China faces 'thermonuclear' wave of Covid:

What are you skeptical of, 'Gator?
This death rate is more than 10x greater than our current death rate. I doubt the Chinese are more likely to die than we are.

The Chinese death rate would be equivalent to about 120 per 100,000 cases. Our current death rates are below 10 per 100,000 (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination). Our reported death rates were in the higher range at the beginning of the pandemic, but have declined substantially.
 

This death rate is more than 10x greater than our current death rate. I doubt the Chinese are more likely to die than we are.

The Chinese death rate would be equivalent to about 120 per 100,000 cases. Our current death rates are below 10 per 100,000 (https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination). Our reported death rates were in the higher range at the beginning of the pandemic, but have declined substantially.
Maybe because their hospitals are already over-crowded and other medical services are subpar?

I saw where a lot of sick people are being treated with an IV drip only in hospital parking lots and others sent to various quarantine facilities where medical staff is extremely limited.
 
I read that the Chinese vaccine has a lower effectiveness rate than the RNA types of vaccines. I wonder if they would be willing to buy vaccines from the West, though maybe we would give them for free, aside from the humanitarian aspect, we really need products that they make.
 
I read that the Chinese vaccine has a lower effectiveness rate than the RNA types of vaccines. I wonder if they would be willing to buy vaccines from the West, though maybe we would give them for free, aside from the humanitarian aspect, we really need products that they make.
The US offered it to China. They declined. But maybe they'll change their mind, or get it from another country.
 
When in doubt, blame whomever you don't like.
Works every time. :D
Remember - at the beginning of Covid, it was all the fault of Blacks & Hispanics - something to do with their lifestyle.
Later, it was Orthodox Jews' fault - because they congregate in synagogues in large numbers & dance & hug each other.
And Monkeypox? It's those gays.......
 
China has repeatedly refused the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Their own vaccines are far less effective and protection wanes more rapidly. Also, they do even more poorly against the virus mutations, which are now the prevailing infectors.

The lockdowns have prevented herd immunity, since a majority would only get mild symptoms/illness and spread could be controlled by spacing distances and mask wearing. Each COVID mutation has become progressively more infectious as the virus adapts. mRNA vaccines offer better protection against future mutations than the traditional killed-virus vaccines offer.

"... In mid-2021, the World Health Organization (WHO) approved the 2 Chinese vaccines for emergency use, on the basis of limited clinical-trial data suggesting that CoronaVac was 51% and Sinopharm 79% effective at preventing symptomatic disease. This was on a par with the 63% efficacy reported for the University of Oxford–AstraZeneca’s viral-vector vaccine at the time of its WHO listing, but lower than the 90% and higher efficacies of the mRNA vaccines developed by Pfizer–BioNTech and Moderna.

Both the Chinese vaccines are inactivated vaccines, which use killed SARS-CoV-2 virus. Researchers say this type of vaccine seems to be less potent because it triggers an immune response against many viral proteins. By contrast, mRNA and viral-vector vaccines target the response to the spike protein, which is what the virus uses to enter human cells.

“You don’t choose the target with inactivated vaccines, you just throw in all these different antigens,” explains Jorge Kalil, a physician and immunologist at the University of São Paulo Medical School, Brazil.

About 2.4 billion doses of the Chinese vaccines have been administered in China, but almost 1 billion doses have gone to 110 other countries (see 'Biggest takers for China's vaccines'). Reports earlier this year of COVID-19 surges in several countries that had vaccinated many people with these vaccines — such as the Seychelles and Indonesia — prompted questions about the protection they offered.

Numerous studies have now been undertaken in nations including Brazil, Chile and Thailand, to understand waning immunity and protection in different groups. "
- nature.com: China’s COVID vaccines have been crucial — now immunity is waning

The article goes on to say even second and third booster shots of China's CoronaVac offer poor protection for the elderly aged 80+, who make up the majority of deaths and ICU hospitalizations. China has the fastest-aging population in the world and a poor healthcare safety net.
 
Except they were. And it was severe.

If I remember right, only 3 or 4 cases were diagnosed, including a scientist and an assistant who worked at a virology lab, and bam! They started welding people's doors shut....or politely recommended staying inside, depending on what source you trust.
Oh wow yikes! I didn't know that. They should have let it run it's course when the rest of the world was dealing with it. They are going to start a new crazy variant that's going to evade the vaccines we now have, and spread it through the world. 😱 Lord help us!
 
China did this to themselves. Created it in a lab, did nothing to contain it, spread it to the rest of the world, then finally started locking people in their own apartments, and thus ruined their immune systems. Karma’s a b**ch.
 
China did this to themselves. Created it in a lab, did nothing to contain it, spread it to the rest of the world, then finally started locking people in their own apartments, and thus ruined their immune systems. Karma’s a b**ch.
I find it insane that they kept those people locked down for 3 years! Those people just suffered for nothing because they still have to go through the COVID rush with hospitals filling up and people dying. Lockdown just put off the inevitable. And might have made things worse for all of us.
 
Virus cause is perhaps Results of (Fauchi organization funded) "Gain-of-Function" R&D at Chinese Wuhan Virology institute, possibly for a military bio weapon. Poor lab isolation practice in ChiCom labs may have started this mess. Even Dr Fauchi ( consistently wrong in every public health crisis back to AIDS 1980s) finally admitted his gain of functions funds to China Wuhan, and that the masks, lockdowns, and so called vaccinations were never effective.

The sudden about face by Mr Xi on zero covid-19 to herd immunity, proves that central control by communists will always fail.

I Suggest that US,EU and UK ban ALL travel from Communist China ( especially group tourists) until the Virus is gone, perhaps for a few years.

But of course this logic conflicts with the US and EU administrations philosophy and ultra left politics. Thus I Expect a huge new Covid variant infection wave globally in 2023, due to the policies of Mr Xi, and the lack of vigilance by our Western government.

Can we send an invoice for the Wests losses to Mr Xi and Dr Fauchi? I estimate 20..80 trillions lost. Accepting Mastercard or Visa....

Bon Santé, keep safe

Jon
 
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Virus cause is perhaps Results of (Fauchi organization funded) "Gain-of-Function" R&D at Chinese Wuhan Virology institute, possibly for a military bio weapon. Poor lab isolation practice in ChiCom labs may have started this mess.

The sudden about face by Mr Xi on zero covid-19 to herd immunity, proves that central control by communists will always fail.

I Suggest that US,EU and UK ban ALL travel from Communist China ( especially group tourists) until the Virus is gone, perhaps for a few years.

But of course this logic conflicts with the US and EU administrations philosophy and ultra left politics. Thus I Expect a huge new Covid variant infection wave globally in 2023, due to the policies of Mr Xi, and the lack of vigilance by our Western government.

Bon Santé, keep safe

Jon
Two lab techs tried to warn the world when it first happened, trying to prevent this. Then they both either disappeared or ended up dead. :oops:
 
Interesting update...or maybe scary update...on the 27th, China's gov't did a 180 on travel restrictions. Chinese citizens are now free to travel abroad. Within 30 minutes after the CCP made this announcement, online searches for visa applications increased by 850% and the most-searched travel destinations were the US, the UK, Australia, Singapore, and Thailand. They also changed their quarantine policy for incoming visitors; no quarantine for visitors to China, you're free to mingle soon as you arrive. :confused:

Meanwhile, to help with the backlog of corpses, Xi Jinping has approved immediate construction of 3 additional crematoriums in Beijing.
 
like his mentors before him in history, (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot) , Chinese Communist Xi will kill 10s of millions of his own nations population, adding to the Communist murder total of 100..200 M. Just another day at the office, Mr Xi?

Jon
 
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