Changing Your Diet For the Sake of Your Grandchildren

Debby

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People spend a lot of energy, getting all wound up about how much money the government is spending on this program or that, and often end by pointing to how unfair it is that 'our grandchildren will end up paying for it'. But there are other things that our grandchildren will be paying for and there is (not) surprisingly, less concern about those issues despite the fact that right now, each and every one of us can start paying down that debt.

What I wonder is, why is there so much reluctance to embrace a better way of doing something if it means improving our own health as well as the health of the planet. We spend an awful lot of time talking about our various aches and pains and medical issues on forums like this so how do folks feel about the following study that was recently done by the University of Oxford?

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A global switch to diets that rely less on meat and more on fruit and vegetables could save up to 8 million lives by 2050, reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two thirds, and lead to healthcare-related savings. It could also avoid climate-related damages of $1.5 trillion (US), Oxford Martin School researchers have found........They found that adopting diets in line with global dietary guidelines could avoid 5.1 million deaths per year by 2050. Even greater benefits could come from vegetarian diets (avoiding 7.3 million deaths) and vegan diets (avoiding 8.1 million deaths). Approximately half of the avoided deaths were due to reduction of red meat consumption, with the other half due to a combination of increased fruit and vegetable intake and a reduction in calories, leading to fewer people being overweight or obese.The study projects that by 2050, food-related greenhouse gas emissions could account for half of the emissions the world can afford if global warming is to be limited to less than 2°C. Adopting global dietary guidelines would cut food-related emissions by 29%, vegetarian diets by 63%, and vegan diets by 70%, says the study.
The researchers also modelled the economic benefits of dietary change and found they could save $700-$1,000 billion (US) per year on healthcare, unpaid informal care and lost working days. The economic value that society places on the reduced risk of dying could even be as high as 9-13% of global GDP, or $20-$30 trillion (US). In addition, the researchers found that the economic benefit of reduced greenhouse gas emissions from dietary changes could be as much as $570 billion (US)....'

http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2016-03-22...e-8-million-lives-2050-and-cut-global-warming

What are your thoughts on changing your diet for the sake of future generations and the planet?
 

I'm always suspicious when these reports talk about "Saving x number of lives". What does that mean - x people are not going to die? are they going to live forever? Of course not! Perhaps x people will live a bit longer, but the grim reaper is going to get us all in the end. Let's take the figures. 8 million lives in a global population of 7.4 Billion (2016, so let's call it 8 Billion by 2050).
That's 0.1% over 34 years!

Sounds like headline grabbing sensationalism mixed with a bit of lies, damned lies and statistics. (and perhaps a bit of sponsorship) Perhaps we would be better getting rid of a dependancy on fossil fuels, take up more cycling, walking etc.. and continue to enjoy a good steak. (Aberdeen Angus, of course)

What was the question ? NO, I'm not going to change my diet.
 
No it doesn't mean they are going to live forever. But it does mean that they will live longer, healthier lives free of colon and other digestive cancers as well as breast cancer and obesity and diabetes and the costs to our economies via healthcare costs will be mitigated considerably. There have been other studies that show the extent that a meat inclusive diet causes harm to the planet, be it the water supplies, the oceans, the air and the soil. So it's not like this is the only study ever done.

You talk about our dependency on fossil fuels being a problem and you're right, but did you know that the inclusion of meat is the cause of about 50% of GHG emissions and directly the use of our transport systems plus harvesting millions of acres using heavy equipment is also part of that equation? It is also one of the major causes of deforestation world wide and our overall environment is heavily impacted by that loss even if those forests are in Brazil. The Amazon rainforest is disappearing at an alarming rate (for the sake of grazing and soybean meal production to feed animals). The problem is, that rainforest that originates there affects the weather patterns for the entire planet. Get rid of the forest, we have no rain. Add the lack of fresh rain to the ongoing pollution of the rivers and thence the oceans thru leached animal wastes and fertilizers to grow soy and corn to feed the billions of animals and the oceans die. When the oceans and the forests die, we die. It is as simple as that.

And lies, damned lies and...sponsorship????? It was a study done by Oxford University. Are you suggesting that the University has a vested interest? What, the researchers each have little 'victory gardens' on the side?

Too many people have totally forgotten what the indigenous peoples of the world have known since the dawn of man and that is that we are all linked and connected and what hurts one small part of that 'system' ultimately hurts us all. Although I quit eating meat for an entirely different reason initially, as I researched and educated myself on all the issues, I began to understand what the indigenous cultures know. Personally, I'm real happy to be part of the solution to a mounting problem.
 

More important than "saving lives"...a substantial change in lifestyles and eating/exercise habits would save the nation billions of dollars in health care expenses every year, and help reduce this burgeoning National Debt. Health care costs are the single largest item in the Federal Budget...at 22%. Sitting around drinking beer and eating junk food is not only destroying the health of millions of Seniors...it is also increasing the financial burdens that our grandchildren will be saddled with. The CDC estimates that Obesity is the single largest reason for our soaring health care costs....accounting for over 30% of our health care expenses.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_budget_pie_chart

http://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/overview/index.htm
 
YES, Sponsorship, and note that I suggested "perhaps a bit of sponsorship". Somebody has to pay for research. and a lot of research work in universities is sponsored by various organisations. It's the only way that some people can afford to carry out research.

Debbie, you would appear to be passionately "anti-meat". That is your choice, mine is to eat quality meat, humanely raised.
I think Don M. makes a much better argument when he points the finger at " Sitting around drinking beer and eating junk food".

I'm already quite happy that I have made good lifestyle choices and I'm not going to waste my time trying to justify how I choose to live. Life is full of risks - that's bad enough, but I'm not going to be miserable as well.
 
I'm not entirely convinced how changing my personal diet (which is quite healthy in the first place) impacts future generations, anyway. I could go on a bread and water diet and that doesn't stop the people down the street from eating crap takeout stuff and listening to their arteries harden as they do so.
 
Just personally I feel my daughter in law will promote healthy habits to her son. She is native Thai, so an emphasis on veggies, fruit and grains, fish but minimal red meat and minimal processed sugars. I tip my hat to her. Obviously as he grows he'll learn the "S" word...sugar, candy, sweets. But if she can teach him moderation she done good.
 
But Captain, if eating meat has been shown to have direct harm to the planet and is a direct cause of climate change, how can you be comfortable with the effects of that? I'm just interested to try and understand why people don't think like I do which is that we must do what we can to protect the world for everyone, even the ones not born yet. Mind you, I guess some things are hard to explain aren't they? Anyway, thanks for the responses, appreciate them as always.
 
Yes, Capt. Sponsorship by whom? Vegetable growers around the world?!

Good question.

What about the future beef farmers of the world?

I can see a future of anemic old people who never ate red meat.

And what about the people whose digestive systems can't handle all those fruits and vegetables? Not every food is good for every person.
 
Happy Easter Debby.. Over the years, particularly the last 10, I have modified my diet considerably. When I was travelling a lot on business and living on expenses, it was all too easy to over-do things. Since taking early retirement, I have started to eat a lot more fruit & veges and more fish and poultry instead of red meat. I am also a lot more active and feel a lot better for it.

I feel that I have found a good lifestyle that balances the risks/benefits pretty well and I don't see the need to change it.
 
Good question.

What about the future beef farmers of the world?

I can see a future of anemic old people who never ate red meat.

And what about the people whose digestive systems can't handle all those fruits and vegetables? Not every food is good for every person.

You don't need red meat in your diet to prevent anemia. The vast majority of people's digestion systems can handle fruit and vegetables. Not eating red meat does not mean you only eat fruit and veg. I went for more than 20 years without eating red meat and I was never anemic.


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  • Beans and legumes, such as lentils and green peas are high in iron.[SUP][13][/SUP]
  • Leafy greens, such as spinach, kale, and collard greens contain high amounts of iron
 
I have gone back to meat but don't really eat it that often. I don't eat red meat often. During 3 months in Thailand I had one steak and one burger.
 
But Captain, if eating meat has been shown to have direct harm to the planet and is a direct cause of climate change, how can you be comfortable with the effects of that? I'm just interested to try and understand why people don't think like I do which is that we must do what we can to protect the world for everyone, even the ones not born yet. Mind you, I guess some things are hard to explain aren't they? Anyway, thanks for the responses, appreciate them as always.

Debby,stop trying to personally take peoples meat away,lol

I personally are eating better and taking care of myself for me and mostly my kids.


I eat red meat but sporadically.
 
Good question.

What about the future beef farmers of the world?

I can see a future of anemic old people who never ate red meat.

And what about the people whose digestive systems can't handle all those fruits and vegetables? Not every food is good for every person.

Admittedly there are a few folks who have trouble with the digestion of some plant foods, but overall, not that many and perhaps they could be the exception rather than the rule, considering what is at stake.

As for anemic old people, well, here are a few 'old-er' vegans for you to consider:


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http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/24/vegan...diet-has-made-him-stronger-than-ever-5351168/

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72 year old vegan, Annette Larkins http://www.miaminewtimes.com/restau...larkins-leads-us-to-fountain-of-youth-6569585

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74 year old vegan, Mimi Kirk http://nourishmentnow.com/sexy-raw-and-74-interview-with-the-beautiful-mimi-kirk/


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61 year old vegan, Jim Morris http://www.greatveganathletes.com/jim-morris-vegan-bodybuilder

Jim Morris actually has a most interesting story. I'd have to watch the video again, but in a nutshell (if memory serves :p) he won Mr. America plus a couple other competitions in a field of all white men and as well as being black, he was also openly gay and the magazine that normally puts the winners photo on the cover, never included his photo on that cover nor in the body of the article about the competitors and their respective placements. He was offended by that deliberate exclusion for years. And he died at the age of 80 just the way most of us want to go, in his sleep and to the surprise of everyone because he was active in the gym, pumping iron to the end. So you see, being vegan doesn't equal weak and wimpy.

That's my goal, to stay in such good shape and so 'healthy' that people are amazed when they hear that I died and their comments are, "I'm so surprised...she looked so good".
 
Your cravings must have been overwhelming. Hope that you are satisfying them now...

I didn't eat red meat for 20 years and didn't miss it. I only started eating it again after I'd gone back to poultry etc. Actually I felt my healthiest when I was vegan.
 
Don't know that what I eat has anything to do with my grandkids as they are all adults
and I certainly don't question what they eat. I have reached the age where I eat for
enjoyment, my diet has always been fairly healthy, so if I indulge occasionally and have
to pay for it, I only have myself to blame.
 
You're missing the point of the article.

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A global switch to diets that rely less on meat and more on fruit and vegetables could save up to 8 million lives by 2050, reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two thirds, and lead to healthcare-related savings. etc etc....'

It's about the future health of the earth which will affect the quality of life for our grandchildren and their children.


 
Four different scenarios were modelled, and it was only in the case of going to a Vegan lifestyle that realised the figue of 8 million lives 'Saved'. This actually would appear to mean a longer, possibly healthier life for a small proportion of the population . However something is going to get us in the end.
It was also suggested that this life would be free of various cancers, but high red-meat consumption is only one factor that may increase the risk (according to the NHS).
Perhaps the most reasonable and more importantly, achievable, scenario is that by adhering to the current recommended diet with regards to meat / fruit & veg, around 5 million lives could be 'saved'. although the drop in greenhouse gasses would be less.

I haven't read the full report, so I'm not sure if there is any suggestion that poultry and fish consumption should be reduced.

Ironic isn't it, not long ago, the Atkins diet was all the rage!
 


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