CDC director confirms FDA in talks to streamline authorization of omicron-specific vaccine

Murrmurr said:
Pfizer CEO says “Omicron Variant Could Mean Fourth Vaccine Dose Needed Sooner Than Expected.”
(https://www.usnews.com/news/health-ne... )

Where is the scientific data to support that bold statement? Scientists who are actually doing the research still agree the two-dose primary series offers effective protection against severe disease and death. If we’ve learned anything about SARS-CoV-2 in the past 20 months, it’s that Covid-19 virus mutations are not very predictable, so it’s reasonably likely that by the time they come out with an Omicron-specific booster, we’ll see another variant.

Pfizer’s CEO consistently makes these bold statements with no or very little scientific data to back them up, and he’s allowed to do that. Why is he not being criticized for spreading misinformation?

The word "could" is used differently in science. Scientists say "could" only when scientific data suggests the possibility of some specific event. We keep hearing there is “not enough data to prove definitively” that Omicron could be milder or more severe. Well, the same principle applies to the prospect of a 4th vaccine.

Pfizer’s CEO is no different than any other desk-scientist, he learned about Omicron by reading about it. Because of his position and status, his words are very influential, and yet he chooses to make statements without adequate data.
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They're setting people up for annual or semi annual booster shots for life. You do know this right? Or suspect it at least?
 

chic said:
They're setting people up for annual or semi annual booster shots for life. You do know this right? Or suspect it at least?
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just like Street drug dealers the first few tastes are free..... lol ( not really free still taxpayer funded)

but taking shots every year etc is a non stop revenue stream and the only thing is they have people convinced it COULD give some protection or MIGHT make it easier if you still get virus.
 
suds00 said:
read the comments that respond to the posted article.. the number of breakthrough cases among the vaccinated are very low compared to cases among the unvaccinated and they are primarily among the elderly.
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those that are PRIMARILY among the elderly.... That is the population that was always at greatest risk.
Lectured to since the beginning that age doesn't matter ... but if break though cases or death it is "well they were old "

I noticed from the start of this pandemic .... we were told we must shut everything down schools included so no one brings this home to grandma etc.
Media has gone out of its way to get stories of younger and healthier folks dying so no one thinks it is only going to effect the elderly or ill
but if vaccinated that line of reasoning goes out the window
 

chic said:
They're setting people up for annual or semi annual booster shots for life. You do know this right? Or suspect it at least?
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If it proves safe and effective, it makes sense to offer it as another optional annual flu shot, and people can decide whether they want it or not.
I did get the 2 covid vaccines, and I've explained why a few times on this forum, but I've never gotten an annual flu shot, and haven't had the flu since I was a kid. I won't be getting the booster.
 
Jeni said:
just like Street drug dealers the first few tastes are free..... lol ( not really free still taxpayer funded)

but taking shots every year etc is a non stop revenue stream and the only thing is they have people convinced it COULD give some protection or MIGHT make it easier if you still get virus.
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"They have people convinced?" You mean some people actually believe the findings and suggestions of scientists and physicians, instead of listening to tinhorn politicians?
 
Murrmurr said:
If it proves safe and effective, it makes sense to offer it as another optional annual flu shot, and people can decide whether they want it or not.
I did get the 2 covid vaccines, and I've explained why a few times on this forum, but I've never gotten an annual flu shot, and haven't had the flu since I was a kid. I won't be getting the booster.
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@Murrmurr what changed your mind about getting a booster shot? What will you do when 3 shots and then maybe even 4 shots become necessary to be considered fully vaccinated? 🤔
 
I agree with all the people who have said if it takes multiple booster shots, so be it. What's the big deal about getting a booster, especially one that keeps you from possibly catching a fatal disease? Yes, it's a nuisance, and requires interrupting your very busy life for an hour or two, to go to the nearest pharmacy or medical facility. Most people have no side effects from the booster, or at worst, maybe a slightly sore arm for one day. (I didn't even have that.)

I wonder if a phobia about getting a tiny shot is what's really behind all this nonsense. Or if it's politics. Strange that the same handful of people who originally argued that the disease doesn't exist or isn't that bad, and then argued that the masks are not necessary, are now turning a near-miraculous preventive shot into a big bad boogeyman!
 
Jeni said:
those that are PRIMARILY among the elderly.... That is the population that was always at greatest risk.
Lectured to since the beginning that age doesn't matter ... but if break though cases or death it is "well they were old "

I noticed from the start of this pandemic .... we were told we must shut everything down schools included so no one brings this home to grandma etc.
Media has gone out of its way to get stories of younger and healthier folks dying so no one thinks it is only going to effect the elderly or ill
but if vaccinated that line of reasoning goes out the window
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there is currently a spike among those who are unvaccinated regardless of age. where has the media gone out of it's way to find younger people who are vaccinated that are sick or dying.? the unvaccinated are sick or dying .older people are more vulnerable..it makes sense not to get sick so you don't affect older members of you're family .your logic doesn't make sense.
 
Sunny said:
I agree with all the people who have said if it takes multiple booster shots, so be it. What's the big deal about getting a booster, especially one that keeps you from possibly catching a fatal disease? Yes, it's a nuisance, and requires interrupting your very busy life for an hour or two, to go to the nearest pharmacy or medical facility. Most people have no side effects from the booster, or at worst, maybe a slightly sore arm for one day. (I didn't even have that.)

I wonder if a phobia about getting a tiny shot is what's really behind all this nonsense. Or if it's politics. Strange that the same handful of people who originally argued that the disease doesn't exist or isn't that bad, and then argued that the masks are not necessary, are now turning a near-miraculous preventive shot into a big bad boogeyman!
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What's the big deal about your obsession with people who don't want multiple booster shots? Are they shaking your confidence?
Who is stopping you from getting multiple booster shots if you think they're beneficial?
 
Jeni said:
it is about keeping this panic going ... pure and simple
How easy was it for some to surrender to what ever but those damn resisters will not bend the knee.
Heard a good line recently that government is not ruling by the SWORD but by the Syringe

I remember the beginning daily death counts clear comparisons ....... 100 cases = 1 death and maybe 1-5 requiring hospital treatment.
Not that scary so just throw up world total death # which is appalling .......at 5.3 million but out of 7.8 Billion. .68% death rate


Talk about misinformation................... polls show MANY people greatly overestimate the amount hospitalized or dying

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/americans-overestimate-hospitalization-covid-study
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considering our covid unit is full and our ER is full of people waiting for beds i really don't think it's as overestimated as you think.
 
Sunny said:
I agree with all the people who have said if it takes multiple booster shots, so be it. What's the big deal about getting a booster, especially one that keeps you from possibly catching a fatal disease? Yes, it's a nuisance, and requires interrupting your very busy life for an hour or two, to go to the nearest pharmacy or medical facility. Most people have no side effects from the booster, or at worst, maybe a slightly sore arm for one day. (I didn't even have that.)

I wonder if a phobia about getting a tiny shot is what's really behind all this nonsense. Or if it's politics. Strange that the same handful of people who originally argued that the disease doesn't exist or isn't that bad, and then argued that the masks are not necessary, are now turning a near-miraculous preventive shot into a big bad boogeyman!
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the antibody infusions are experimental but they may have saved my fathers life. if faced with the threat of death or the use of an infusion which do you suppose they would choose Sunny? 😁:LOL:
 
I think I can guess. Too bad it takes getting to that extreme before people start using common sense. I just read in the paper that at present, 40% of Americans are still not vaccinated. At that rate, this will go on forever.
 
Sunny said:
I think I can guess. Too bad it takes getting to that extreme before people start using common sense. I just read in the paper that at present, 40% of Americans are still not vaccinated. At that rate, this will go on forever.
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But fully vaccinated people still catch and transmit covid to others so where is the logic in vaccinating everybody? Look at Gibraltar, Ireland, Israel, and Iceland. They are all heavily vaccinated countries but the disease has not been eradicated there.
 
MarciKS said:
the antibody infusions are experimental but they may have saved my fathers life. if faced with the threat of death or the use of an infusion which do you suppose they would choose Sunny? 😁:LOL:
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Monoclonal antibody tech has been approved for years for other therapeutics besides Covid and is incredibly effective.

mRNA tech, on the other hand, has repeatedly failed clinical trials pre-Covid.

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I don't really care about all this "conjecture" about Covid. We got our Moderna shots earlier this year, and yesterday we got the booster. We would rather believe the professionals who study these things, rather than the "hype" on the Internet. We like to lead a life as normal as possible, and Not worry if someone nearby sneezes. We'd rather have a slightly sore arm for a day or two, than have the family preparing for our funeral. If a series of "boosters" is needed in coming months/years, until a cure is found for this virus, we will get them.
 
Don M. said:
I don't really care about all this "conjecture" about Covid. We got our Moderna shots earlier this year, and yesterday we got the booster. We would rather believe the professionals who study these things, rather than the "hype" on the Internet. We like to lead a life as normal as possible, and Not worry if someone nearby sneezes. We'd rather have a slightly sore arm for a day or two, than have the family preparing for our funeral. If a series of "boosters" is needed in coming months/years, until a cure is found for this virus, we will get them.
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You won't have to worry about people sneezing near you if you just do what I do:
When people get too close, I tilt my head back & say, "Ah.....Ah....Ah.....Ah....."
After they spread out & move away, I quietly whisper, "choo."
 
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