Ban gas cooking ranges?

I think there would be a huge outcry if the government tried to ban gas stoves. We have a gas stove and we both prefer it. I’m pretty sure most commercial kitchens use gas as well.
 

CarolfromTX said:
I think there would be a huge outcry if the government tried to ban gas stoves. We have a gas stove and we both prefer it. I’m pretty sure most commercial kitchens use gas as well.
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I agree - You're from Texas... Ya ever try using Cast Iron on an electric stove?
 
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That is one thing on my wish list. I have gas heating, water heater and gas fireplace. For some strange reason, I do not have gas in the kitchen, all electric.
I prefer a gas stove and ovens for cooking. I think it gives us so much more control in cooking. If I get a windfall, win the lottery, I would run gas to the kitchen and replace my stove top and ovens.

Our home, as a child had gas for heating, cooking, everything just taste better to me. We did not have a fireplace but we did have one of those little gas heaters in the bathroom built into the wall. Laugh if you will but I would love to have one of those. I have heaters in the bathrooms, electric, those so called obsolete heaters, I don't know if they even make them any longer.
 

Wayne said:
Wish I had gas but did not want a propane tank to keep full, we have no gas service here available.
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You don't need to have a big tank to fill Wayne, I have used
a system, here in the UK, you get two portable tanks, quite
large, you connect them together at the kitchen window, they
come with a changeover valve, when the one goes empty, the
system goes to the full one, you then call the supplier to come
and change the empty tank, it is all done for you.

Here is a link that shows you the system, I think that it is American
https://www.lpgasmagazine.com/understand-automatic-changeover-regulators/

Mike.
 
Many houses have been destroyed in spectacular explosions due to gas leaks. News media never reports on where the leak was... whether it was from the stove or furnace. If they were from stove leaks, that could be a good reason to switch to electric, but that's not part of the rationale for wanting to ban them in new construction.

Meh, I like my gas stove, and my kitchen is well ventilated, so I'm not worried about it. It's probably a bigger problem for tiny apartments with inadequate ventilation, like inner city poor people might have. In those cases, maybe they should be banned.
 
With my parent’s gas stove, I delighted in holding pretzels with tongs over the gas flames so as to darken them. Sure, some would catch on fire, but blowing them out was part of the fun. I’ve also made toast that way. After I left home, I never encountered another gas stove, although I’ve lived in hybrid rentals where the stove was electric but the water heater and dwelling heat were gas.

I guess that Hank Hill is off the hook because he sells propane and propane accessories rather than natural gas…

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Pepper said:
Less responsive is why I prefer gas. Also, and most important, when/if there is a power outage I can still cook.
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I prefer electric, but you make a good point about power outages. We've had a couple that lasted nearly a week. People were driving 20 miles for a cup of coffee. Fortunately we have a neighbor with a gas stove. (-8
 
Fyrefox said:
In December, a scientific study was published that indicates that gas cooking ranges emit fumes that can account for up to 13% of childhood asthma cases. Apparently as a result of this, government banning of gas ranges is on the table in the U.S., although not a strong likelihood.

So how about it? Is this another instance of government overreach? Do any of you still cook with gas? My parents did, and I never developed asthma...and remember when the expression “Now you’re cookin‘ with gas!” meant that you were into the latest, greatest thing?!
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I grew up with electric stoves, and that's all we use now. Gas stoves have always seemed dangerous to me. Maybe because I never used one? I don't know. I always hear about gas leaks and the house exploding and things like that.
 
Any new gas connections (new construction, renovation) are going to be banned in California, and parts of UK.
One town in UK has the UK GOv tearing out gas appliances and installing electric, as a test case.

You can rest assured the politicians , mandarins and beurocrates with sinecures who rule over us poor serfs will keep their gas appliances.

"Let em eat cake"

Marie-Antoinette..1798, France

Jon
 
Victoria said:
I grew up with electric stoves, and that's all we use now. Gas stoves have always seemed dangerous to me. Maybe because I never used one? I don't know. I always hear about gas leaks and the house exploding and things like that.
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I've heard of electrical fires as well. Gas leaks probably from pilots or flames going out on older models in particular. Most man made things can be dangerous at times.

The rationalization for advocating this ban is basically indoor air pollution which is an issue on several fronts. Most Americans like artificial environments which means there house is closed up tight over 1/2 the year. Heat when it's 'cold' and a/c when it's hot. Many have windows open less than 1/2 a year. Also many conflate fans with ventilation ie using ceiling fans in particular when the heat or ac is on which does nothing but swish existing air around.
 
Electromagnetic or induction stoves are probably the future of cooking. But they're expensive.

With induction stoves, the magnetic field directly heats pots and pans – and their contents – rather than transferring heat like traditional stoves do. The stove itself doesn’t get hot. In fact, you could turn on an induction burner and put your hand on it. (Just don’t do it after a hot pot has been on the surface.) Also unlike traditional electric stoves, induction stoves don’t take time to heat up. That makes them more analogous to gas stoves. But they’re more efficient than gas stoves. Tests have shown they can bring a pot of water to boil in half the time of a gas stove.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/15/gas-stoves-pollution-alternatives
 
Senior Ben: As an Electronic Engineer I have designed the kind of RF induction used in these induction stoves.

1/ Only induction rated cookware must be used, never glass or ceramic (no heat) or wrong kind of metal as the ferrous/nonferrous and magnetic properties of the pots and pans wioll affect the system.

Count on replacing all cookware for induction.

2/ The power of ~ 1kW per burner requires a high frequency inverter with that power being switched by a FET or other semiconductor with an area of perhaps a square CM. The result is a weak point tat can fail over time. Repairs are costly.

3/ Most of these are made in China very cheaply and poor quality.

4/ Much cheaper is an ordinary electric smooth cooktop, with coils or infrared heaters under a thick heat proof ceramic or glass. Cheaper, Simpler, more reliable and can use ay type of cookware. Efficiency about the same. Had a Dacor 36" like that since 1999, no problems at all.

5/ As the induction have powerful magnetic HF fileds, some believe the emissions are harmful, like a microwave.

Enjoy,

Jon
 
Victoria said:
I grew up with electric stoves, and that's all we use now. Gas stoves have always seemed dangerous to me.
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The only fire I have seen started by a stove was an electric one. The owner left a burned on and put a box of things, some shotgun shells included, on top of it and went to the store.

I guess the same could happen with gas, but it is easier to see the burners are on.

I suspect fire safety is probably about the same, gas or electric.
 
Indoor air quality is not the reason for these bans. It's an excuse for one group people to s
Jean-Paul said:
Senior Ben: As an Electronic Engineer I have designed the kind of RF induction used in these induction stoves.

Jon
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Is it true that induction stoves need a higher amp circuit than most other electric stoves made for home use?
 
Jean-Paul said:
Senior Ben: As an Electronic Engineer I have designed the kind of RF induction used in these induction stoves.

1/ Only induction rated cookware must be used, never glass or ceramic (no heat) or wrong kind of metal as the ferrous/nonferrous and magnetic properties of the pots and pans wioll affect the system.

Count on replacing all cookware for induction.

2/ The power of ~ 1kW per burner requires a high frequency inverter with that power being switched by a FET or other semiconductor with an area of perhaps a square CM. The result is a weak point tat can fail over time. Repairs are costly.

3/ Most of these are made in China very cheaply and poor quality.

4/ Much cheaper is an ordinary electric smooth cooktop, with coils or infrared heaters under a thick heat proof ceramic or glass. Cheaper, Simpler, more reliable and can use ay type of cookware. Efficiency about the same. Had a Dacor 36" like that since 1999, no problems at all.

5/ As the induction have powerful magnetic HF fileds, some believe the emissions are harmful, like a microwave.

Enjoy,

Jon
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Thanks for that info, @Jean-Paul. If I ever decide to replace my gas stove, I'll keep that in mind.
 
Here's a pretty good video about the benefits of induction ranges. As long as your pots and pans are made of steel or cast iron, they'll work with induction ranges. Aluminum pots and pans won't. Aluminum is a paramagnetic material.

Here's some info on the dangers:

Some people worry that induction stoves are unhealthy because of the electromagnetic fields used to heat pans, but in general, you don’t have to worry about electromagnetic fields (EMFs) from an induction stove. They are non-ionizing and do not damage DNA or cells directly.1 They give off intermediate frequency EMFs. The National Cancer Institute,2 Institution of Engineering and Technology,3 the European Commission Directorate-General of Health and Consumer Protection,4 and the World Health Organization5 have concluded that these EMFs are not harmful to humans, though studies are ongoing. Studies that explored the effect of induction stoves on pacemakers found mixed results.6,7 If you have a pacemaker, consult a physician before buying an induction stove. If the EMFs from induction stoves still give you pause, you can always choose a traditional electric stove instead of an induction stove.
https://gbpsr.org/issues/electrification/induction-stoves/
 
I just took a look at induction cooktops on Amazon and they're not very expensive. Single burner units with 1800 watts go for well under $100 and two burner units are around $150. It might be better to go with higher wattage, like over 2,000 watts, which is what one article I looked at recommended.

More research is needed.
 
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