Boehner to step down in October!

Your hysterical ramblings have nothing to do with what I posted.. I was discussing the filibuster and the overriding of a presidential veto..

Your wish is my command..

The Filibuster:

The validity of the filibuster is said to rest on the authority of the Senate to make its own rules. (Article I Section 5)The Presidential Veto:

Just trying to get back on track with how this trend started.
Exactly the deck has been stacked against the Republicans because John Boehner would not fight as dirty as the Democrats. That is exactly why he's packing his bags next month.
 

Aren't you missing your Sunday morning dose of FOX???

You asked me where the Constitution demanded a 2/3 majority vote in the House and Senate... and I showed you..
 
By the way... Constitutionally, there is NO way any of the far Right whacko-doodle schemes can pass into law.. They may get out of the House with a simple majority... However once in the Senate.. they will be filibustered according to Senate rules.( see above for Constitutionality).. and will require 60 votes... If by chance they get through the Senate and on to the Presidents desk.. He will veto them.. That would require a 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate to over-ride.. (again.. see above for constitutionality).. SO.. I wouldn't be too quick to do the happy dance over Boehner leaving.. In other words... the 30-40 Teaparty Congressmen are boxed in.. and can do nothing but create drama and spend taxpayer money on useless crap.
 

Moral decisions are for each of us as individuals to decide.
Government has no business mandating morality in such a personal area.

Abortion must never be mandatory.
No woman should be compelled to terminate a pregnancy
because that would take away her right to exercise her own conscience.

Be the same token, we should not judge a woman who decides the best course of action is an abortion.
We cannot actually walk a mile in her moccasins to understand why she came to this decision.

Well said Warrigal, I completely agree.
 
Moral decisions are for each of us as individuals to decide.
Government has no business mandating morality in such a personal area.

Abortion must never be mandatory.
No woman should be compelled to terminate a pregnancy
because that would take away her right to exercise her own conscience.

Be the same token, we should not judge a woman who decides the best course of action is an abortion.
We cannot actually walk a mile in her moccasins to understand why she came to this decision.



Absolutely!! Well said!
 
Dude Who, You Tube is not the best place to do factual research. In case you haven't noticed, there is a lot of crap on You Tube, those videos to which you refer being some of it. They were doctored. Whether or not one "feels something" watching those videos does not affect the question of whether or not they are authentic. They are bogus.

What is the morality of trying to use doctored videos to attempt to close down facilities which do a whole lot of good? Or does the end justify the means? I think not.
 
Just a point of order -- Congress cannot legislatively overturn a Supreme Court decision:

"Congress can't eliminate court precedent. While Congress may pass a new law that changes the impact of the court's decision,
the precedent remains in effect. For example, in 1986 the Supreme Court ruled that a federal civil rights law that protected people
with disabilities from discrimination did not apply to the airline industry. However, Congress meant for that law to apply to airlines.
Congress responded to the decision by passing a new law, the Air Carrier Access Act, that applied specifically to air travel. While
this had the effect of protecting the rights of disabled people traveling by air, it didn't overturn the court's decision. The earlier
law still doesn't apply to the airline industry."
 
[h=1]Republican hard-liners are ‘false prophets,’ Boehner says[/h]Source: Washington Post

Republican hard-liners are ‘false prophets,’ Boehner says

By Mike DeBonis September 27 at 11:36 AM

Outgoing House Speaker John A. Boehner, in his first one-on-one interview since announcing his resignation last week, compared conservative hard-liners in his party to biblical "false prophets" who promise more than they can deliver.

Boehner announced Friday that he would step down Oct. 30 after nearly five years as speaker amid constant pressure from his party's right flank. Asked Sunday by host John Dickerson on a live broadcast of CBS's "Face the Nation" whether those hard-liners are "unrealistic about what can be done in government," Boehner exploded.

"Absolutely, they're unrealistic!" he said. "But, you know, the Bible says beware of false prophets, and there are people out there spreading noise about how much can get done."

Boehner referred, as he has in the past, to the ill-fated 2013 shutdown over funding of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare: "This plan never had a chance," he said, but he blamed outside forces for leading Republicans down an ill-advised path: "We got groups here in town, members of the House and Senate here in town, who whip people into a frenzy believing they can accomplish things that they know — they know! — are never going to happen."

Dickerson followed up by asking whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), the leading proponent of the 2013 shutdown, was a "false prophet."

-snip-


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-hard-liners-are-false-prophets-boehner-says/
 
Aren't you missing your Sunday morning dose of FOX???

You asked me where the Constitution demanded a 2/3 majority vote in the House and Senate... and I showed you..

Yes and I asked how did the ACA pass with a majority plus one vote.
my point being two-thirds majority is only if you're Republican Democrats need a majority + 1.
 
Here is ONLY one such case, it happens all the time. Learn the subject before attempting to teach i

http://allday.com/post/4955-girl-wh...her-brother-looks-back-at-what-shes-overcome/

Nice, can you show me where I said that didn't happen, love you guys question words if it your narrative. I was accused of blaming the 12 year old girl for what happened. I didn't blame her I didn't say it didn't happen I didn't refer to the case. I simply asked where did I state it was the 12 year olds problem. nice try though.
 
Yes and I asked how did the ACA pass with a majority plus one vote.
my point being two-thirds majority is only if you're Republican Democrats need a majority + 1.

Because it didn't... It passed 60 yea to 39 nay... Please do your homework before making such statements.. It makes you look uninformed.

[h=1]H.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act[/h]This was a vote to pass H.R. 3590 (111th) in the Senate.

Congress
111th Congress

Date
Dec 24, 2009

Chamber
Senate

Number
#396


Question:On Passage of the Bill in the SenateResult:Bill Passed
TRACK VOTES



TOTALS DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN INDEPENDENT
YEA60


60%
5802
NAY39


39%
0390
NOT VOTING1


1%
010
REQUIRED:Simple Majoritysource: senate.gov

 
.R. 3590 (111th): Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act This was a vote to pass H.R. 3590 (111th) in the Senate.

Congress
111[SUP]th[/SUP] Congress

Date
Dec 24, 2009

Chamber
Senate

Number
#396


Question:On Passage of the Bill in the SenateResult:Bill Passed
Track Votes





Totals Democrat Republican Independent
Yea 60


60%
5802
Nay 39


39%
0390
Not Voting 1


1%
010
Required: Simple Majority
I clearly see the words Simple Majority
Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act never passed a US Senate vote. It takes 60 votes to pass legislation out of the US Senate, and Obamacare only got 54 Yes votes. Senate President Harry Reid used an arcane loophole in the rules to “deem” Obamacare passed with a simple majority and moved the bill to President Obama for his signature.
My homework is done, Let me know if they is anything else I can clear up for you.
source: senate.gov

 
So.... In YOUR mind 60 votes out of 100 Senators is a SIMPLE MAJORITY??? What school did you go to???

There were 60 YES votes... 39 NO votes and 1 not voting.... That makes 100...... a simple majority is 50+1 vote..

60 VOTES is a super majority... which is what is required to over ride a filibuster...

Maybe if words are too hard for you... a picture may help.

thumbnail
 
So.... In YOUR mind 60 votes out of 100 Senators is a SIMPLE MAJORITY??? What school did you go to???

There were 60 YES votes... 39 NO votes and 1 not voting.... That makes 100...... a simple majority is 50+1 vote..

60 VOTES is a super majority... which is what is required to over ride a filibuster...

Maybe if words are too hard for you... a picture may help.

thumbnail

ok I'll try just one more time. If you been following this trend you would see that I posted before that the Constitution states you need to thirds vote to pass both the House and the Senate for a bill to become law. I think we agree on that don't we? Since you like pictures I'll see if I can help you with the little video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0

Nowif you go ahead and count the red and blue dots and do a little simple math you'll see that two thirds threshold was not reached, or do you have another way of counting 2/3s that I don't know about?
Now if you would like to go back and reread the bottom of my last post you will see that Harry Reid used a loophole to deem Obamacare passed with a simple majority.
Now here is the important part so I'll try to use small words for you. The definition of simple majority is 50% plus one vote. I think we can all agree that would be different than two thirds wouldn't it? If there's anything else I can help you out with let me know.
 
Dude.... Please study Senate rules.... 60 votes are required to beat a filibuster... When a bill is filibustered.. as the ACA was.. 60 votes are needed. 60 votes were gotten... THE ACA had 60 votes... a super majority... NOT a simple majority... what.. Did you fail 6th grade math???

You are so confused about what 2/3rds is... that''s 67 votes... or a 2/3 majority. That is want is needed to over ride a Presidential veto.. Ya know Dude... It's really easy to figure out in the Senate.. with only 100 Senators... I won't even begin to talk about the House... That would be far too difficult for you.
 
You can twist and turn, attack, belittle but the one thing about history is you can't change it.


Not twisting and turning OR attacking Dude... Just trying to educate you to the truth... I'm showing you real numbers... The ACA passed with 60 votes... a super majority..... You cannot dispute the facts... duddie..
 
Facts! You want facts! You can't handle the facts! (Sorry, that little corruption of a movie script couldn't be resisted.)
 
Facts! You want facts! You can't handle the facts! (Sorry, that little corruption of a movie script couldn't be resisted.)


Facts...How about a play by play.

[h=1]How Obamacare Became Law[/h]June 26, 2015 By Brian Sussman 3 Comments

I originally posted this piece on November 21, 2013.

It was the trickiest legislative move ever accomplished in the Congress. Here’s my best play-by-play:
Obamacare was signed into law in March 2010. If you recall, Nancy Pelosi’s Democratic majority in the House of Representatives was unable to pass their version of a healthcare law. Because all revenue bills have to originate in the House, the Senate found a bill that met those qualifications: HR3590, a military housing bill. They essentially stripped the bill of its original language and turned it into the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), aka Obamacare.
The Senate at that time had 60 Democrats, just enough to pass Obamacare. However after the bill passed the Senate, Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy died. In his place, Massachusetts elected Republican Scott Brown. That meant that if the House made any changes to the bill the Senate wouldn’t have the necessary number of votes to pass the amended bill (because they knew no Republicans would vote for Obamacare). So Senate Leader Harry Reid cut a deal with Pelosi: the House would pass the Senate bill without any changes if the Senate agreed to pass a separate bill by the House that made changes to the Senate version of Obamacare. This second bill was called the Reconciliation Act of 2010. So the House passed PPACA, the Senate bill, as well as their Reconciliation Act. At this point PPACA was ready for the President to sign, but the Senate still needed to pass the Reconciliation Act from the House.
Confused?
We all were.
And it got worse.
Remember that the Senate only had 59 votes to pass the Reconciliation Act since Republican Scott Brown replaced Democrat Ted Kennedy. Therefore in order to pass the Act Senate Democrats decided to change the rules. They declared that they could use the “Reconciliation Rule (this is a different “reconciliation” than the House bill). This rule was only supposed to be used for budget item approvals so that such items could be passed with only 51 votes in the Senate, not the usual 60. Reconciliation was never intended to be used for legislation of the magnitude of Obamacare. But that didn’t stop them.
So both of the “Acts” were able to pass both houses of Congress and sent to President Obama for his signature without a single Republican vote in favor of the legislation. The American system of governance was shafted. To quote Democrat Rep. Alcee Hastings of the House Rules Committee during the bill process: “We’re making up the rules as we go along.”

As I stated, the Bill NEVER PASS THE HOUSE WITH 60 VOTES.
 
That article shows the history of how the Democrats twisted the Constitution to get the ACA signed into law. If you don't agree with it you can do your own due diligence and you will find that it is undisputed fact of what exactly what went on. The bill that was originally introduced to the House never would have passed a Constitutionally required 2/3's vote. So Nancy and Harry Reid started their antics.
ACA was the first and only non-budgetary bill in the history of the United States to pass in to law without getting two thirds vote in both the House and the Senate. This all leads back to the McConnell and Boehner. The leaders of the Democratic wing of the Republican Party. They never showed the desire or ability to fight as hard as the Democrats unless they are fighting the the conservative base.
 
I sure remember that mess as it unfolded for the public to see. Good old Reid for pushing this twisted way and Pelosi for agreeing to use it.

Maybe once Obama is gone we will have efforts to correct this medical thing called Obama care.
 


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