Covid was manufactured in a laboratory - in America rather than China.

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Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic's origins, said he was 'pretty convinced' the virus was the result of 'US lab biotechnology'.

The claim, made at a global conference last month, has been seized upon by Chinese Government officials who said it warranted a 'thorough investigation'.

Professor Sachs, who was twice named one of Time magazine’s 100 most influential people in the world, admitted 'we don't know for sure'.

'But there's enough evidence that it should be looked into and it's not being investigated — not in the US, not anywhere.'

He added: 'I think for real reasons, they [US officials] don't want to look under the rug too much.'

Critics have previously described Professor Sachs as a President Xi 'propagandist', dismissing China's genocide of Uighurs and publicly calling for US cooperation.
Speaking at a conference on June 15, Professor Sachs said: 'I'll add one provocative statement, it may shock you or not shock you, you may say "I already know that Professor Sachs".

'But I chaired a commission for the lancet for two years on Covid.

'I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology — not out of nature — just to mention after two years of intensive work on this.

'So it's a blunder in my view — of biotech — not an accident or natural spillover.'

A video of the full conference, organised by Spanish globalisation think-tank Gate Centre, was posted on YouTube last month.

But his comments have been clipped and shared on Twitter by at least two Chinese diplomats in recent days.

Hua Chunying, the country's assistant minister of foreign affairs, tweeted: 'Given the heavy human and economic toll taken by the virus, don't we owe it to the millions of lives lost to have a thorough investigation into US labs?'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...RICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html
 

Sometime ago, some months after the start of this pandemic, I watched a documentary about the laboratory where the virus is believed to have 'escaped' from and the Chinese scientists that were involved. They were sworn to secrecy by the top Chinese officials, one of the scientists has since disappeared. Given their past history it is likely more than one has disappeared never to be seen again. This documentary, in my opinion, should have been given worldwide attention.
 
Bellbird said:
Sometime ago, some months after the start of this pandemic, I watched a documentary about the laboratory where the virus is believed to have 'escaped' from and the Chinese scientists that were involved. They were sworn to secrecy by the top Chinese officials, one of the scientists has since disappeared. Given their past history it is likely more than one has disappeared never to be seen again. This documentary, in my opinion, should have been given worldwide attention.
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we've seen a couple like that supposedly from the Wuhan factory.. but I feel if they'd had proof it came from Wuhan, then we would have been shown... but I don't think there IS proof...
 

I am skeptical that we or the Chinese or anyone has the ability to actually engineer a new viable virus of any kind.

I do know a little about bacterial warfare agents. Not much, but a little from having worked to clean up some of those sites. The only ones that work are existing strains that have been "weaponized" meaning made into something that can be physically spread. Not some new disease. And the people working on that tried very hard.

Interesting that an economist, not a microbiologist, was the author.
 
Do you think that "Monkey Pox", came from the same
kind of place?

Most had never heard of it, the suddenly it is in all main
Western Countries, in the same week, probably the same
day.

Very strange.

Mike.
 
Mike said:
Do you think that "Monkey Pox", came from the same
kind of place?

Most had never heard of it, the suddenly it is in all main
Western Countries, in the same week, probably the same
day.

Very strange.

Mike.
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When I read the Miami Herald earlier, there was an article about the problem with Monkey Pox in Florida.
 
hollydolly said:
we've seen a couple like that supposedly from the Wuhan factory.. but I feel if they'd had proof it came from Wuhan, then we would have been shown... but I don't think there IS proof...
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I'm curious if more is known about the person who first went to the emergency room in China, leading to a reaction from the emergency doctor?
 
Oh, Brother! That's a reach beyond the norm. China seems to be untouchable.

Our government is taking 1 million barrels of oil out of our strategic reserves each day. We are selling 5 million barrels to the likes of China and Europe. How does this make sense?
 
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Alligatorob said:
I am skeptical that we or the Chinese or anyone has the ability to actually engineer a new viable virus of any kind.

I do know a little about bacterial warfare agents. Not much, but a little from having worked to clean up some of those sites. The only ones that work are existing strains that have been "weaponized" meaning made into something that can be physically spread. Not some new disease. And the people working on that tried very hard.

Interesting that an economist, not a microbiologist, was the author.
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I remember reading an article explaining gain of function research, and there was a Chinese woman, who worked in a lab environment in China, on television explaining the same.
 
I have heard that scientists have been able to duplicate and re arrange sars cov from bats for many years. The largest study of bat related viruses, including SarsCov is in a big lab in Wahun. There is a cave nearby with thousands of bats where they gather their data and bat pooh samples. It is an international lab funded by many countries including the U S working together for some time. They use a type of fast multiplying cancer cell to replicate Sars and other viruses quickly and they can design and manipulate these viruses to come up with new ones. Scientists love this kind of work. Many doctors speculate that it is verysimple to come up with or to mutate a virus. How did the Monkey Pox mutate from its original strain in Nigeria where it has never mutated before so suddenly that we find this 'new' monkey pox in UK and USA?
 
I'm no economist but I suppose it's possible the COVID virus got its start in a dark corner of my refrigerator. ;) 🤷‍♀️ :giggle:

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Alice November said:
Many doctors speculate that it is very simple to come up with or to mutate a virus.
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It is, but this is far from creating a viable virus that can cause a new disease. Two different things. It takes millions, if not billions of mutations before one turns out to make a new viable virus. The vast majority of mutations don't go anywhere.
Alice November said:
How did the Monkey Pox mutate from its original strain in Nigeria where it has never mutated before so suddenly that we find this 'new' monkey pox in UK and USA?
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Don't know much specifically about monkey pox, but all viable viruses mutate frequently. I am sure monkey pox did in Nigeria is no different. In fact that is likely what happened.

Here is what Live Science says about Covid:

The novel coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19 was first identified at the end of December 2019 in Wuhan, China, where officials suspect the source was somehow linked to a seafood market there. Genetic analyses of the virus suggest it originated in bats. However, because no bats were sold at the seafood market at the outbreak's epicenter, scientists think an as-yet-unidentified animal acted as a go-between in transmitting the coronavirus to humans. This "intermediate" animal could be the pangolin, an endangered, ant-eating mammal, according to a handful of studies of the virus. Even so, the viruses that have been found in samples taken from illegally trafficked pangolins don't match the SARS-CoV-2 virus closely enough to prove the pangolin as this stepping stone, the journal Nature reported.

Truth is a lot of people are working to figure out how the Covid virus came about, but there is not yet a certain answer.

Most human diseases came about as a result of transmission from animals, often involving a new mutation. Covid doesn't seem to be much different, we just haven't figured the details out yet.

ORIGINS OF MAJOR HUMAN INFECTIOUS DISEASES​

 
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hollydolly said:
we've seen a couple like that supposedly from the Wuhan factory.. but I feel if they'd had proof it came from Wuhan, then we would have been shown... but I don't think there IS proof...
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The Chinese Gov't would not allow inspectors into the actual work areas. They were given a cursory tour and taken out for a nice dinner, and that's how it went the whole time they were there. They found nothing, because they were shown nothing pertinent to the investigation.

I don't trust that guy, Jeffrey Sachs. He's bad news. It's believed he was behind getting that Huawei exec, Meng Wanzhou, back to China with no criminal charges after her arrest in Canada. Worse, his $120 million Aid Africa plan resulted in dozens of failed villages that are now in ruins, and 10s of thousands of people with nowhere to go. Basically the same thing he did in Bolivia, Poland, and Russia, where his dream of building sustainable economies left millions of people homeless. That guy's a whack job, imo.
 
Alice November said:
I have heard that scientists have been able to duplicate and re arrange sars cov from bats for many years. The largest study of bat related viruses, including SarsCov is in a big lab in Wahun. There is a cave nearby with thousands of bats where they gather their data and bat pooh samples. It is an international lab funded by many countries including the U S working together for some time. They use a type of fast multiplying cancer cell to replicate Sars and other viruses quickly and they can design and manipulate these viruses to come up with new ones. Scientists love this kind of work. Many doctors speculate that it is verysimple to come up with or to mutate a virus. How did the Monkey Pox mutate from its original strain in Nigeria where it has never mutated before so suddenly that we find this 'new' monkey pox in UK and USA?
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That's partly right. And while virus researchers studied how an animal virus could infect humans, they weren't exactly supposed to be designing animal viruses to make them infectious to humans. But they did. And there is indeed evidence that this was done in Wuhan, and that the new virus they built there escaped the research lab. Two Wuhan researchers were killed by it months before it traveled to the rest of the world.

The really bad part isn't that the Wuhan lab made a bat virus infectious to humans, or even that it *may have* leaked from the lab; the really bad part is that the Chinese gov't would have to have known about it - it's the CCP's lab - and they failed to sound an alarm. You know, something like, "Oops. Our bad. Here, you guys are gonna need these masks."
 
Bellbird said:
Sometime ago, some months after the start of this pandemic, I watched a documentary about the laboratory where the virus is believed to have 'escaped' from and the Chinese scientists that were involved. They were sworn to secrecy by the top Chinese officials, one of the scientists has since disappeared. Given their past history it is likely more than one has disappeared never to be seen again. This documentary, in my opinion, should have been given worldwide attention.
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Bellbird, several years ago, I was made aware of a list of scientists who either mysteriously disappeared or were found dead (some under suspicious circumstances). One has to wonder how many of those scientists were killed to keep them quiet. :unsure: Here's the list. #74 was too close to home since Totowa is in northeast New Jersey. It made our local news and despite hope she'd be found, the outcome was terrible.
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_scientistkilling11.htm
 
Murrmurr said:
The Chinese Gov't would not allow inspectors into the actual work areas. They were given a cursory tour and taken out for a nice dinner, and that's how it went the whole time they were there. They found nothing, because they were shown nothing pertinent to the investigation.
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That was certainly stupid on the part of the Chinese Government, and is the origin of much of the suspicion. Doesn't mean they created the virus.
Murrmurr said:
And while virus researchers studied how an animal virus could infect humans, they weren't exactly supposed to be designing animal viruses to make them infectious to humans. But they did.
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I am skeptical, the US and Russia and others spent billions over the past 50+ years trying to do this with the biological weapons programs. Thousands of brilliant minds working on it with vast resources. But it never happened. All they were able to really do is figure out how to weaponize some existing diseases by engineering transmission.

I do know a little about this, after the fall of the Soviet Union the US was given access to their weapons labs. I went on some of those visits.
 
Murrmurr said:
The Chinese Gov't would not allow inspectors into the actual work areas. They were given a cursory tour and taken out for a nice dinner, and that's how it went the whole time they were there. They found nothing, because they were shown nothing pertinent to the investigation.

I don't trust that guy, Jeffrey Sachs. He's bad news. It's believed he was behind getting that Huawei exec, Meng Wanzhou, back to China with no criminal charges after her arrest in Canada. Worse, his $120 million Aid Africa plan resulted in dozens of failed villages that are now in ruins, and 10s of thousands of people with nowhere to go. Basically the same thing he did in Bolivia, Poland, and Russia, where his dream of building sustainable economies left millions of people homeless. That guy's a whack job, imo.
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Mine too, Murr!
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I worked in communicable diseases for the city and then state covering most of my working life. My colleagues and I were privy to the circumstances of the first known cases of AIDS in this country. I was suspicious about the origins of HIV even back then.
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Honestly, I read a great deal about HIV when a friend died from it. I wanted to learn as much as I could about this disease. I think one thing is certain and that is no one that is fully connected to science has discounted the fact where HIV came from or how it was spread. With all due respect, I am not trying to just say “Nope, you got it wrong,” but with so much evidence being available for all to read, why would I believe any other theory?

This disease didn’t begin in the 1980’s, but in the 1880’s as SIV or Simian Immunodeficiency Disease. When it transferred to humans, it became HIV, according to the CDC. I read a great deal about the virus on the CDC website. There are a lot of pages with some really interesting information on this disease. https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/whatishiv.html
 
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Murrmurr said:
The Chinese Gov't would not allow inspectors into the actual work areas. They were given a cursory tour and taken out for a nice dinner, and that's how it went the whole time they were there. They found nothing, because they were shown nothing pertinent to the investigation.

I don't trust that guy, Jeffrey Sachs. He's bad news. It's believed he was behind getting that Huawei exec, Meng Wanzhou, back to China with no criminal charges after her arrest in Canada. Worse, his $120 million Aid Africa plan resulted in dozens of failed villages that are now in ruins, and 10s of thousands of people with nowhere to go. Basically the same thing he did in Bolivia, Poland, and Russia, where his dream of building sustainable economies left millions of people homeless. That guy's a whack job, imo.
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Wikipedia isn't kind to this guy either ..... a communist supporter all around .. He belongs in China, not the US.

During a January 2021 interview,
despite the interviewer's repeated prompting, Sachs evaded questions about China's repression of Uyghur people by alluding to "huge human rights abuses committed by the U.S."[58] Subsequently, 19 advocacy and rights groups jointly wrote a letter to Columbia University questioning Sachs' comments.[58][59] The letter's signatories wrote that Sachs took the same stance as China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, a digression to the history of U.S. rights violations as a way to avoid discussions of China's mistreatment of Uyghurs. The rights groups went on to say that Sachs "betrayed his institution's mission" by trivializing the perspective of those who were oppressed by the Chinese government.[58][59] Stephan Richter, editor-in-chief at The Globalist, and J.D. Bindenagel, a writer, wrote that Sachs is actively promoting "a classic Communist propaganda ploy".[60]



.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs
 
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