Mr. Ed
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Defining 'Lust' in your own words...
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I once heard a well-regarded Christian speaker recalling how he encountered a minister who thought that dancing was wrong because it inspired “the lust of the flesh!” Said minister had accompanying hand gestures to amplify his statement. I still chuckle about that one…
I guess a dance troupe would then be a full-scale orgy…
I guess a dance troupe would then be a full-scale orgy…
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MarkD
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Doesn't even have to involve people or food. I'm a member of a garden group known as the Hortisexuals where the lust involves plants. Maybe a parallel from plant lust will fit inter human lust/love?
Lust for a plant is based on a strong attraction to everything about a plant in isolation: the textures, scale, colors of its foliage as well as its growth habit and everything to do with its flowers including scent, color, size and sculptural qualities.
Love for a plant is recognition of its fittingness for a place in ones garden or a garden one is tending.
So lust is immediate and free of any contextual restraints. Love also encompasses its overall fit in ones world.
BTW, hortisexually speaking, flowers are a plant's sex organs while foliage is like its clothing. The sex organs only show for a limited time but the clothing calls attention to the plant's physique for most of the year. Both are both lust and love worthy.
OldFeller
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Lust is a state of overwhelming sexual and physical attraction to another person. It can be what draws two people together into a long term relationship if both people find there's more to their attraction beyond the physical. I'd be cautious until it's clear that you do genuinely like each other.
I never trusted my feelings if they were manipulated by the physical. I also never bothered with very attractive women. They have too many suitors.
Love, on the other hand, is a much broader concept that includes deeper emotional connection and, usually, a desire to make that relationship last.
After the death of my wife, I realized that love is a thing that creeps up on you when you weren't paying attention. It's the result of time together.
I never trusted my feelings if they were manipulated by the physical. I also never bothered with very attractive women. They have too many suitors.
Love, on the other hand, is a much broader concept that includes deeper emotional connection and, usually, a desire to make that relationship last.
After the death of my wife, I realized that love is a thing that creeps up on you when you weren't paying attention. It's the result of time together.
Mobilman44
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Well, I'll keep it simple...... To me, "lust" means wanting to have sex with another - and perhaps is some individual's way of saying something is the "best". This typically applies to another person, but could apply to jewelry or vehicles, etc., etc.
Magna-Carta
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The statement in the question, "If love embraces truth...": This seems to be a statement or conditional setting up the question. A statement that I'm not entirely sure is the reality, but for the purpose of answering the question, let's go along with it anyway. So "...does lust embrace lies?"
Maybe I've overthought it, but you did ask for thoughts, and I'm not going to deny my own thoughts, so here we go.
It can do, but I don't think it's a given. I think Lust can cause self deception -- creating a self allusion in order to 'satisfy the desire for Lust'? Perhaps then making the lust seem more acceptable and appropriate to the person, whether in reality it's appropriate or not. I suppose self deceptions can be considered as lies?
"If love embraces truth..." My thoughts on this are, does love actually embrace truth? I would say so, up to a point, because Love can be blind also. Love can casue us to overlook some things. Unconditional love sounds wonderful, but our own sense of Love can casue us to overlook flaws and imperfections. Maybe to the point of lying to ourselves in order to keep hold of the love we might feel.
Back to the question then, ...does lust embrace lies? I feel it can embrace both lies and truth.
You start with, "If love embraces truth..." This too can embrace both lies and truth.
In reality, Love can involve Lust, and Lust can involve Love, in the right healthy circumstances.
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Paco Dennis
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Both can be harmful if taken to extremes. That is the key, "taken to extremes". When it becomes harmful the lines blur on what it really is that is driving the extreme behavior. There is that weird saying "I could just love you to death." or the song by the Police "I'll be watching you." It gives me creeps. But I can see it the other way, "they look so lovely, they are treasured to look at.
Paco Dennis
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Paco Dennis
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What is Love?
Love is a word that is used very often to express a strong emotion and can mean many different things to many different people. So a definition of love will help avoid equivocation or the confusion that sometimes arises when people debate while using the same terms albeit with different meanings only to find out perhaps hours later, that they had been referring totally different concepts all along. That's why Socrates suggested a definition of terms prior to initiating a debate.
Equivocation
In logic, equivocation ("calling two different things by the same name") is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument.
It is a type of ambiguity that stems from a phrase having two or more distinct meanings, not from the grammar or structure of the sentence.
Equivocation - Wikipedia
Dictionary standpoint:
Webster Dictionary
love
1 of 2
noun
ˈləv
Synonyms of love
a(1)
: strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties
maternal love for a child
(2)
: attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers
After all these years, they are still very much in love.
(3)
: affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests
love for his old schoolmates
b
: an assurance of affection
give her my love
2 : warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/love
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
So as can be seen, the dictionary definition, requires only a strong emotion, while the biblical standpoint requires far more.
For example, if we claim to love someone but are unforgiving, impatient and easily angered, envious of their accomplishments, dishonor them via disrespect, are far more interested in ourselves than in the person's welfare, are reluctant to protect the person from harm, are dishonest towards the person, easily lose hope in reference to the person, then, from a biblical standpoint, we do not genuinely love that person.
Love is a word that is used very often to express a strong emotion and can mean many different things to many different people. So a definition of love will help avoid equivocation or the confusion that sometimes arises when people debate while using the same terms albeit with different meanings only to find out perhaps hours later, that they had been referring totally different concepts all along. That's why Socrates suggested a definition of terms prior to initiating a debate.
Equivocation
In logic, equivocation ("calling two different things by the same name") is an informal fallacy resulting from the use of a particular word/expression in multiple senses within an argument.
It is a type of ambiguity that stems from a phrase having two or more distinct meanings, not from the grammar or structure of the sentence.
Equivocation - Wikipedia
Dictionary standpoint:
Webster Dictionary
love
1 of 2
noun
ˈləv
Synonyms of love
a(1)
: strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties
maternal love for a child
(2)
: attraction based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers
After all these years, they are still very much in love.
(3)
: affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests
love for his old schoolmates
b
: an assurance of affection
give her my love
2 : warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/love
From a biblical standpoint:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
So as can be seen, the dictionary definition, requires only a strong emotion, while the biblical standpoint requires far more.
For example, if we claim to love someone but are unforgiving, impatient and easily angered, envious of their accomplishments, dishonor them via disrespect, are far more interested in ourselves than in the person's welfare, are reluctant to protect the person from harm, are dishonest towards the person, easily lose hope in reference to the person, then, from a biblical standpoint, we do not genuinely love that person.
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