Ca told NOT to charge electric cars this weekend

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Jeni

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Californians need to take three steps to save electricity: set their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using large appliances and charging electric cars, and turn off unnecessary lights. California ISO added that residents will reduce the risk of more drastic measures, like rotating power outages, if they follow these guidelines. It also noted that motorists who drive an electric car can charge it before 4:00 p.m.

Over 40% of the nation's plug-in vehicles are registered in California, according to Democratic governor Gavin Newsom's office, and Labor Day is one of the busiest travel weekends of the year. California also pledged to ban the sale of gasoline-powered equipment, including lawn mowers, leaf blowers, pressure washers, generators, and chainsaws, in a bid to encourage residents to buy electric equipment.

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. sided with environmentalist groups in 2016 and agreed to close the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant in 2025. However, in August 2022 lawmakers voted to lend Pacific Gas & Electric Co. up to $1.4 billion to keep the plant open until 2030. The facility's two reactors produce a total of 18,000 gigawatt-hours of electricity annually, which represents about 10% of California's energy portfolio, and the Los Angeles Times explains that the blackouts that hit California in 2020 convinced government officials to extend Diablo Canyon's life.
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/09/01/californians-told-not-to-charge-electric-cars/

so i guess stay close to home .....and hope it is not hot while NOT using appliances or charging your car
 

Southern California will be solid 100F+ and one can predict deranged cretins will also be out starting wildfires. Furnace Creek at Death Valley was showing 122F mid afternoon and even now at 9pm shows 115F. One often reads eastern regions with high humidity with temperatures near the century mark are much worse than dry heat in the Southwest. However once temperatures climb high enough even dry heat becomes miserable, especially at night trying to sleep. Homeless people will suffer.

Has cooled to 75F now at 9pm after reaching 92F mid afternoon. Just the start of a warmer week. Tomorrow sunrise is forecast at 62F so will open windows and doors. Our hottest day locally will be near 100F next Monday and Tuesday. Given our coastal climate, I haven't had AC for about 2 decades.
 
It’s beginning to feel like shortages and supply chain disruptions are becoming a new way of life for people from all walks of life.

We need to change our priorities and prepare ourselves for life in this new world.

“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” - H.G. Wells
 
Aunt Bea said:
It’s beginning to feel like shortages and supply chain disruptions are becoming a new way of life for people from all walks of life.

We need to change our priorities and prepare ourselves for life in this new world.

“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” - H.G. Wells
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Or we can fight it so hard they change their minds about what they're doing.
 
chic said:
Or we can fight it so hard they change their minds about what they're doing.
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Who are they? :unsure:

IMO it has more to do with reaching a saturation or tipping point where our traditional bigger means better consumer-oriented life can no longer be sustained.

IMO if we all adjust our priorities and consume a bit less there should be enough for all.

"Live simply that others might simply live." - Mahatma Gandhi

"Live simply and appreciate what you have. Give more. Expect less." - Stephen Covey
 
Jeni said:
Californians need to take three steps to save electricity: set their thermostats to 78 degrees or higher, avoid using large appliances and charging electric cars, and turn off unnecessary lights. California ISO added that residents will reduce the risk of more drastic measures, like rotating power outages, if they follow these guidelines. It also noted that motorists who drive an electric car can charge it before 4:00 p.m.

Over 40% of the nation's plug-in vehicles are registered in California, according to Democratic governor Gavin Newsom's office, and Labor Day is one of the busiest travel weekends of the year. California also pledged to ban the sale of gasoline-powered equipment, including lawn mowers, leaf blowers, pressure washers, generators, and chainsaws, in a bid to encourage residents to buy electric equipment.

Pacific Gas & Electric Co. sided with environmentalist groups in 2016 and agreed to close the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant in 2025. However, in August 2022 lawmakers voted to lend Pacific Gas & Electric Co. up to $1.4 billion to keep the plant open until 2030. The facility's two reactors produce a total of 18,000 gigawatt-hours of electricity annually, which represents about 10% of California's energy portfolio, and the Los Angeles Times explains that the blackouts that hit California in 2020 convinced government officials to extend Diablo Canyon's life.
https://www.autoblog.com/2022/09/01/californians-told-not-to-charge-electric-cars/

so i guess stay close to home .....and hope it is not hot while NOT using appliances or charging your car
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if they don't have the power supply to meet the demand of the electric cars why suggest we get one? this makes absolutely no sense to me. you would think they'd been better prepared for this.
 
MarciKS said:
if they don't have the power supply to meet the demand of the electric cars why suggest we get one? this makes absolutely no sense to me. you would think they'd been better prepared for this.
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i agree if they were farther along in just improving the energy grids we have let alone the massive need for more electricity IF everyone MUST have this type of car .....
 
Aunt Bea said:
Who are they? :unsure:

IMO it has more to do with reaching a saturation or tipping point where our traditional bigger means better consumer-oriented life can no longer be sustained.

IMO if we all adjust our priorities and consume a bit less there should be enough for all.

"Live simply that others might simply live." - Mahatma Gandhi

"Live simply and appreciate what you have. Give more. Expect less." - Stephen Covey
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True story...the long term trend toward consumption and consumer goods has impacted the planet with air and water pollution and climatic change. The calm quiet of "living simply" has gotten away from us.
Don M. said:
California seems to be full of good ideas on protecting the environment....however, they seem to lack the infrastructure to make it happen. It;s one thing to legislate "mandates", but quite another to actually have the means to achieve these goals.
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Since the early 2000s California has been pushing out programs to encourage homeowners and businesses to install solar power systems. And, through the Net Metering Program participating customers receive a bill credit for excess generation that is exported to the electric grid. A pretty smart approach, as nuclear generation here can't be guarenteed safe due to the potntial earthquake hazard.
 
Aunt Bea said:
Who are they? :unsure:

IMO it has more to do with reaching a saturation or tipping point where our traditional bigger means better consumer-oriented life can no longer be sustained.

IMO if we all adjust our priorities and consume a bit less there should be enough for all.

"Live simply that others might simply live." - Mahatma Gandhi

"Live simply and appreciate what you have. Give more. Expect less." - Stephen Covey
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They are the government. Who else makes the laws pertaining to energy? :ROFLMAO: I think one day there will be a shift to EVs but it would go easier on people if there was not this incessant push when the infrastructure does not exist and our economy is in tatters.

People were not forced to get rid of/stop riding / using horses just because cars had been invented. :unsure: It makes sense.
 
MarciKS said:
if they don't have the power supply to meet the demand of the electric cars why suggest we get one? this makes absolutely no sense to me. you would think they'd been better prepared for this.
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People are being asked to not charge electric cars during peak power use hours, specifically between 4 pm and 9 pm. They can do so during the other 19 hours out of 24.

Same with major appliances. We're asked to use them off-peak. If I need to do laundry I start it at 7 AM and tumble dry it for 15 minutes to get the wrinkles out, then hang the rest to dry. My dishwasher gets run every other day - either very late at night or very early in the morning.

Conserving energy during peak hours isn't difficult nor is it an outrageous request for stressed power companies to make of their customers.
Better that than brownouts or blackouts.
 
I've attached a copy of the "flex alert" issued by California power providers. If you read it, you'll see that their requests aren't scandalous.
 

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I just don't understand if it's gonna create a hardship on the power supply to where people are gonna hafta do this or that at certain times to avoid rolling blackouts why they went with electric cars to begin with and why they would push that agenda onto the public. Obviously there's already too much demand on these generators as it is. Why make it worse with adding the powering of these vehicles?
 
StarSong said:
People are being asked to not charge electric cars during peak power use hours, specifically between 4 pm and 9 pm. They can do so during the other 19 hours out of 24.

Conserving energy during peak hours isn't difficult nor is it an outrageous request for stressed power companies to make of their customers.
Better that than brownouts or blackouts.
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During our massive heat dome issues earlier this year, we had the same alerts.
People adapt, and get used to it.
 
Nathan said:
It's been hotter-than-normal(and muggy!) virtually all summer, but today was noticeably hotter. Thermostat always set to 80 F., electric bill in excess of $350/mo. Next year: Replacing the central AC, looking into getting a solar system. No plans for electric car.
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Replacing the AC and your solar plans sound really good. My AC unit at the apartment is old and I know it's inefficient. And good work keeping at 80 degrees.
 
Nathan said:
It's been hotter-than-normal(and muggy!) virtually all summer, but today was noticeably hotter. Thermostat always set to 80 F., electric bill in excess of $350/mo. Next year: Replacing the central AC, looking into getting a solar system. No plans for electric car.
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I could be wrong, but I'd heard something about California implementing a plan wherein they will allow only electric or hybrid (?) cars by 2035. Have you heard about this?

Oh, I just saw Alligator's comment. My bad.
 
They were discusing the heat wave on news talk this morning. Apparently some parks are closing for the next several day. They were also discussing 'don't use the oven.' I mean seriously, I don't use mine in the summer already and this morning I noted a woman with a frozen pizza in her cart at Trader Joe's. So she clearly doesn't get it.

People need to start line drying more if they physically can and don't have major allergies. Those home owner association no laundry line rules need to go away.
 
Remy said:
They were discusing the heat wave on news talk this morning. Apparently some parks are closing for the next several day. They were also discussing 'don't use the oven.' I mean seriously, I don't use mine in the summer already and this morning I noted a woman with a frozen pizza in her cart at Trader Joe's. So she clearly doesn't get it.

People need to start line drying more if they physically can and don't have major allergies. Those home owner association no laundry line rules need to go away.
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"So she clearly doesn't get it."

Maybe she is going to re-heat it on the grill ?
 
My son and family live in CA. When he renovated his home a couple of years ago, it included a large solar array. He added another 1500 ft., pool, decks, and as part of his solar setup he included an additional something or other so he could charge his EVs.

When we were there earlier in the year there was some issue and the power was out for 3days!! His entire street was affected, but because everything in his home was run off his solar energy, it was business as usual for us!
He ran a bunch of power cords to the curb and encouraged his neighbors to pass the word that anyone who needed to could come charge their phone etc. Day 2 he added a couple of microwaves as well.

Ron and I looked at installing solar panels. We had a long discussion with the rep, but unlike California we don’t get as much sun so it was iffy that we would be able to power the house the way my son does. That, plus given the cost, we would likely pass away before we’d paid it off so that we could start getting free energy.
 
Ronni said:
My son and family live in CA. When he renovated his home a couple of years ago, it included a large solar array. He added another 1500 ft., pool, decks, and as part of his solar setup he included an additional something or other so he could charge his EVs.

When we were there earlier in the year there was some issue and the power was out for 3days!! His entire street was affected, but because everything in his home was run off his solar energy, it was business as usual for us!
He ran a bunch of power cords to the curb and encouraged his neighbors to pass the word that anyone who needed to could come charge their phone etc. Day 2 he added a couple of microwaves as well.

Ron and I looked at installing solar panels. We had a long discussion with the rep, but unlike California we don’t get as much sun so it was iffy that we would be able to power the house the way my son does. That, plus given the cost, we would likely pass away before we’d paid it off so that we could start getting free energy.
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Bless your son's heart, Ronni. It's clear where he learned his kindness and generosity.
 
So, ultimately, CA will simply restrict travel to the few with inside connections? Which then will force all to live in population-dense urban centers that only allow public transit?
 

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