Canada's Green Party Wants A 2 Child Limit To Reduce Population

WhatInThe said:
Canada's Green Party wants Western nations to adapt a two child limit to help reduce the world's population.

https://news.vice.com/article/canad...-worlds-population?utm_source=vicenewstwitter

Some say it's a social engineering policy. But just like China Western nations should have a limit on the number of the children per family. Uh huh.
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I think this is a great idea.....we need drastic measures to slow population growth that is contributing to global warming....nothing in the article of 'killing off' anyone.
 

This is quickly becoming a problem. With people living longer and the pyramid effect of births, it is rapidly allowing our population to exceed our ability to feed it. It is a tough decision the world must make reminds me of the tiny life raft which is sinking in heavy seas, someone must go or all will perish! I dunno how we fix it, and in my lifetime it won't be fixed by it will have to be addressed.
 
AZ Jim said:
This is quickly becoming a problem. With people living longer and the pyramid effect of births, it is rapidly allowing our population to exceed our ability to feed it. It is a tough decision the world must make reminds me of the tiny life raft which is sinking in heavy seas, someone must go or all will perish! I dunno how we fix it, and in my lifetime it won't be fixed by it will have to be addressed.
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Nature & fate tend to do that job well and relentlessly.
 
AZ Jim said:
Actually apparently not. Every year brings more and more increase in population of the world.
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In many areas yes. But what is maximum capacity. Nature is already kicking people out of California with a drought. What's the saying one can run but can't hide forever. People are smart enough to know their limits, most western societies already self limit their family size, many who don't struggle as do many off spring with the hunt being for economic opportunity instead of food.
 
WhatInThe said:
In many areas yes. But what is maximum capacity. Nature is already kicking people out of California with a drought. What's the saying one can run but can't hide forever. People are smart enough to know their limits, most western societies already self limit their family size, many who don't struggle as do many off spring with the hunt being for economic opportunity instead of food.
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Like I said, you and I will not see this thing get to the breaking point, but at the current death/birth rate, it will come to a crisis point.
 
Afraid too many of us North American folks and many European types plus the Chinese and Russians are watching the populations problems. But so many of the believers just keep em coming from young till old. No care to stop pregnancy from far too many participants of loving their ladies. Seems to happen far too often for some areas of the world.
 
This spokesman should look at the fertility rates of Canada, Australia and the US.

All of them are under 2 children per woman and have been that way for some time.

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Baby booms happen from time to time but over lifetime, the trend is for less children.
For a while women delayed pregnancy in favour of career development.

Today there seems to be a mini boom in some places because the older women are having their children at the same time as there is a trend for younger women not to delay pregnancy because they now realise that fertility can be a problem after age 30. The net effect is a spike in births that is not going to be sustained. The number of children tends to be the same over the total child bearing years.

If the spokesman is suggesting that no woman can have more that two children, then he is suggesting a contraction of the population because there will always be women who have no children, either by choice or as a result of infertility, and others will choose to have an only child.
 
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"Experts" claim the Earth is capable of supporting at least 4 times it's current human population. "Supporting" how well, though? :(

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imp said:
"Experts" claim the Earth is capable of supporting at least 4 times it's current human population. "Supporting" how well, though? :(

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Back in the late 1990's, the UN commissioned a study on global population, and their "experts" placed the maximum sustainable global population at around 5 billion. We are already at 7.3 billion, with 9 billion expected by mid century, and 12 billion by the year 2200. At some point, the basic Laws of Supply and Demand are going to catch up with humanity. Automation is reducing the need for human labor a bit more every year, and Climate Change is going to have a marked impact on agriculture as time passes. Already, well over 1.5 billion live in poverty, and that number is only going to grow. The nations of the "developed world" are not seeing a major growth...rather it is the poorer nations and people who are having excess numbers of children. Something is going to give...and not that far into the future. It may be a new "plague", or massive famine....or more likely a war that will make WWII seem like a minor disagreement.

One thing is for sure....this recent Syrian mass migration is the precursor of what is coming.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
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Looking at the graph, we see that in Canada, Australia and the US the fertility rate began to decline sharply after 1960.

Why? Reliable contraception that was under the control of women.
The contraceptive pill was taken up with enthusiasm by women of my generation and by our daughters.
Catholic women were a little slower to respond but before long they were defying their priests and church teaching.

This is still not readily available in many third world countries, either because it is too expensive or it is not permitted for cultural reasons. It doesn't help that the US has had a policy of refusing to include birth control and sexual health education in foreign aid packages. Where women are given the opportunity to have less babies there is a tendency for cultural attitudes to give way because the women drive the change.
 
I've been reading for several years now the 'replenishment' birth rate is actually below what is needed in the US especially. Meaning the US and many other western or more modern countries will run out of people to do jobs and functions needed to maintain the society. Now the replenishment rate could be dependent how big the population is ie demands.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/us-births-decline/1880231/

Also noted that there is no proven link between declining populations and peace & prosperity. And robust population growth can lead to innovation which in turn can help the planet.
 
AZ Jim said:
Like I said, you and I will not see this thing get to the breaking point, but at the current death/birth rate, it will come to a crisis point' and 'And robust population growth can lead to innovation which in turn can help the planet..
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Exactly Jim. Projected population by 2050 is in the vicinity of 9.5 billion (we're somewhere around 7 now I think), drinkable water is disappearing, food security is becoming an issue in many parts of the world, pollution is wrecking the oceans, we're losing topsoil and the bees are still dying.......sounds like a crisis approaching doesn't it?

As for robust population growth......until it doesn't right? You can only add so many rats to the cage before they quit getting along and start eating each other.
 
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/12/us-births-decline/1880231/

This UsaToday article seems to be primarily concerned with the ratio of SS recipients vs. workers...and rightly so. When SS was first implemented, there were over a dozen workers paying into the system for every retiree drawing from the system. Now, that ratio is down to less than 3 workers paying in, for every senior getting benefits. A slowing birth rate, And a substantial increase in longevity in the past few decades are creating problems for the future of SS. That is why it is So Important for people to take an increasing responsibility for funding their own retirements....a responsibility that is Not being met.

This increasing population will Only insure that the growing rates of Poverty will continue. Without sufficient creation of new jobs, a continuing stagnation of wages, and more and more people placing demands upon social welfare programs, the nations finances are going to reach a "tipping point" of stress.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Looking at the graph, we see that in Canada, Australia and the US the fertility rate began to decline sharply after 1960.

Why? Reliable contraception that was under the control of women.
The contraceptive pill was taken up with enthusiasm by women of my generation and by our daughters.

Very True. Women have the ability to recognize the problems associated with unchecked Procreation...whereas Men seem to think that they can "spread their seed" without consequences. It seems that so many Men have most of their brains located in their Crotch. Family planning and contraception Must be emphasized if the burgeoning population issue is ever going to be brought under control. These recent attacks on Planned Parenthood could very well set back any gains made in recent years. Those who oppose any family planning on Religious Grounds probably base their assumptions on the Biblical passage that says "Go Forth and Multiply"...without regard for the problems that such activity will ultimately create.
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WhatInThe said:
Nature & fate tend to do that job well and relentlessly.
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But we have figured out ways to put 'nature' and 'fate' off haven't we? All kinds of procedures and medications to cure this disease or that, life extending support, etc. We might think it's so wonderful that we now live to 85-90+ but aren't we circumventing what 'nature' intended by doing so? So maybe it's not such a bad idea that we individually take responsibility for the number of human beings we bring into the world.
 

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