Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK

Looking at England alone, it's an island, so illegal immigrants have to be deported by plane or ship, whereas the US borders two major countries, so the INS can potentially just make illegals walk home.

But also, maybe the UK doesn't offer entrants the same amenities that the US does....you know, cages, sleeping bags, free breakfast and an oral thermometer. Adds up 🤪
 
immigrants can often be very valuable to their hosting country ; they often come with children or produce more thus increasing the parent children ratio figures which provides new growth eventually for employment providers and re-balance the elderly to youth figures - "keeps the country young and healthy? bring new food ideas and cultural celebrations and intermarriages remodel the country as a truly successful multicutural country. Invitations to relatives for holidaying improves the holiday trade figures and more coffers in the tills?? etc etc
 

It seems those days are gone @Alligatorob. I understand some are looking for a better life, but there is a right way & a wrong way to come into another country. If you can't do it legally, then you should go back immediately. No more excuses as to why it can't be done.

It's sad that tax payer money is being used for people who are breaking the law when that could be used for the citizens of that country who is dealing illegals.
 
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immigrants can often be very valuable to their hosting country ; they often come with children or produce more thus increasing the parent children ratio figures which provides new growth eventually for employment providers and re-balance the elderly to youth figures - "keeps the country young and healthy? bring new food ideas and cultural celebrations and intermarriages remodel the country as a truly successful multicutural country. Invitations to relatives for holidaying improves the holiday trade figures and more coffers in the tills?? etc etc
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Ideally, yes. The US immigration system has major problems. Soon as the INS merged with Homeland Security shortly after 9-11, instead of becoming more efficient, immigration became a bureaucratic nightmare.
 
then you need more new bureaucrats [multi- bilingual] to deal with the incomings more efficiently - we can't keep blaming the migrants they just want a better life like the rest of us??
 
Once the world was perhaps more simple - there were the empires ; the great nations ; and then the poorer smaller nations - who in some cases had been abused by the larger nations [in the past] - they have not fared well or developed fast enough - they have grown tired and depressed etc and need help - they want to move away from corruption both high and low forms and so turn to those larger nations who once took advantage of THEM. This planet should not be the all haves and the all havenotes - we need to share more - stop killing each other etc. Otherwise we may destrpy ourselves in the processes?
 
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immigrants can often be very valuable to their hosting country ; they often come with children or produce more thus increasing the parent children ratio figures which provides new growth eventually for employment providers and re-balance the elderly to youth figures - "keeps the country young and healthy? bring new food ideas and cultural celebrations and intermarriages remodel the country as a truly successful multicutural country. Invitations to relatives for holidaying improves the holiday trade figures and more coffers in the tills?? etc etc
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A lot of truth to what you say.

However, the reason I don't like most immigration has nothing to do with the quality of the immigrant people. I believe that in the US we don't need any more people. Our population is too big already and substantial immigration makes that worse.
 
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then you need more new bureaucrats [multi- bilingual] to deal with the incomings more efficiently - we can't keep blaming the migrants they just want a better life like the rest of us??
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Or they could just come in LEGALLY and become citizens like many others do and are welcomed every single year. They're not unwelcome if they do it the way it's been done for decades. Legally. Paperwork and a citizenship test...
 
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Alligatorob said:
A lot of truth to what you say.

However, the reason I don't like most immigration has nothing to do with the quality of the immigrant people. I believe that in the US we don't need any more people. Our population is too big already and substantial immigration makes that worse.
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we don't need any more people HERE either. We're an Island smaller than Oregon.. yet we have close to 70 million people.. and that's not counting those who are here illegally....the illegal immigration has got completely out of control lately..and legal..tbh... ... our infrastructure is on it's knees.. we cannot cope with this immigration..any more.. and with that, I will say no more because we're in the dangerous murky pools of Politics...
 
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current fertility rate of UK is approx 1.56% .any rate below 2.2 % means a declining popn of young people - meaning less to work for the country ; less workers to take care of a growing aging popn - you only have to read about the chinese popn with one child per family rule now considered a disaster./ There is currently a shortage of midwives in uk why - not enough young people available to take up the profession. Decling fertility rates lead to rising aging rates and poorer care facilities - have a look at Italy? - you may not like the color of peoples skin or new language they speak but they are they ones who will take care of your elderly in years to come - look to the needs of the future not the present
 
Of supreme importance is learning how to live in a democracy--what freedom means and how the immigrant must learn & teach their children to cherish and guard it. And learn English for god's sake!
 
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we don't nee any more people HERE either. We're an Island smaller than Oregon.. yet we have close to 70 million people.. and that's not counting those who are here illegally....the illegal immigration has got completely out of control lately..and legal..tbh... ... our infrastructure is on it's knees.. we cannot cope with this immigration..any more.. and with that, I will say no more because we're in the dangerous murky pools of Politics...
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@hollydolly wow... I wasn't aware that the population in England is so high. Geez!!! Are you still thinking of moving elsewhere?
 
Well, yeah, you do need new blood in a nation, especially nations , who are losing native populations. It's impossible to create growth and wealth without demand, and immigrants create huge demand. The more mouths you have to feed the more you need farms. Immigration spurs economic activity. And wanderlust is a human trait, 60% don't live in the town where they were born. Throughout history, some group was moving into another's territory. That's not going to change. Now, it's not the US & Europe that's doing the emigrating.
 
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@hollydolly wow... I wasn't aware that the population in England is so high. Geez!!! Are you still thinking of moving elsewhere?
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yes but not out of the country.. unfortunately.. just too old to start a new life in another country now..and most countries won't accept me.. I'd love t go to Australia or New Zealand but I'd have to have a LOT of money or be of working age and have a skill they require. It sticks in my craw when you see how many illegals are there.. and it's so difficult to get in for normal law abiding people..
 
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we don't nee any more people HERE either. We're an Island smaller than Oregon.. yet we have close to 70 million people.. and that's not counting those who are here illegally....the illegal immigration has got completely out of control lately..and legal..tbh... ... our infrastructure is on it's knees.. we cannot cope with this immigration..any more.. and with that, I will say no more because we're in the dangerous murky pools of Politics...
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I was going to say. The U.K. does seem to have it worse at present than we do here. That's just a fact, and nothing is being done about the problem from all I've seen. That makes it worse for British citizens who are expected to foot the bill.
 
UK has approximately a quarter of a million empty homes within towns and villages atm and approx 6-10 thousand empty villages that could be re-occupied given some effort? there is plenty of space it's just that immigrants want to congregate in cities or large towns?
 
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I was going to say. The U.K. does seem to have it worse at present than we do here. That's just a fact, and nothing is being done about the problem from all I've seen. That makes it worse for British citizens who are expected to foot the bill.
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Honestly Chic, I could write reams in reply to this.. (of course you're right).. but the forum rules prevent me from doing so...
 
UK through the ages when it was an ""empire on which the sun never sets"" used slavery as a means of production of crops etc to make itself a rich nation ; it used these techniques in south africa and the far east and inititally in Oz - now it wants to forget all of that and is now reluctant to take in persons from poorer nations as refugees or new migrants. This of course is happening with other richer nations like Germanyl Holland and other Scandanavians countries. Illegal immigrants has become a growing phenomena ; and has been shown worldwide on TV and internet etc. So that others can see it happening and want to join in. I don't blame the working classes of these countries for these historic events they were brought about by their politicians of the day ; and approved by heads of states and Kings and Queens. That was the order of the day.

But it does seem rather unreasonable to have made vast wealth and fortunes on the back so slavery etc and then not repay the favour?
 
@davey opinions are common perspectives of immigrant advocates and their politicians, a long list of Wallstreet corps and businesses that benefit financially from endless growth and development cheap labor for their global ambitions and expanded retail markets. Especially real estate and their financial corps that push low and unskilled immigrants into scarce housing for our native citizen lowest classes that then are forced to live densely with others while housing in more expensive units that then makes middle working class housing scarce, pushing them into expensive housing that would not otherwise choose to live in, construction corps only are willing to build.

Of course many in our lower classes end up homeless, an enormous driver of hopelessness, drug addictions, and crime. So yeah we in the middle class are prey being skewered while fat cats are down in Palm Springs and Palm Beach playing golf. For we working class folk, excessive low skilled and poor uncontrolled immigration has been a significant net negative causing much societal chaos. Not even mentioned how 8,000,000,000 of we Earth monkeys are destroying our fragile unique blue water planet's environments and precious life. As a native Californian that has experienced decades of this, a long list of societal situations are far worse today due to uncontrolled immigration than when I was younger.
 
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we don't nee any more people HERE either. We're an Island smaller than Oregon.. yet we have close to 70 million people.. and that's not counting those who are here illegally....the illegal immigration has got completely out of control lately..and legal..tbh... ... our infrastructure is on it's knees.. we cannot cope with this immigration..any more.. and with that, I will say no more because we're in the dangerous murky pools of Politics...
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I just watched a BBC documentary "Invasion" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_(British_TV_series) it follows the various peoples who have migrated to Britain and Ireland over the last 10,000 years. Some more peacefully than others. The show makes clear that the current population is descended from a long history of immigration, kind of puts this one in perspective. Just one of many.

The single most impactful were the "Beaker People", about 4,500 years ago (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news...ple-a-new-population-for-ancient-britain.html). Little is known about them, but DNA studies have shown they largely displaced the previous inhabitants, and make up the biggest part of ancestral DNA contribution still seen in today's Brits. Hope that doesn't happen this time.

Doesn't make it any more comfortable, or solve the problem of population density... just kind of an interesting perspective.
 
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