Citizen reporters go out and do what the media won't! (empty hospitals)

Dana Ashlie, the narrator, is an anti-vaxxer, and conspiracy theorist, with an ax to grind. Gullible is the only word I can think of about people who don't care about the source they are being misled by. Google her name, then say you believe a word she says.

Didn't need to watch more than a minute to find that out.
 
Pepper said:
Dana Ashlie, the narrator, is an anti-vaxxer, and conspiracy theorist, with an ax to grind. Gullible is the only word I can think of about people who don't care about the source they are being misled by. Google her name, then say you believe a word she says.

Didn't need to watch more than a minute to find that out.
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Thanks I should have googled her. Guess I was hopeful it wasn't really as bad as the media is reporting. 😢😢😢
 
Do you mean to tell me that the nations all over the world are wrong and it is a conspiracy that all the governments in the world are in on it. Willing to spend trillions of dollars and tank the economy! Amazing what some people will believe if they saw it on the internet.

Elvis is alive, moon landing didn't happen, mafia shot JFK, aliens are among us, sex is better after 80, etc.
 
I choose not to watch. There are a lot of videos that are taken by people I don't know and never heard of. No idea what their agenda is but you see a lot of it on FB. And, IMO, there is no 'fake' news channels. I listen to all the major networks and hear their interpretation of what I hear Trump or Fauci or Cuomo or whoever says and then make my own decision as to who or what to believe.
 
Not hard to question empty hospitals in some areas especially when it's known now that the 2 hospital ships capable of handling almost 2000 patient probably don't even have 200 on them.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/coro...ere-sent-to-the-usns-mercy-comfort-this-week/

Alot of butt covering so they have to over plan and over prepare although I'm hearing reports all these make shift hospitals don't have staff yet. Beds and equipment are one thing but care givers are another.
 
todalake said:
Do you mean to tell me that the nations all over the world are wrong and it is a conspiracy that all the governments in the world are in on it. Willing to spend trillions of dollars and tank the economy! Amazing what some people will believe if they saw it on the internet.

Elvis is alive, moon landing didn't happen, mafia shot JFK, aliens are among us, sex is better after 80, etc.
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One that really burns me is people who refuse to believe the holocaust ever happened. I've known people who lived in Holland who were directly affected by it and whose families were torn apart. The wife of a couple I knew was terrified when we were there one evening. A dark color car was parked on the street and she closed the heavy curtains, turned all but one lamp out and kept peeping to see if the car was still there. We were 3 floors up and the car was parked just beyond the light from the street light. She was almost in a panic state, afraid they were going to take her and her husband.
 
todalake said:
Do you mean to tell me that the nations all over the world are wrong and it is a conspiracy that all the governments in the world are in on it. Willing to spend trillions of dollars and tank the economy! Amazing what some people will believe if they saw it on the internet.

Elvis is alive, moon landing didn't happen, mafia shot JFK, aliens are among us, sex is better after 80, etc.
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It's absolutely beyond absurd to believe that this virus thing isn't real, or isn't as bad as being reported by the major news media. If anything, it's probably worse, since we don't really have a handle on how many people are infected because there are not enough tests available.
 
I didn't watch the video but I'm happy that we may have overprepared to the point that we have surplus hospital beds and ventilators lined up waiting to be used.

I believe that the virus is real and the numbers of dead people are real.

We have nothing to lose by taking this virus seriously and everything to lose if we don't.

Stay safe, do what you can to blunt the curve and starve the virus.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I didn't watch the video but I'm happy that we may have overprepared to the point that we have surplus hospital beds and ventilators lined up waiting to be used.

I believe that the virus is real and the numbers of dead people are real.

We have nothing to lose by taking this virus seriously and everything to lose if we don't.

Stay safe, do what you can to blunt the curve and starve the virus.
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I didn't watch the video either, just read the comments of those who did... ... @Aunt Bea , I'm not sure whether you're being factual or sarcastic about the surplus of beds and ventilators waiting to be used, simply because everything I've read about the USA says the opposite ...and certainly it's not the case in the UK, we are desperately short of both , as well as medical staff.. :(
 
hollydolly said:
I didn't watch the video either, just read the comments of those who did... ... @Aunt Bea , I'm not sure whether you're being factual or sarcastic about the surplus of beds and ventilators waiting to be used, simply because everything I've read about the USA says the opposite ...and certainly it's not the case in the UK, we are desperately short of both , as well as medical staff.. :(
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I was being serious.

IMO empty hospital beds and unused equipment means that we don't have enough sick and injured people that need hospitalization or lifesaving care.

To me, that is a very good thing.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I was being serious.

IMO empty hospital beds and unused equipment means that we don't have enough sick and injured people that need hospitalization or lifesaving care.

To me, that is a very good thing.
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so you have empty beds, and unused ventilators and yet in the last 48 hours (at least) 3,000 people have died from Covid-19... and those infected are likely to be 10 times higher than that, in the USA yet there are spare beds and ventilators?... wow... really? that's wonderful ... I wonder then if they could transport those unused medical equipment to the uk.. we're desperate.. :(
 
hollydolly said:
so you have empty beds, and unused ventilators and yet in the last 48 hours (at least) 3,000 people have died from Covid-19... and those infected are likely to be 10 times higher than that, in the USA yet there are spare beds and ventilators?... wow... really? that's wonderful ... I wonder then if they could transport those unused medical equipment to the uk.. we're desperate.. :(
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Now I'm wondering who is being sarcastic. :(

I'm not saying that things won't get worse or are not serious but I don't understand why citizen reporters are upset because we currently have excess capacity in some areas.
 
I'm not being sarcastic AB...I'm taking you at your word that there's a huge excess of beds and ventilators, in the USA, and wondering why they wouldn't think to share them with countries like the UK or Italy or Spain who have very few...
 
hollydolly said:
I'm not being sarcastic AB...I'm taking you at your word that there's a huge excess of beds and ventilators, in the USA, and wondering why they wouldn't think to share them with countries like the UK or Italy or Spain who have very few...
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I don't recall saying that or anything even similar to that.

I think that it's time for me to step away from some of the coronavirus threads and keep my comments/opinions to myself.
 
OK... perhaps you didn't say HUGE excess but you did say surplus... which of course in any language means an excess, ... but anyway I'm not going to have a falling out over it.. let's call a truce.. 😐
 
hollydolly said:
I didn't watch the video either, just read the comments of those who did... ... @Aunt Bea , I'm not sure whether you're being factual or sarcastic about the surplus of beds and ventilators waiting to be used, simply because everything I've read about the USA says the opposite ...and certainly it's not the case in the UK, we are desperately short of both , as well as medical staff.. :(
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This is something I'm puzzled about. My husband was in the army, and I know that the government had plans drawn up, ready to put into action in the event of a nuclear attack.
With all the global travel and biological weapons, it was only a matter of time before a major pandemic happened. Yet our government seems to be completely unprepared. Why was there no contingency plan?
 
I did watch the video.

These "self reporters" are taking short videos that the media, the governmet, hospital admins, and more are involved in some sort of massive effort to dramatically overstate this virus's seriousness and the number of people being tested or hospitalized.

However, one cannot project anything more from 30 second clips beyond precisely what is being shown at that moment. A snapshot in time.

An empty ER may very well mean hospital efficiency at immediately dispatching potential patients into isolation, testing, and beds.
Empty testing facilities may mean the video is being shot outside of the hours when tests are being conducted (notice there were no hospital personnel in those tents at the time the videos were shot).
A 30 second clip of a refrigerated morgue truck with no bodies being loaded into it merely means no bodies were being loaded into during those 30 seconds.

I cannot imagine virtually every government on this planet shutting down their economies to perpetuate an exaggerated risk. Nor can I imagine that the front line doctors, nurses, EMTs, etc., would add to the conspiracy. Quite the opposite.

Like most of you, I know people in the medical field - their complaints are that the public isn't taking this seriously enough. Not one has told me that this is an exaggeration. Not one.
 
Suzy623 said:
I choose not to watch. There are a lot of videos that are taken by people I don't know and never heard of. No idea what their agenda is but you see a lot of it on FB. And, IMO, there is no 'fake' news channels. I listen to all the major networks and hear their interpretation of what I hear Trump or Fauci or Cuomo or whoever says and then make my own decision as to who or what to believe.
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It is the only way to get a little bit closer to the truth. I also surf to foreign news sites like Al Jazeera (English) - they often give a much different perspective on the U.S. than our local news.
 
Empty said:
It is the only way to get a little bit closer to the truth. I also surf to foreign news sites like Al Jazeera (English) - they often give a much different perspective on the U.S. than our local news.
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I have family in Holland who tell me that the US is shipping ventilators, masks, shields to Holland. And our Federal stockpile hasn't provided for our emergency needs? Oh, wait. They sent 5,000 masks to Alabama, all with the expiration date of over 10 years ago. And all dry rotted. That doesn't make much sense to me. Holland is a small country and also a neutral country. They don't manufacture any PPE as far as I know so importing is the only way they can get them. So mind bending. How do we know who or what to believe anymore?
 
hollydolly said:
so you have empty beds, and unused ventilators and yet in the last 48 hours (at least) 3,000 people have died from Covid-19... and those infected are likely to be 10 times higher than that, in the USA yet there are spare beds and ventilators?... wow... really? that's wonderful ... I wonder then if they could transport those unused medical equipment to the uk.. we're desperate.. :(
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People who are put on a ventilator only have a 40% chance of surviving. And yes, some hospitals in some areas aren't full,YET. The US is a big country and the virus is hitting different areas at different times.
 

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