Damn whistle blowing troublemaker, then posts videos too.

SeniorBen said:
True, just like a stopped clock is right twice a day.

My point was that people shouldn't accept what they read on faith alone. It should come from a legitimate source for facts.

The author of that article has promoted the idea that the last presidential election was stolen and illegitimate, for which there is no legitimate basis in fact. So I have no use for anything he has to say, even if some of it might be true.

People who use right wing propaganda as their source for facts are just blind followers and are one of the main reasons for our country's decline.
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See post #59. Wrong Jeffrey Clark.
 

JimBob1952 said:
Just curious, SeniorBen, are MSNBC or CNN "reputable" sources? Because they are staffed with election deniers (regarding the legitimacy of the 2016 election) and people who fall for ridiculous hoaxes (Covington Kids, Jussie Smollett, Bubba Wallace, UVA fraternity rapes, Andrew Cuomo, Hunter Biden laptop a Russian intelligence plant, so many others.)

Remember Michael Avenatti? How about "election denier" Stacey Abrams? These are the people who get (or in Avenatti's case, got) all the airtime they want on left cable. Avenatti appeared on CNN and MSNBC 108 times. Before going to jail.

Who can forget CNN and the "fiery but mostly peaceful" protests in 2020? Baghdad Bob would have been proud.

I don't watch Fox myself, but Fox's left wing counterparts are just as bad in their own ways.
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MSNBC is an opinion media outlet, so no, that is not a legitimate source for facts. CNN, on the other hand, has some good investigative reporters. I have yet to see anything where CNN intentionally got something wrong just to benefit someone politically.

Please provide a link to an article written by a reporter that claimed the 2016 election was illegitimate. I doubt you'll find one. They may have interviewed people with crazy opinions about the election or other things, but that's not the same thing as journalism.

It all comes down to print journalism vs. cable "news" — the latter of which is purely about ratings, so they'll feature individuals like Michael Avenatti and others, but that's not a source for facts; that's opinion. Some people don't seem to know the difference. :rolleyes:
 
JimBob1952 said:
By the way, you're confusing Jeffrey Clark, Fox News reporter, with Jeffrey Clark, former DOJ official and Trump co-conspirator in election denial. Two different people.
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Okay, so I was wrong about Jeffrey Clark, the reporter. Fox "news" is still not a legitimate source for facts.
 
JimBob1952 said:
I'm sure you would agree that neither CNN nor MSNBC is a reliable source either.
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Show me something that shows that CNN is not reliable. Post a link to a news story or article that shows they aren't reliable — not an opinion piece, but a news article by a journalist.

MSNBC is an opinion outlet, so no, that's not a reliable source for facts.
 
SeniorBen said:
SeniorBen said:
Show me something that shows that CNN is not reliable. Post a link to a news story or article that shows they aren't reliable — not an opinion piece, but a news article by a journalist.
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You make it too easy. A few minutes online and you could discover any of this yourself... of course, that would entail pulling your head out of the sand for a moment.


In October 2016, emails from John Podesta showed CNN contributor Donna Brazile passing the questions for a CNN-sponsored debate to the Clinton campaign. In the email, Brazile discussed her concern about Clinton's ability to field a question regarding the death penalty. The following day Clinton would receive the question about the death penalty, verbatim, from an audience member at the CNN-hosted Town Hall event.

In 2020, A CNN article published shortly before the debate, which reported that Bernie Sanders allegedly told Elizabeth Warren in private during a 2018 meeting that a woman can't win a presidential election, was criticized for being viewed as a hit piece intended to depict Sanders as a misogynist prior to the debate and for being anonymously sourced.

CNN apologized for a May 15, 2003 story in which CNN's John Zarella and Broward county, Florida Sheriff Ken Jenne demonstrated the rapid firing of fully automatic firearms while covering the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, due to expire the following year. The Assault Weapons Ban was concerned solely with semiautomatic firearms not fully automatic ones, which had already been restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934, and the subsequent 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act.

Yeah.... unbiased.
 
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squatting dog said:
You make it too easy. A few minutes online and you could discover any of this yourself... of course, that would entail pulling your head out of the sand for a moment.


In October 2016, emails from John Podesta showed CNN contributor Donna Brazile passing the questions for a CNN-sponsored debate to the Clinton campaign. In the email, Brazile discussed her concern about Clinton's ability to field a question regarding the death penalty. The following day Clinton would receive the question about the death penalty, verbatim, from an audience member at the CNN-hosted Town Hall event.

In 2020, A CNN article published shortly before the debate, which reported that Bernie Sanders allegedly told Elizabeth Warren in private during a 2018 meeting that a woman can't win a presidential election, was criticized for being viewed as a hit piece intended to depict Sanders as a misogynist prior to the debate and for being anonymously sourced.

CNN apologized for a May 15, 2003 story in which CNN's John Zarella and Broward county, Florida Sheriff Ken Jenne demonstrated the rapid firing of fully automatic firearms while covering the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, due to expire the following year. The Assault Weapons Ban was concerned solely with semiautomatic firearms not fully automatic ones, which had already been restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934, and the subsequent 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act.

Yeah.... unbiased.
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You're kind of grasping at straws, there, SD.
 
Nemo2 said:
Oh, like the cartel guys or variations thereof? Sorry, but there has to be some accountability, or the ones you really don't want will be the ones you get.
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Not really, they are happy in their own countries going about their business, i would think. I am referring to the hardworking working class......
 
Senenity said:
Not really, they are happy in their own countries going about their business, i would think. I am referring to the hardworking working class......
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https://www.wyff4.com/article/south-carolina-drug-trafficking-mexican-cartel-arrests/42475538

Quote: GREENVILLE, S.C. —
More than 40 people have been charged in the Upstate of South Carolina as part of a drug-trafficking case known as "Las Señoritas," according to Attorney General Alan Wilson.

Wilson announced Thursday that the South Carolina State Grand Jury has issued indictments that contain 170 charges against 43 defendants.

“It might surprise people that cartel drug trafficking happens in South Carolina, but it does and we’re fighting to stop it,” /Quote

Next!
 
Nemo2 said:
https://www.wyff4.com/article/south-carolina-drug-trafficking-mexican-cartel-arrests/42475538

Quote: GREENVILLE, S.C. —
More than 40 people have been charged in the Upstate of South Carolina as part of a drug-trafficking case known as "Las Señoritas," according to Attorney General Alan Wilson.

Wilson announced Thursday that the South Carolina State Grand Jury has issued indictments that contain 170 charges against 43 defendants.

“It might surprise people that cartel drug trafficking happens in South Carolina, but it does and we’re fighting to stop it,” /Quote

Next!
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A lot of people don't realize is how serious the problem is with these cartels. They are in every state setting up shop. The last thing I want to see here is the everyday violence here they have south of the border.
 
OK SeniorBen, here you go. BTW there is this "Google" thing that allows you to do this yourself if you want....

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/02/business/media/cnn-profit-chris-licht.html

https://fortworthbusiness.com/business/cnn-trying-to-ditch-image-as-liberal-purveyor-of-fake-news/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...lement-covington-catholic-student/2837478001/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/cnn-jeff-zucker-resigns-chris-cuomo/621497/

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/feb/13/cnn-jeff-zucker-chris-cuomo-fox-news

This is from the Guardian story:

But the money keeps rolling in, at roughly a billion dollars a year in profit to its parent company, AT&T’s WarnerMedia, while data-driven content decisions push the network toward tabloid-like obsessions and a tone rooted in exaggeration and alarm.
 

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