Sure, and the same can be said of the common thief - they too just want a better life. Here in the US we have 10,000 illegals coming into our country every day. And after entering illegally, they continue to work and live outside the law. If they want a better life, they need to obtain it legally, not illegally.
Cost to remove a migrant £63,000 more than keeping in UK
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Alligatorob
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Problem is they believe, and in many cases it's true, that they can do much better going the illegal route. So long as we continue to allow that to be the case the problem will just get worse...
Yes, come legally. My ancestors were immigrants through Ellis Island with the proper papers, heath checks, etc. They didn't swim a river and start their new life here by breaking the law.
There is so much to be said about this but it can't be said on this forum.
We can, but we don't. btw, our common border with Mexico is about 1,800 miles. Just how big is your border with Mexico?
Alligatorob
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Rather than putting more resources into defending borders we need an enforceable system that does not allow people to work here (in the US) illegally. That would more effectively curb illegal immigration, as you say trying to plug an 1,800 mile border is nigh on to impossible.
We have enough military power to do it, and I'd think it wouldn't take too many dead bodies to convince folks to stay away, but you are right in that we will never do that. So we have lost the war.
And my point is that you are in no position to advise. But thanks anyway.
Happy Heart
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Exactly, it will be a surprise to them when they learn Social Security is broke since they didn't pay their fair share, or that no one can get decent medical care because of a bankrupt system.
Come come sir the ozzies and the yanks have been advising each other for years - might have started before WWII even? and didn't the brits kick start the usa and ozzieland too? then we left and let you try it solo?
Problems with illegal immigration have a long history, much of which are deeply entwined with politics, a topic that is unwelcome on this forum.
In order to have a working knowledge of how we arrived where we are now you would either need to have lived it and been very involved and aware of the political process through the years, our relationship with Mexico and S. America, or you would need to do a deep study of the history of the issue.
From following the news I understand that the English also have a serious problem and that there are many similarities and many differences in our situations. I would never think to tell the English what to do or how to solve their problem. I don't think they would welcome my comments if I did. Unsolicited advice is often unwelcome.
I'm not sure I'd call either of those advising but sometimes action speaks louder than words.
All that is past and the 3 countries are valued friends now and that's great. Diplomacy serves us well in our relationships.
In order to have a working knowledge of how we arrived where we are now you would either need to have lived it and been very involved and aware of the political process through the years, our relationship with Mexico and S. America, or you would need to do a deep study of the history of the issue.
From following the news I understand that the English also have a serious problem and that there are many similarities and many differences in our situations. I would never think to tell the English what to do or how to solve their problem. I don't think they would welcome my comments if I did. Unsolicited advice is often unwelcome.
I don't recall reading that anyone left and let us try it solo. I do seem to recall that we dispatched the red coats to mind their own country at one point in our history and I believe that they established a penal colony to solve some problems at one point in theirs.
I'm not sure I'd call either of those advising but sometimes action speaks louder than words.All that is past and the 3 countries are valued friends now and that's great. Diplomacy serves us well in our relationships.
Alligatorob
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There are other more effective ways. No social security card no job, no driver's license, no school enrollment, etc. It would take legal enforcement requiring employers and others to report social security numbers right away. The government would then need to track the numbers making sure they were legit. Cut off the income stream to illegals and you cut the reason they want to be here.
I would couple that with a humane approach to figuring out what to do with illegals already here, some would get amnesty, some would have to go.
It would take compromise on both sides, but I believe it is doable.
Don't see a border war being any more effective than our war on drugs.
OneEyedDiva
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You wrote: "It's sad that tax payer money is being used for people who are breaking the law when that could be used for the citizens of that country who is dealing illegals." I agree
percent! It really irks me that "they" can find tons of money to help not only illegals but other countries but so many Americans who've paid their dues, many of whom are vets, get shortchanged or denied the help they need. And of course there are poor families with children. 
ah at last a bit of sense - we can't keep blaming the poor if they learn crafty ways - the only we to solve the problem is to get craftier?/
The talk is about the people who cross the Channel in little boats,
with nothing except the clothes that they are wearing.
There is no talk about the hundreds, if not Thousands of criminals
that are not deported aft they come out of prison, there are killers,
r*pists, thieves and con men, still walking around, because the "Euro
Court of Human Rights", says that they are entitled to a family life and
it is "Inhuman", to send them back to their own country and leave the
wives and children here.
There is no end to these arguments, until somebody who argues against
the move, is affected by one or more of them doing something bad to
their family or home, the objectors are all mainly Lawyers who get paid
to stop the deportations, I suggest 2 seats for each deportee, which will
include one for his/her solicitor!
Mike.
with nothing except the clothes that they are wearing.
There is no talk about the hundreds, if not Thousands of criminals
that are not deported aft they come out of prison, there are killers,
r*pists, thieves and con men, still walking around, because the "Euro
Court of Human Rights", says that they are entitled to a family life and
it is "Inhuman", to send them back to their own country and leave the
wives and children here.
There is no end to these arguments, until somebody who argues against
the move, is affected by one or more of them doing something bad to
their family or home, the objectors are all mainly Lawyers who get paid
to stop the deportations, I suggest 2 seats for each deportee, which will
include one for his/her solicitor!
Mike.
Nosy Bee-54
Senior Member
Let them in!!!
If Boomers are so against these people coming in south of the border, then your adult children will have to step up when you need nursing home/assistive living care. These people fill a void where there are not enough workers to change soiled adult Pampers/Depends and etc. Most Americans at the lower level don't want to do that dirty work anymore.
If Boomers are so against these people coming in south of the border, then your adult children will have to step up when you need nursing home/assistive living care. These people fill a void where there are not enough workers to change soiled adult Pampers/Depends and etc. Most Americans at the lower level don't want to do that dirty work anymore.
We've been trying these "humane" "more effective ways" for years and things only get worse. Let's face the fact that the US is being invaded by a hostile force, and do what we need to do.
David777
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The high cost of removing illegals is just another monkeywrench illegal immigration advocates have back door set up via their politician and court puppets on both ends of the political spectrum to make deportation more difficult. It DOES NOT necessarily need to be so. Endless infrastructure growth, development, and population growth on our state, nation, and planet is insanity for the sake of societal attitudes from dated low population centuries that are no longer valid.
the figures sez it all - low birth rate countries are losing their working forces to run and service both private co's and govt co's like hoispitals and OPH's - whether they like it or not they will need to import work forces from outside their borders to do the dirty work - just accept the inevitable futures
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Happy Heart
Member
The cost of removing them is one thing, but what is the cost of keeping them?
make them part of the legal popn and start taxing them - that way they work and pay their way also and maybe just maybe produce more offsprings than those more permanent dwellers who [the offsprings] will pay taxes and take employment and enrich the country - whoopee do!!