rifle was during Navy boot camp, 55 years ago. I don't even remember how to load the thing. So, if someone gave me a weapon, and told me there were blanks in it, I wouldn't be able to judge for myself. How would I know they were blanks?
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1. You probably would point the rifle in a safe direction, where the damage could be lived with if it fired. (which means not at anyone) Your finger would not be on the trigger.

2. You might say to the person who handed the rifle to you, "Can you show me how to check?"
 
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