Daughter's College Bursary Application
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Old_Dame
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Congratulations to your daughter on two accounts; first, for acquiring the bursary; second, for being savvy, perceptive, to adapt where need is wanting.
Most institutions, besides the corporate, secular world find the need to improve, adopt, a fixed percentage, number, of underrepresented employees within their organizations to satisfy anti-discrimination law “to prevent discrimination against particular groups of people; these groups are often referred to as protected groups or protected classes.”
It makes sense that by including “a box” on the bursary application, the college satisfied a legal requirement.
With that said, I realize your post garners a broader/in-depth layer, (point of contention?), involving morality, and ethics; which opens discussion for another can of worms, altogether.
hawkdon
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okay what is a bursary, I didn't go to college.....
CallMeKate
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It's what we'd call a scholarship here, Hawk. @hawkdonokay what is a bursary, I didn't go to college.....
I think it would matter where the money is coming from. If I was gay and had suffered discrimination and wanted to leave as a legacy a scholarship fund for other gay people, then I think I would consider it fraud for someone to get my donation under false pretenses.
There are a lot of specialized education grants, like for people with multiple sclerosis, cancer survivors, etc.
People love to commit fraud though, I don't know what the repercussions would be when it is found out.
If the person committing fraud eventually gets a job that requires a high level of trust, they may need to take lie detector tests and be questioned about financial frauds. Those jobs can be very high paying, so is fraudulently getting $1200 now worth potentially losing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars in a career?
Beezer
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My daughter can just claim she is 'two-spirited'. What institution would have any right to argue with her?
CallMeKate
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Can't help thinking about Lori Loughlin right now. @HoneyNut
I don't think that is how a lie detector situation would work, they would probably ask something like have you ever made a false claim to benefit financially, and she'd only pass if she actually believed she was 'two-spirited'.
Usually playing with fraud is hazardous. I knew one person had to wait a year to re-apply to a police force job because he lied on a fairly small issue. I don't know what type of questions financial jobs might pose, in other types of careers I've known people asked about crimes and pornography.
There is also a risk of blackmail, if someone finds out a person has been dishonest they can take advantage of the info.
Remy
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Some people might call foul but I don't. First some (if not a lot) of these gender fluid, non binary, trans are going to settle into a relationship one of these day if gay or straight and identify with the sex they were born with. After playing it to the hilt.
I mean people are expected to get those pronouns correct and some people claim they identify different every day. Oh what great fun for the victim that makes an error in their identity of the day.
Yes, there has been terrible discrimination against gay people in the past. Lives ruined. I think most understand that.
There are many people walking around who have endured terrible things, you'd never know it. As some fat ugly white woman and with the life I've had and the mother I got, I've actually thought I deserved some protection. My mind is a damaged mess. But I'll never get it.
So I say good on your daughter. Disagree if you want, but I wish I had such nerve. Believe me I don't.
I mean people are expected to get those pronouns correct and some people claim they identify different every day. Oh what great fun for the victim that makes an error in their identity of the day.
Yes, there has been terrible discrimination against gay people in the past. Lives ruined. I think most understand that.
There are many people walking around who have endured terrible things, you'd never know it. As some fat ugly white woman and with the life I've had and the mother I got, I've actually thought I deserved some protection. My mind is a damaged mess. But I'll never get it.
So I say good on your daughter. Disagree if you want, but I wish I had such nerve. Believe me I don't.
Remy
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It's all fluid right? If they see her hand in hand with some cute guy on campus, she can just say she's in a poly relationship and she's going out with her girlfriend tomorrow.
Remy
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Thanks for asking, I was going to look it up.okay what is a bursary, I didn't go to college.....
PeppermintPatty
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I didn’t know that.
Beezer
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I look at it this way.
If the criteria for my girl getting the bursary on the second application try was because she identified as LGBTQ, then she has exposed a rigged or corrupt system of handing out scholarships in my opinion.
The College should just have a glaring disclaimer stating "Straight students need not apply" for this bursary.
If the criteria for my girl getting the bursary on the second application try was because she identified as LGBTQ, then she has exposed a rigged or corrupt system of handing out scholarships in my opinion.
The College should just have a glaring disclaimer stating "Straight students need not apply" for this bursary.
Naturally
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Scholarships come from various sources and without having read the fine print for a particular scholarship ...
Could it possibly have any affiliation with the scholarship requirements, guiding philosophy or association, etc?
Could it possibly have any affiliation with the scholarship requirements, guiding philosophy or association, etc?
LoveTulips
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Yup, I agree what being straight does not deserve support as much as gay, two-spirited? It should depend solely on grades and financial need.
fuzzybuddy
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If I'm rich and want to give money for a college scholarship for a green eyed student, well ,why can't I? Same, if someone wants to establish a scholarship for gay individuals. Scholarships are donations, you are free to donate to whomever you want.
But claiming to be gay just to qualify for a scholarship is morally wrong.
But claiming to be gay just to qualify for a scholarship is morally wrong.
hearlady
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I wouldn't do it. I'm A notorious rule follower.
VintageBetter
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If it's a lie, it's a lie.
Beezer
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Yikes! Not so fast!
My daughter has just told me she actually does identify with the LGBTQ community! So now we are simply arguing the hypothetical, I suppose.
Oi Vay! I'm not even sure what this means!?
jimintoronto
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I call B.S. on this whole made up story. No post secondary institution in Canada is going to ask an applicant about their sexual orientation. Period. My Source ? My Wife spent 35 years working in senior management positions in a number of Canadian Universities. Amongst her duties was writing the requirements for scholarship awards. I asked to day, about this having actually happened, and her reaction was "hell NO, that could NOT be asked " because of the Privacy Act. Which is a Federal Law in Canada that sets out, very clearly what can, and CANNOT be asked of a person who is applying for employment, or, in this case a bursary or scholarship.
So Beezer, I have challenged you to bring forth actual facts, such as the name of the University, to support your previous statements here. Put up or shut up. Or admit that you made it all up. Which is it ? I await your reply, but I won't hold my breath . Jimb.
Beezer
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@jimintoronto
First of all, calm the f*ck down. Secondly, calm the f*ck down. And thirdly I'll speak with my daughter to find out if I erred in what I wrote above.
First of all, calm the f*ck down. Secondly, calm the f*ck down. And thirdly I'll speak with my daughter to find out if I erred in what I wrote above.
hearlady
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jimintoronto
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Well Beezer, here we are three days later, and you still haven't been able to find out if you "erred in what I wrote above ". Should I assume that this means you aren't going to answer at all ? By the way, the vulgarity in your reply to me was a bit trite, don't you think ? Jimb.