Construction begins on new border wall

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Last Friday, just a fews miles from my residence, construction began on the new border wall. Local news said that it will be 30 feet tall and be topped with a solid metal "anti-climbing" plate. No photos yet available.

Simultaneously, work began in the Calexico area.

Whether we will ever live to see the entire 1,933 miles of border protected by a wall is, however, doubtful.

There are places, right here in San Diego County, where a child can easily just step over the "wall". In those places, the wall is a bad joke. I've seen better cattle fences. Some places have no wall at all.

Mexico on the left, America on the right.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess cheap Mexican labor won't be used to build this section.

More limb would be to guess the cartels are already figuring out a way to get over or under the wall.

As a deterrent the idea is good, the real positive is reducing the influx of illegals will create a lot of jobs here.
 
Traveler said:
Last Friday, just a fews miles from my residence, construction began on the new border wall. Local news said that it will be 30 feet tall and be topped with a solid metal "anti-climbing" plate. No photos yet available.

Simultaneously, work began in the Calexico area.

Whether we will ever live to see the entire 1,933 miles of border protected by a wall is, however, doubtful.

There are places, right here in San Diego County, where a child can easily just step over the "wall". In those places, the wall is a bad joke. I've seen better cattle fences. Some places have no wall at all.

Mexico on the left, America on the right.
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In the background, is that a handrail for the steps/bank coming up from the river ?

A good start would be to remove that....[if that's what it is]?
 

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The border wall is smoke and mirrors to make you believe
the government is doing something about illegal immigration.

If the government really wanted illegal aliens out of the county,
there are modern efficient ways other than building a physical wall.
Or the government could enact these more modern efficient ways
to stop illegals in addition to building a physical wall.

The government could stop ALL aid to illegals. For example, it's federal
law that all states must educate illegal children... so US citizens like me
must pay high state school taxes to do that. Since most of the illegals
are here for economic reasons, the government could make it a crime
to hire illegals and put a draconian tax on money being sent back to
their relatives in their countries of origin. Another great idea, stop aid
to the illegal aliens' countries of origin... or at least reduce that aid to
reimburse taxpayer money spent on the time, trouble and man-power
to send those illegals back to their countries of origin.

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Manatee said:
Prosecute any employer that fails to use E-Verify.
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Good idea, but the prosecution has to end with serious jail time. Not the foolishness of fines that rarely total the amount spent on a wedding for most of these wealthy business owners. No plea bargains, just hard time in a federal penitentiary and make the penalties well known to all who may be tempted.

Some of the people who now cry the loudest (about immigration) are children and grand children of immigrants who came here for the same reason - -to escape tyranny and/or make what, to them, was a better life financially and otherwise. And to cut through the BS, most of them don't want immigrants -period -illegal or legal.
 
Airspace is monitored. Drones are being used. Tunneling is also monitored. There are ground devices that can even detect when dirt has been disturbed.

There are only so many border patrol though, so a wall will help cut down on the crazy amount of illegal entry.
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DaveA said:
Some of the people who now cry the loudest (about immigration) are children and grand children of immigrants...
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You found me out... my surname forefather arrived here in the 1600s from Holland and helped to build New Amsterdam.
Actually, all of my forefathers arrived here before the USA existed. Maybe we should give America back to the Indians,
but their ancestors were immigrants too.

The bottom-line... no country can take in all the world's immigrants. Either the USA has a border or not. It appears to be not.

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Any country that can not control it's own borders, does not deserve to be a nation.

No matter what some people say, the wall will help. Someone mentioned airplanes in relationship to illegal immigrants. Wow ! Talk about drawing attention --- fast. Any plane crossing the border illegally will draw heat in a BIG hurry.

Just to mention it, illegal immigrants comprise people from scores of nations: Russians, Chinese, Africans from a score of countries, Indians, every single Central American nation, many South American nations etc.
 
"Some of the people who now cry the loudest (about immigration) are children and grand children of immigrants who came here for the same reason - -to escape tyranny and/or make what, to them, was a better life financially and otherwise. And to cut through the BS, most of them don't want immigrants -period -illegal or legal."

We're all immigrants ....however many generations removed we may be. And I am for immigration for sure.....LEGAL immigration....and LEGAL only. Either we support the laws of our land....beginning with the first one ? [regarding immigration] or we do not ?

A wall might not be the absolute answer ?....but it's a good place to start.
 
Until recent years immigration was mostly full legal. With some flaws after they arrived. They would often move and never tell anyone. They were legal immigrants but they still forgot to continue getting permission to stay.

We do need a better wall to end so much crime. Coming over without permission is a crime so they often enter the US as criminal and now the complaint is that the US is acting cruelly by calling them criminals. What else should we do. Permission is granted to most that do ask. Get the criminals to the back of the line and let us try to get those that do ask permission to enter first. Then try to consider those that broke the laws first, if any openings still remain.
 
A very interesting point but please tell me how would you stop them coming by sea or air. Mine the seas and have fighter planes to shoot down suspicious planes? Illegal immigration will never be stopped no matter how high or long a wall. These illegals will find a way around any obstacle. Look at the risks they take to get into this country. In the back of refrigerated lorries, Hanging on to the chassis of vehicles, locked in the boots of cars and even 'folded' up in suit cases. If they are desperate enough they will get through.
 
justfred said:
A very interesting point but please tell me how would you stop them coming by sea or air. Mine the seas and have fighter planes to shoot down suspicious planes? Illegal immigration will never be stopped no matter how high or long a wall. These illegals will find a way around any obstacle. Look at the risks they take to get into this country. In the back of refrigerated lorries, Hanging on to the chassis of vehicles, locked in the boots of cars and even 'folded' up in suit cases. If they are desperate enough they will get through.
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I agree and the immigrants have the advantage of changing the method of entry instantly at no cost while we spend billions on a wall.

A wall that will now cost 25% more due to recent tariffs on steel.

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Well, something needs, actually, HAS to be done, and it's a start. Looks as if the only immigration that is complained about is from our southern borders. Guess that means that everyone else who comes here from other countries, become legal. Wonder why they do, but so many from Mexico don't, but still want to live here?
 
For those of you who think uncontrolled immigration is just fine, best check out the Nordic states of Sweden, Finland, and especially Denmark. Those countries have pretty much tightened up on their immigration situation. Not only made it harder for them to come in to their country but find no problem in just packing them up and sending them back home.

If a person is allowed, Denmark, they have to wait for four years before they can ask for a relative can be asked to arrive. They must go to school and learn about Denmark's culture, laws, ways of life, respect for Denmark's ways and religions, and learn to respect their chosen new country as if it was their own.

They can no longer just show up and claim hardship where they came from and expect housing and food and medical handouts. Those countries are very much into socialism and are tougher on the immigrants than the US is, or plans to be.
 
KingsX said:
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The border wall is smoke and mirrors to make you believe
the government is doing something about illegal immigration.

If the government really wanted illegal aliens out of the county,
there are modern efficient ways other than building a physical wall.
Or the government could enact these more modern efficient ways
to stop illegals in addition to building a physical wall.

The government could stop ALL aid to illegals. For example, it's federal
law that all states must educate illegal children... so US citizens like me
must pay high state school taxes to do that. Since most of the illegals
are here for economic reasons, the government could make it a crime
to hire illegals and put a draconian tax on money being sent back to
their relatives in their countries of origin. Another great idea, stop aid
to the illegal aliens' countries of origin... or at least reduce that aid to
reimburse taxpayer money spent on the time, trouble and man-power
to send those illegals back to their countries of origin.

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It already IS a crime to hire illegal aliens, BTW. It's just that it is not enforced with much enthusiasm.
 
"Until recent years immigration was mostly full legal."

Not true. There were 8,600,000 unauthorized immigrants living in the US in the year 2000, and another 1,600,000 illegal immigrants apprehended at our Southwest Border that very same year according to two sources!
 
TonyK said:
"Until recent years immigration was mostly full legal."

Not true. There were 8,600,000 unauthorized immigrants living in the US in the year 2000, and another 1,600,000 illegal immigrants apprehended at our Southwest Border that very same year according to two sources!
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You have to go further back than the year 2,000. Try closer to the years of 1950 or 1960 when we had no fences and no need for one. We had the legal way of moving here and doing work on the farms. It was known as the Bracero program. At the end of the authorized days the immigrants from the south would then go home.

Most of today's immigrants are not from Mexico. They come from Mexico, Central America, and South America. Some would be from Europe, Orient, Africa, or where ever, and just join in with the mobs that have attacked our borders. Why in the South West and not the Canada border or our south eastern borders? Canada just does not have much patience with mobs building up for border crossings. The South West is mostly desert and sparsely populated. Plenty of areas where they can get across and then disperse into the more northern states or away from the borders. The South east is not boarders of other countries and the US. The Coast Guard is doing a fine job of stopping and diverting boats with people on them heading for the US with out permission.

The US borders are many more miles long than most countries are. China had many miles of border and they built a wall. The US needs a wall to stop the criminal action of entering without permission and then camping and expecting welfare to save them. Those folks need permission to appear and jobs to help them to be productive rather than welfare takers.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Well, something needs, actually, HAS to be done, and it's a start. Looks as if the only immigration that is complained about is from our southern borders. Guess that means that everyone else who comes here from other countries, become legal. Wonder why they do, but so many from Mexico don't, but still want to live here?
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You don't have to guess why... go visit south Texas or south California and you can see why.
Conquest by a demographic army may be slow but it's permanent.

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BobF: Your opening sentence implies a short time ago the way I understand it. But the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was passed to address the growing illegal immigration population between 3,000,000 and 5,000,000. That's a lot of illegals.

This problem has been around for decades. Not just in "recent" times. Or due to recent administrations.
 

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