Cosby Trial Deadlocked

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Cosby trial deadlocked. What think ye?

My husband thinks prison is too good for him. I'm just sitting back and seeing what happens next.
 

I haven't followed the trial so I don't know anything about the evidence, but I heard someone on TV read a statement said to be written by that supermodel Janice Dickinson- - in fact I just found the video of her talking about it:

http://www.etonline.com/news/154076_janice_dickinson_details_alleged_bill_cosby_sexual_assault/ The pill she mentioned was supposedly for menstruation cramps.

Reading further down in the article I don't believe her. However, the others may well be telling the truth.
 

I noticed other threads on this topic, refrained from commenting, and hope commenting here doesn't result in getting figuratively jumped & spit on, but am I the only person who's considered the possibility that this guy might be innocent?
If one person had accused him, or maybe even two people, but all of those women accusing him? I'm tempted to believe they look at a rich-and-famous superstar in terms of how they might benefit from a guilty verdict.
Obviously if he's guilty he should pay the consequences, but the more women that jumped on the bandwagon the less guilty he looks.
 
IMO Bill Cosby is guilty of many things.

I also believe that in most, if not all, cases the women involved were hoping an association with Bill Cosby would result in personal gain for them.

IMO a woman that is trying to further her career by hanging out with a married man, popping pills that were not prescribed for her and having a few glasses of wine are women making bad choices, a series of bad choices won't produce a good result.

The whole thing is very sad, maybe rehashing it over and over will help a few people make better choices.
 
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I think many of these women were trying to use Cosby to further their careers, help with a deal etc. But sex without consent is rape. Then again with no physical evidence it's he said-she said in many of those cases let alone this one.

The victim in this case continued to interact with Cosby after the incident.

http://www.nydailynews.com/newswire...ite-accuser-inconsistencies-article-1.3225174

One must wonder why and it wouldn't be a leap to think she was seeking a favor. Nothing wrong with that but it was probably one of the factors that hung this jury.

I also heard there were 3 charges and the jury couldn't even come to consensus on just one.
 
In my mind any woman who goes into a room with a celebrity,has drinks is either an idiot or is looking for sex. Groupies abound and are a way of life for
celebrities. Sorry ladies,but a man on the road providing entertainment for millions when inviting a strange girl to his room or tour bus for drinks, is not interested in your brilliant mind or looking for sparkling conversation. If you think otherwise you are too naïve to leave your home. If they had come out and registered a complaint with in hours or even a day later fine. Years after the fact they deserve no consideration.
 
Many of these women were very young and likely did not come forward because they were afraid of not being believed.
Celebrity status played a part in this case in my opinion.
Victims are often victimized further by the justice system and that makes women very hesitant to report cases of assault and rape.

I did not see any family members with him as he walked out of court, and he did not seem nearly as frail as when the trial began and he shuffled in looking like he might faint at any moment. It looked like good acting to me.
I believe the women and think he's guilty and should get jail time.
 
Raven said:
Many of these women were very young and likely did not come forward because they were afraid of not being believed.
Celebrity status played a part in this case in my opinion.
Victims are often victimized further by the justice system and that makes women very hesitant to report cases of assault and rape.

I did not see any family members with him as he walked out of court, and he did not seem nearly as frail as when the trial began and he shuffled in looking like he might faint at any moment. It looked like good acting to me.
I believe the women and think he's guilty and should get jail time.
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Qft.
 
Robusta said:
In my mind any woman who goes into a room with a celebrity,has drinks is either an idiot or is looking for sex. Groupies abound and are a way of life for
celebrities. Sorry ladies,but a man on the road providing entertainment for millions when inviting a strange girl to his room or tour bus for drinks, is not interested in your brilliant mind or looking for sparkling conversation. If you think otherwise you are too naïve to leave your home. If they had come out and registered a complaint with in hours or even a day later fine. Years after the fact they deserve no consideration.
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Wow! With respect, this blame the victim approach is one of the reason many women do not come forward. This is not about whether or not these women were naive, this celebrity drugged them for the specific purpose

of sexual assault. He used his resources to fulfill his sick need to be a sexual predator. I have counseled victims of sexual assault for decades, this pattern is familiar, among celebrities and others who have the means

to perpetuate this horror. Naivety should never prevent a victim from receiving the justice they deserve. Lack of consent equals sexual assault, pure and simple!!! No woman "deserves it." As for being lax in reporting the

assault ASAP, often victims are in shock, or too frightened and ashamed to come forward. There should be no
statute of limitations regarding sexual assault. In Canada, less that ten percent of rape trials result in a conviction. Shame. I doubt it is much different in America. Boys will be boys, after all.......
 
Robusta said:
In my mind any woman who goes into a room with a celebrity,has drinks is either an idiot or is looking for sex. Groupies abound and are a way of life for
celebrities. Sorry ladies,but a man on the road providing entertainment for millions when inviting a strange girl to his room or tour bus for drinks, is not interested in your brilliant mind or looking for sparkling conversation. If you think otherwise you are too naïve to leave your home. If they had come out and registered a complaint with in hours or even a day later fine. Years after the fact they deserve no consideration.
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The statute of limitations has run on the accusations of most of the women. Without saying I think Cosby is without guilt, I imagine it would be very hard for any one of us to mount an effective factual defense against an accusation of wrongdoing (which has no forensic evidence) which allegedly took place so long ago. I betcha that's what hung the jury, given the criminal burden of reasonable doubt (and legally they cannot take into consideration the allegations of other women -- each particular case must stand on its own). It's a can of worms to get a conviction on such an old crime, especially where there is no hard evidence, and it is my understanding there is no hard evidence in this case.
 
Some of the jurors do not want to believe that Daddy Bill would do those things. Montgomery County here in PA is a very liberal County. It was a very friendly place for Bill to have his trial.
 
Here's the thing. We have a sexual predator in the WH. Why? Because we choose him over a qualified stateswoman because people carried on about her being a liar and a nasty woman that outta be in jail! Bottom line? Women are liars. Therefore, we shouldn't believe them. Those women probably came on to poor Bill anyway. He was the victim. They asked for it! He's a father figure. America's beloved Dad! Who you gonna trust? All those lying women or dear old dad? Especially on fathers day!

BTW, I put a hung jury in the same category as undecided voters. Really? You have no clue to who is lying or who you'd like to win the election? You simply can't decide? It's just too much for you? I have an idea. Either spit or get off the pot. Do your job or don't take on the job to begin with.

Is anybody really shocked about this verdict? In a country where men, and sadly some women, believe rape is all part of a god's (male god) plan, and that after a sexual attack women's bodies can shut it down if need be?

We sound and look like a bunch of fools to the rest of the world. No wonder the world is pointing and laughing at us. We are a joke!
 
Shalimar, how can we fix this? Is it even fixable? Women aren't taken seriously. Not even by other women. If Hillary would have called The-Liar-In-Chief a nasty man she would have been labeled a man hater, a b!tch, and a witch. Who can forget how insulting that liar was to Hillary. To be fair he insulted just about everybody but I digress...

We're such a backward society when it comes to equality for women. It's more than insulting how some Congressmen and Senators talk down to their equals who happen to be women. Well, maybe the women really aren't equal. Perhaps they're a rung or two above their mean spirited male counterparts. lol.
 
It appears that the private Bill Cosby differed greatly from the public one. One a predator who preyed on vulnerable young women and the other America's hero. The jury can't decide which is the real Bill and the fact that many of the women accepted their victimization in an effort to further their career makes judgment even more difficult. Even if he is never legally punished for his actions, history will remember him as a predator and that is probably greater punishment for a public figure.

Think about O. J. Simpson. In prison he would have probably had hero status but judged 'not guilty' and released, he faced massive public condemnation which would be very hard to bear for one with such a massive ego.
 
Pattypan said:
Shalimar, how can we fix this? Is it even fixable? Women aren't taken seriously. Not even by other women. If Hillary would have called The-Liar-In-Chief a nasty man she would have been labeled a man hater, a b!tch, and a witch. Who can forget how insulting that liar was to Hillary. To be fair he insulted just about everybody but I digress...

We're such a backward society when it comes to equality for women. It's more than insulting how some Congressmen and Senators talk down to their equals who happen to be women. Well, maybe the women really aren't equal. Perhaps they're a rung or two above their mean spirited male counterparts. lol.
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I hear you Pattypan. It is beyond frustrating. I certainly don't have all the answers, but I believe that education is key, both in and out of the home. I raised a feminist son, who is married to a feminist woman. Many millenials male and female believe as he does, particularly those who are educated. Candian pundits prophecy a sea change here in Canada, due to the fact there are

now more women attending university than men. Women are also invading the trades. Lol. Women, and the men who support equality on all fronts, must continue to speak out loudly against sexism/ mysogyny/violence against women, wherever they find it. Slowly, negative stereotypes against women are changing. Our prime minister is an avowed feminist, half his cabinet

are women. Our federal justice minister is an indigenous woman. It is a start. When I first started working as a psychologist, many of the old guard attempted to treat me like a secretary. I stood firm. Now, I am treated as an equal by colleagues, but

still occasionally run into older men/women who think a woman is too emotional/illogical to cope with the rigors of working with veterans suffering from PTSD.
 
Before we badmouth the jurors, remember that they are bound by the instructions of the judge and the formal jury instructions, and also by the burden of proof (in this case, reasonable doubt). In their deliberations they are bound by law NOT to consider anything outside of the particular case in which they were deliberating. They can think that Cosby is guilty as hell of raping women right and left, but if there is not sufficient evidence in the particular case they are deliberating, they are bound to acquit. If all cannot agree, there's a hung jury.

This particular case was quite old (13 years) and had initially been investigated and no real evidence was found. The DA back then said so and did not prosecute. The only "new evidence" (not evidence at all) was that a whole bunch of other women said he had done similar things to them. From what I've read about the initial investigation, it was sloppily handled, but the accuser still did not make a report right away. In sexual assault in particular, the cold hard truth is that if the victim waits to report it, any forensic evidence probably has been washed away and unless there are a bunch of eyewitnesses (unlikely), the chance of conviction is dim.

Under our system, you have to PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that a particular defendant did a particular thing to a particular victim, not that he probably did it to a whole bunch of people and conclude that he probably did it to this victim, too.

I think Cosby is probably guilty of a whole lot of bad and criminal behavior, but that doesn't change the way the system works.
 
Butterfly said:
Quite true, but that's now jurors have to decide stuff.
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In my younger days when some of us would go out for happy hour on Friday evenings I would hear some interesting stories from some of the young honeys I worked with... seems in their eyes there was some status to be gained by what I called "celebrity banging". They would hang out at venues or hotels were visiting professional sports teams were staying. Just saying it isn't always clear what went on or who, if anyone, was a victim in certain situations. The life of a celebrity is so foreign to most of us that we have no clue...
 
Young honeys? @@

Shalimar, I didn't know your were Canadian. The US likes to brag about being the greatest. But, we're not that great. I've taken some flack on other chat rooms for my thoughts and feelings about my country. We are backward in so many ways. Especially when it comes to equality for women. On one side of the street there are people shouting, "America - right or wrong!" I'm on the other side of the street shouting, "America! Let's right Her wrongs." And never the twain shall meet. :(

Your country, as well as many others, are more mature than America. We're still finding our way. At times we're like spoiled two year old children with their fingers stuck in their ears screaming, "I can't hear you!"

Like the guy taking up space in the White House.
 

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