Lewkat
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Which is what they should be using. Just use sound effects when the trigger is pulled.
Baldwin faces charges.
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When it first happened it was being reported that the armorer was a young woman, this was her first real job, and she had been hired because she was much cheaper than older more experienced armorers.
By all accounts she was very cavalier and careless about the job and broke quite a few rules, one being that no loaded guns should be on the set at all, but she had loaded some and allowed crew members to target practice during breaks.
My opinion: Baldwin should be fined as a producer who is partly responsible for who is hired.
The armorer should get the full five year sentence. Someone died because she was trying to be cool and popular.
By all accounts she was very cavalier and careless about the job and broke quite a few rules, one being that no loaded guns should be on the set at all, but she had loaded some and allowed crew members to target practice during breaks.
My opinion: Baldwin should be fined as a producer who is partly responsible for who is hired.
The armorer should get the full five year sentence. Someone died because she was trying to be cool and popular.
Gaer
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Well, He HAD TO HAVE pulled the trigger.
I think when one handles a gun, he takes on the responsibility,
the obligation to make sure it's handled correctly.
I think when one handles a gun, he takes on the responsibility,
the obligation to make sure it's handled correctly.
I think the entire blame belongs with the person or persons who were in possession of the gun before it was handed to Baldwin. In the first place, there should have been no live bullets anywhere on that set. Secondly, whoever loaded the gun should have been able to tell the difference between live bullets and blanks. Should Baldwin have checked the gun before he fired it? No. It was reasonable for him to trust that it contained blanks. If Baldwin was shooting a scene that required him to fire that gun, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to check it first with the cameras rolling. If this had happened, he would have shot someone else. Baldwin is the other victim, here, as I see it.
Murrmurr
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I didn't know he was one of the producers. Since he was, then yeah, I agree he bears some responsibility.
SeniorBen
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Even blanks can be fatal. Terry Kath, the great guitarist from the band Chicago was fooling around with his gun loaded with blanks. Trying to be funny (I guess), he put it to his head and pulled the trigger. The force from the blank shattered his skull and killed him. That was in the late '70s.
Yup
Point blank with blanks, to the side of the head, no matter the caliber, is most likely gonna be fatal
No matter the circumstance or your position
You hold the weapon
You check your load
Movie set?
There are no retakes for a life taken
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Lewkat
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Agreed.
yup
That's why what makes sense to me is what I read previously - that during breaks, they were target shooting at cans behind the set & didn't check all 6 of the gun's chambers before rehearsing.
And, did you catch that firearms error in the final part of that scene when Clint cocks the revolver & pulls the trigger after the actor says "I gots to know?" You'll notice that when Clint pulls the trigger, the gun's cylinder turns - which doesn't happen on any revolver after it's cocked - unless it's not functioning correctly.
The S&W Model 29 44 Magnum was in short supply when that movie was made, so the gun used was actually a .41 Magnum (same frame & cylinder size as the 44). And it was made up with spare parts & the armorer probably figured no one would notice that the cylinder didn't lock up properly.
Sawfish
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The producers were right to think no one would notice. I'm a gun guy & I only noticed it when I played that scene in slow motion.
Later, I read about it on a website that listed "Movie Mistakes."
There is another error in another "Dirty Harry" movie - "Magnum Force." In that scene when Clint Eastwood finds a bomb in his apartment mailbox, one of those "Movie Tour" buses is driving by & you can see a reflection in the front window of a guy waving at the camera crew.
CarolfromTX
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So here’s what I heard on the news today. Why was there a live round on the set? Because the crew was shooting beer cans as recreation. That, in itself, is not so bad, if you’re doing it safely. But if you’re on a movie set with lots of weapons, how easy would it be to get things confused? Who thought that was ok?
Sawfish
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The damned thing about firearms is that a minor error can be irreversible.
NO MESSING AROUND, EVER.
That's why a gun has to be checked every time it changes hands or is moved. Gun people already know that & it's a habit, just like "safe direction." And, when someone says, "Hey, can I check out your gun?" it's checked again and the gun is handed to someone with the action open so both individuals can see that it's safe.
Professional shooters who spend hours & hours practicing both with live ammo and dry firing at home don't have such accidents because firearms safety becomes a habit:
Key word: "If." I couldn't accidentally shoot anyone because I'm not careless or reckless.
Failing to check a gun is careless & reckless. Pointing a gun at someone (especially a gun you haven't checked) is careless & reckless. And pulling a trigger on a gun you are pointing at someone is as foolish as can be.
An empty gun cannot shoot anyone or anything....much like a car with no gas in it won't start. A gun must be checked for TWO reasons:
1. To verify that it is empty when you want it to be empty.
2. To verify that it is loaded when you want it to be loaded.
Sawfish
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I agree with all you've said. I'll add that even after I've seen it, taken possession of it, I *still* treat it as if it was loaded.
Never let the muzzle play across anything you cannot bear to lose or damage. There is no joking around guns.
It's not that hard.