Daniel Penny, who killed Michael Jackson impersonator on NY subway, to be charged with manslaughter

SeniorBen

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Authorities in New York are expected as early as Friday morning to charge a former marine who put fellow subway passenger Jordan Neely in a chokehold that killed him.

The incident played out after Neely entered a train carriage yelling that he was tired and hungry and ready to die. A four-minute video captured by a freelance journalist showed other riders pinning Neely down and Penny putting him in a chokehold that he maintained for long after Neely had stopped moving and as at least one passenger urged him to let go.

Police found Neely unconscious, and he was pronounced dead at the hospital. Investigators determined he died from having his neck compressed, and his death was ruled a homicide by a city medical examiner.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...eely-killing-subway-new-york-criminal-charges
 

SeniorBen said:
Authorities in New York are expected as early as Friday morning to charge a former marine who put fellow subway passenger Jordan Neely in a chokehold that killed him.

The incident played out after Neely entered a train carriage yelling that he was tired and hungry and ready to die. A four-minute video captured by a freelance journalist showed other riders pinning Neely down and Penny putting him in a chokehold that he maintained for long after Neely had stopped moving and as at least one passenger urged him to let go.

Police found Neely unconscious, and he was pronounced dead at the hospital. Investigators determined he died from having his neck compressed, and his death was ruled a homicide by a city medical examiner.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...eely-killing-subway-new-york-criminal-charges
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Well I'm pleased they are, because whatever the outcome, that guy had no right to put his hands on , much less choke someone to death...
 

As usual, there is more to the story:

According to the New York Daily News, Neely was arrested 42 times in the past 10 years by the New York Police Department and “had a documented mental health history with police.”

He was most recently arrested in November 2021 on felony assault charges after being accused of “slugging a 67-year-old female stranger in the face,” Daily News reported, adding that a warrant was issued in that case.

Some might wonder what Neely was doing on the street when he had 42 arrests in 10 years and some of them were for violence.

Some on the scene said the Marine was trying to help but they waited 15 minutes for a police response.

Happy Heart said:
My understanding is that it was in defense of other passengers so it has a chilling effect on standing up for those who are being harassed and intimidated by a someone.
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That is my understanding too but it simply isn't safe to defend others anymore, especially not in some locations.
 
Myrtle said:
Some might wonder what Neely was doing on the street when he had 42 arrests in 10 years and some of them were for violence.
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Ya think?

New York has a 3 strikes law for three violent felony convictions. Wonder if Neely fell between the cracks, or maybe he didn't have the violent felony convictions.

I hope New York looks closely at this, someone with the record you describe should not be free... In this case it would have saved his life.

Policies and rulings on lengthy imprisonment terms in New York.
https://www.nacdl.org/mapdata/Exces...w York has a three,for a third violent felony.
 
Born_To_Lose said:
Why does the media only report part of the story?
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One problem is that the media has limited time and wants to tell a simple story, that has always been the case. I can understand that, don't like it but understand it. Truth is we want a simple easy to understand story, while most real stories are not that.

I think another problem is that in all too many cases stories are written as much or more to tell the audience what the media believes they want to hear. I think most media outlets are guilty of that, no matter the political persuasion.
Born_To_Lose said:
I have a list of 8 reasons, but then I wouldn’t be on this board anymore.
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Why do you think that is? I am curious about your thoughts.
 
SeniorBen said:
Authorities in New York are expected as early as Friday morning to charge a former marine who put fellow subway passenger Jordan Neely in a chokehold that killed him.

The incident played out after Neely entered a train carriage yelling that he was tired and hungry and ready to die. A four-minute video captured by a freelance journalist showed other riders pinning Neely down and Penny putting him in a chokehold that he maintained for long after Neely had stopped moving and as at least one passenger urged him to let go.

Police found Neely unconscious, and he was pronounced dead at the hospital. Investigators determined he died from having his neck compressed, and his death was ruled a homicide by a city medical examiner.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...eely-killing-subway-new-york-criminal-charges
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That's why you just can't get involved in anything anymore
 
Myrtle said:
Neely was arrested 42 times in the past 10 years by the New York Police Department and “had a documented mental health history with police.”

He was most recently arrested in November 2021 on felony assault charges after being accused of “slugging a 67-year-old female stranger in the face,” Daily News reported, adding that a warrant was issued in that case.
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why is this missing from some MEDIA? .... does not fit the agenda that subways are safe and crime is an illusion
make it seem a harmless vagrant with issues.....
If arrested 42 times ....... wonder how many warnings he also had.......what happens if Neely hurt another person ... perhaps charge a person for NOT stepping in to help also? .........
we wonder why no one pays attention or "saw nothing" .......... Good to know that you can not expect anyone to help in case they are arrested for saving you.
 
Some reports claim Neely was schizophrenic. His mother was murdered by her boyfriend when he was 14. Bleh.

On one hand, people have a right to be left alone. On the other hand, people trained to kill by the military don't have a right to kill civilians who aren't a deadly threat. Penny and the other passengers could have restrained Neely without killing him.
 
While I understand that Daniel Penny thought he was protecting himself and other passengers, once other men joined in and were restraining Mr. Neely, Penny should have let go of his neck and helped restrain him in another fashion. I believe he didn't intend to kill Neely but being a marine, he should have known the power of that choke hold. And for goodness sake, did he not see the news stories about other choke hold deaths in recent years?! I'll be interested to see how this plays out.
 
Has anyone here ever held hostage between stations by a raving lunatic? Because I have, more times than I can count. Last year, on my train I didn't take that day a man was shot by such a person and killed. I don't believe Daniel Penny meant to permanently hurt Neeley, just temporarily stop him.

It's terrifying to be in the situation that occurred. Sick of it, why can't I use the train? Aside from a disability of course. Get these people off the train. Victims? The 'regular' passengers are the victims.

I'm kinda surprised this is my opinion, but it is. It's MY city, too!
 
OneEyedDiva said:
While I understand that Daniel Penny thought he was protecting himself and other passengers, once other men joined in and were restraining Mr. Neely, Penny should have let go of his neck and helped restrain him in another fashion. I believe he didn't intend to kill Neely but being a marine, he should have known the power of that choke hold. And for goodness sake, did he not see the news stories about other choke hold deaths in recent years?! I'll be interested to see how this plays out.
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For these reasons I can understand the manslaughter charge.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I believe he didn't intend to kill Neely but being a marine, he should have known the power of that choke hold.
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hearlady said:
For these reasons I can understand the manslaughter charge.
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Maybe, but I am not sure people have clarity of thought in the moment... or that we should expect them to. I probably wouldn't have. It's a tough one.
 
Pepper said:
Has anyone here ever held hostage between stations by a raving lunatic? Because I have, more times than I can count. Last year, on my train I didn't take that day a man was shot by such a person and killed. I don't believe Daniel Penny meant to permanently hurt Neeley, just temporarily stop him.

It's terrifying to be in the situation that occurred. Sick of it, why can't I use the train? Aside from a disability of course. Get these people off the train. Victims? The 'regular' passengers are the victims.

I'm kinda surprised this is my opinion, but it is. It's MY city, too!
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I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I think your city is in crisis.
 
hearlady said:
I'm sorry you have to deal with that. I think your city is in crisis.
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The subway has never been a pleasant experience, and it could be. I remember a horrible incident 50 years ago, but I don't want to take this story off track, so I won't repeat it BUT, sometimes you just want to kill the effer who is bothering you. It's natural, just go away, you, the person threatening and screaming and getting really in your face. It's seriously scary.
 
Pepper said:
Has anyone here ever held hostage between stations by a raving lunatic? Because I have, more times than I can count. Last year, on my train I didn't take that day a man was shot by such a person and killed. I don't believe Daniel Penny meant to permanently hurt Neeley, just temporarily stop him.

It's terrifying to be in the situation that occurred. Sick of it, why can't I use the train? Aside from a disability of course. Get these people off the train. Victims? The 'regular' passengers are the victims.

I'm kinda surprised this is my opinion, but it is. It's MY city, too!
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Some who condemn Perry for trying to protect the innocent may get an opportunity to be "held hostage between stations by a raving lunatic" the way things are going for subway riders. Things are not safe for the defenseless when bad actors can be released 42 times to prey on others again and again. I agree Pepper, the regular passengers are the victims.

Some among the strong have always been willing to step up and defend those who cannot defend themselves but if this is the result how long will they do that knowing they may end up in prison, lose their jobs, leave their families without them and see their lives completely ruined by a government that just wants to make the good guy an example.

So many people seem unable to put themselves in the place of the threatened passengers and can only feel sympathy for the dead criminal.

The media has its agenda. The politicians have their agenda. Far too often the agenda is the same and law abiding people who just want to get somewhere on the subway or walk to the store lose to the criminals. It can happen to anyone, anywhere.
 
Granted Neely was ranting and raving, he did throw his jacket on the floor. But in echoes of George Floyd, Penny continued the choke hold well past Neely being unconscious, thus not moving, and despite passengers' warnings Neely wasn't breathing. If you want to play hero in restraining an unarmed crazy guy, that doesn't give you the right to kill him.
Penny may be eventually convicted of manslaughter, but I doubt a long prison sentence, if any.
 
Pepper said:
Has anyone here ever held hostage between stations by a raving lunatic? Because I have, more times than I can count. Last year, on my train I didn't take that day a man was shot by such a person and killed. I don't believe Daniel Penny meant to permanently hurt Neeley, just temporarily stop him.

It's terrifying to be in the situation that occurred. Sick of it, why can't I use the train? Aside from a disability of course. Get these people off the train. Victims? The 'regular' passengers are the victims.

I'm kinda surprised this is my opinion, but it is. It's MY city, too!
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wonderful to have insight from someone who lives there ... Thank you.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Granted Neely was ranting and raving, he did throw his jacket on the floor. But in echoes of George Floyd, Penny continued the choke hold well past Neely being unconscious, thus not moving, and despite passengers' warnings Neely wasn't breathing. If you want to play hero in restraining an unarmed crazy guy, that doesn't give you the right to kill him.
Penny may be eventually convicted of manslaughter, but I doubt a long prison sentence, if any.
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Intent was just not there.... IN any situation regardless of past military service etc you are talking a chaotic scene and others holding down person as well perhaps if on chest or abdomen that restricted air...... if charges ...........charge them all ...........but cannot make a case even in Social Media court for that.....

Adrenaline plays a factor......on all parties
it really is only a moment between .......he i calmed and not fighting... then ....... he is not breathing.

Why do Monday morning quarterbacks insist..........
person should known this or that ... in the moment.

It was clear he was not breathing ....... clear to who? 20/20 hindsight many things are clear that in the MOMENT was very very unclear

a person acting odd does not say to most people " if they freak out and go ballistic........... i need to remember they could have mental issues and give them a pass....or google my amateur psychology checklist "
 

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