Did The CDC Just Admit Vaccines Don't Work? That's What It Looks Like

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Oh I agree these diseases are not by any means deadly. And I too was forced to play with kids who had them, so I could get them. But we focus so much on these diseases that every parent must get the vaccine for this or that for their child, when there are many more things far far worse than these that are in fact deadly.
And yes I will agree some kids get complications from them, sure. But again, what is the number of kids that do? If one dies and 100 get complications, but yet we have 1000's that are diabetic or obese or born from alcoholic moms that are far worse than any childhood disease complication.

All I am saying is we are focusing on places where we should not be, and not where we should.

Far bigger issues than chicken pox, measles, etc.
 

Tazx said:
Yeah but the problem is, no one dies of measles.
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One child i n this Texas outbreak already has.

At least one person died in the outbreak i n Wales a few years ago

Both developed first world places

and that is in relatively small outbreaks - if vaccination rates drop further the outbreaks wont be small.

and of course as well as wanting to prevent deaths we also want t o prevent deafness, blindness, encephalitis -as well as the misery of having the disease itself even with no complications.

The fact that children die of other causes doesnt mean we do nothing about this preventable cause - that would be like saying children die of cancer, lets not worry about pool fencing. šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«
 
Well thank you for confirming what I said. But again, children will die in all places of the world, but its not the vax that is saving them. Look at the death rates from measles before the vaccine introduction. You will see it is no different. The vaccine for these diseases are not saviours. They are causing autism, adhd, add and a host of other issues BECAUSE of the vaccine. You will see soon when these vaccine makers are forced to prove their data. Which none will be able to do.
 

Had a serious case of mumps when I was a six month old baby. Was told it was real serious. Never had chicken pox, although exposed a million times. My son, too. Had measles in 5th or 6th grade. Lasted two weeks. Out of school, yay! My sister called me "Mease". I liked that.

My best friend's son is schizophrenic. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but has anyone ever claimed a connection between the development of schizophrenia and childhood vaccinations? Just curious.
 
Tazx said:
Well thank you for confirming what I said. But again, children will die in all places of the world, but its not the vax that is saving them. Look at the death rates from measles before the vaccine introduction. You will see it is no different. The vaccine for these diseases are not saviours. They are causing autism, adhd, add and a host of other issues BECAUSE of the vaccine. You will see soon when these vaccine makers are forced to prove their data. Which none will be able to do.
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I did no such thing - please do not put words into my mouth.

Your assertion is not true at all.

the suppossed link between autism and MMR vaccine has been thoroughly debunked

Death rates ,and serious repurcussions rates from measles were MUCH higher before the vaccine.

and yes you keep saying we will see soon - but what we are seeing now is an outbreak of measles in a developed country and 1 death already of an unvaccinated child. That is the reality of vaccine rates dropping.
 
January said:
I did no such thing - please do not put words into my mouth.

Your assertion is not true at all.

the suppossed link between autism and MMR vaccine has been thoroughly debunked

Death rates ,and serious repurcussions rates from measles were MUCH higher before the vaccine.

and yes you keep saying we will see soon - but what we are seeing now is an outbreak of measles in a developed country and 1 death already of an unvaccinated child. That is the reality of vaccine rates dropping.
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Who has debunked it? There are no double blind studies to prove or disprove the link. Send me something that shows this. Cause the CDC admits it has no studies. So who does?
How else do you explain Yale, Harvard, Cleveland Clinic releasing papers on vaccines? The recent covid 19 papers should be evidence enough.

Let me see...since the 80's childhood cancers, autism, allergies have gone up year after year. What else is to blame? What was introduced in the 70's? Vaccines.

Again where is your evidence that deaths and injury was worse prior to lets say 1980 when vaccines had really grabbed hold.
How do you explain the Hutterite communities? Where are there Autism rates, allergies, severe childhood illnesses. They are the lowest vax rate anywhere. There are many areas like that around the world that are exactly the same.

And 1 death? Really? How many thousands got the measles? Cases everywhere, so must be 1000's or more. So 1 in 1000 or more. Did you not read the stats I posted from Canada?

Keep preaching, its falling on deaf ears.
 
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Age-specific measles mortality during the late 19thā€“early 20th centuries - PMC

Measles mortality fell markedly (>90%) from the 19th century to mid-20th century prior to introduction of measles vaccine or the widespread use of antibiotics for secondary bacterial infections [1]. Many other economic, social and epidemiological changes were occurring at the beginning of the modern age so it is uncertain which changes may have led to the decline in measles mortality.

High measles mortality occurs in malnourished children in developing countries indicating the important role of nutritional status in enabling children to survive a severe viral infection [28]. Malnutrition likely influences measles mortality through limitations in cellular immune responses [9]. Vitamin A is a particular nutritional component which is important in measles resistance as determined by a variety of vitamin A supplementation studies [29, 30]. Could a change in nutritional status explain the historically observed drop in measles mortality?

The vax was introduced in 1963 in the US. By 1963 measles deaths had fallen 98 percent from 1863. So how do you explain that. Better cleanliness standards, better medicines, better nutrition and so on. Like many of these diseases the/a vaccine was introduced at the end when the disease was on its way out.
And FYI, no disease has ever been eradicated and never will. It will always be around, and always affect the few and some will die. Its called life. There is no Utopia where no one gets sick and dies. Not in the real world. Affecting our kids with the adjuvents in vaccines to possibly-possibly save a few but infecting the many with aluminum, mercury and other toxins. Not for a logical society. No logical sane person infects 99 percent of children with toxins to save the 1 percent, while submitting the other 99 percent to conditions that could be related to the toxins in the vaccines for the rest of their lives.
 
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German Supreme Court Upholds Biologistā€™s Claim that Measles Virus Does Not Exist​


Could There Be Something Wrong with the Germ Theory?​



A recent episode in Germany created a suppressed stir in the field of microbiology when microbiologist Dr. Stefan Lanka claimed he would award anyone 100,000 Euros who could prove the existence of the measles virus.
At first it appeared he had lost. But Dr. Lanka took his loss to a higher court with more experts and the backing of two independent laboratories. He wound up not having to pay. It turned out that the ā€œproofā€ provided was a composite of several different electron microscope images. And the composite involved different components of damaged cells. The composite could not be duplicated. The German Federal Supreme Court confirmed that there was not enough evidence to prove the existence of the measles virus. (Source)
So how are they making MMR vaccines with attenuated measles viruses? Thatā€™s Lankaā€™s contention. He and several other virologists have also challenged the HIV virus as a valid viral entity and even if so, as the cause of AIDS. Some question how one virus can cause a myriad of diseases.
They all question the fact that the virus is not isolated in diagnosis. Instead, unreliable antibody tests are performed to put someone into life or death crisis over a virus that many claim really doesnā€™t exist.
 
But then again measles virus might not exist and all the unvaccinated children i n Texas are coming down with allergic reactions to something šŸ˜µā€šŸ’« šŸ˜µā€šŸ’«
 
Why there have been no double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to test whether the MMR vaccine causes autism

A double-blind study would require giving some children a placebo instead of a vaccine, leaving them unprotected against measles, mumps, and rubella. Since vaccines have already been proven effective, this would be considered unethical by modern medical standards.

What Studies Have Been Done?
Instead of placebo trials, epidemiological studies have been conducted, comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Some of the largest include:

Danish Study (2019)

Sample Size: 657,461 children
Conclusion: No increased autism risk in vaccinated children.
Source: Annals of Internal Medicine
Danish Study (2002)

Sample Size: 537,303 children
Conclusion: No link between MMR and autism.
Source: New England Journal of Medicine
Meta-Analysis (2014)

Reviewed: 1.25 million children across 10 studies
Conclusion: No connection between vaccines and autism.
Source: Vaccine Journal
Origin of the Autism-Vaccine Myth
The claim that MMR causes autism started with Andrew Wakefield's 1998 study, which was later retracted due to fraud. Wakefield lost his medical license for falsifying data and having conflicts of interest.

Bottom Line
There have been large, rigorous studies showing no link between MMR and autism. A double-blind study withholding vaccines would be unethical, but existing research overwhelmingly disproves the claim.
 
Smallpox is not still around.

Polio is on track to be next disease eradicated - of course that track will be halted if vaccination rates drop.
 
HermitHogan said:
Why there have been no double-blind, placebo-controlled studies to test whether the MMR vaccine causes autism

A double-blind study would require giving some children a placebo instead of a vaccine, leaving them unprotected against measles, mumps, and rubella. Since vaccines have already been proven effective, this would be considered unethical by modern medical standards.

What Studies Have Been Done?
Instead of placebo trials, epidemiological studies have been conducted, comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Some of the largest include:

Danish Study (2019)

Sample Size: 657,461 children
Conclusion: No increased autism risk in vaccinated children.
Source: Annals of Internal Medicine
Danish Study (2002)

Sample Size: 537,303 children
Conclusion: No link between MMR and autism.
Source: New England Journal of Medicine
Meta-Analysis (2014)

Reviewed: 1.25 million children across 10 studies
Conclusion: No connection between vaccines and autism.
Source: Vaccine Journal
Origin of the Autism-Vaccine Myth
The claim that MMR causes autism started with Andrew Wakefield's 1998 study, which was later retracted due to fraud. Wakefield lost his medical license for falsifying data and having conflicts of interest.

Bottom Line
There have been large, rigorous studies showing no link between MMR and autism. A double-blind study withholding vaccines would be unethical, but existing research overwhelmingly disproves the claim.
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Sure, but NIH, NCBI, medical journals have this;
Health effects in vaccinated versus unvaccinated children,with covariates for breastfeeding status and type of birth.

Vaccinated or Partially Unvaccinated
Allergies (severe) 45/439 15/930
Autism 34/450 9/936
Gastro Disorders 63/421 12/933
Asthma 27/457 8/937
ADD/ADHD 19/465 3/942
Ear Infections 35/449 5/940
Chickenpox 36/254 90/376

Conclusion In the study presented here, children from three pediatric medical practices in the United States were used as a convenience sample to compare health outcomes in fully vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and completely unvaccinated populations. Within the logistic regression models, higher ORs were observed within the fully and partially vaccinated groups versus the unvaccinated group for severe allergies,autism, gastrointestinal disorders, asthma, attention deficit disorder(ADD/ADHD), and chronic ear infections.
The OR for chickenpox,our positive control, was significantly low, affirming the protective effect of vaccination. Similar results have been observed in earlier studies. Results from the analysis of relationships between vaccination and breastfeeding status showed that the lowest percentages of adverse diagnoses were observed for "unvaccinated and breastfed" children;the highest were observed for "vaccinated and not breastfed" children.Results from the analysis of relationships between vaccination and birth delivery status showed that the lowest percentages of adverse diagnoses were observed for unvaccinated children delivered ******lly and the highest were observed for vaccinated children delivered via cesarean section. These particular analyses, and results, appear to be unique in the medical literature
 
Before the measles vaccine was introduced in 1963, the measles death rate in 1962 was extremely low at two in a million, indicating the vaccine's impact on incidence but not on mortality rates.

Dr. Sherri Tenpenny highlights the World Health Organization's recommendation for high-dose vitamin A supplementation as an effective method for preventing and treating measles, questioning the emphasis on vaccines over nutritional approaches.

Health freedom advocates emphasize the importance of supporting natural immunity through proper nutrition, particularly vitamins A and C, as a safer and more effective approach to preventing infectious diseases compared to relying solely on vaccines.

In recent weeks, the media has been ablaze with headlines warning of a measles "outbreak" and urging mass vaccination campaigns. But is this fear justified, or is it yet another example of pharmaceutical-driven propaganda designed to sell more vaccines? Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, a prominent voice in the natural health community, has called out the hysteria, urging people to question the narrative and trust their immune systems instead.

The measles myth: A historical perspective
Measles, a viral infection characterized by fever, cough, rash and conjunctivitis, was once a common childhood illness.

In 1962, the year before the measles vaccine was introduced, the death rate from measles was a mere two in a million, according to public health records. While the vaccine reduced the incidence of measles, it did little to change the already low mortality rate.

Dr. Tenpenny points out that the World Health Organization (WHO) has recommended high-dose vitamin A supplementation for measles prevention and treatment since 2005. "Giving children 200,000 IUs of vitamin A can prevent and treat measles," she explains. "Why arenā€™t we focusing on nutrition and true prevention instead of pushing endless vaccines?"

This raises an important question: Why is the public health system so fixated on vaccination rates rather than addressing underlying health issues like nutritional deficiencies? The answer, many argue, lies in the profit-driven motives of the pharmaceutical industry.

The media panic: A manufactured crisis
The recent media frenzy over a supposed measles outbreak has been met with skepticism by health freedom advocates. highlights a recent case in Texas where a child reportedly died "with measles," not "from measles."

"The child died in a hospital, and the cause of death was likely something else entirely," "They probably used a PCR test to claim the child had measles, but that doesnā€™t mean measles was the cause of death. This is fear mongering at its worst."

The vaccine industryā€™s racket
The measles vaccine, like many others, contains live viruses, which can shed and potentially infect others. Dr. Tenpenny and other experts argue that this shedding could be contributing to so-called outbreaks. "The MMR vaccine contains live measles, mumps and rubella viruses," "When you inject children with live viruses, is it any wonder that we see outbreaks?"

Moreover, the push for endless boosters and mandates has raised concerns about the long-term effects of vaccines. Natural immunity, acquired through infection, is lifelong, while vaccine-induced immunity wanes over time, requiring repeated doses. This creates a lucrative cycle for pharmaceutical companies, which profit from every shot administered.

A call for true prevention
Instead of relying on vaccines, health freedom advocates emphasize the importance of nutrition and natural immunity. Vitamin A, vitamin C and other essential nutrients play a critical role in supporting the immune system. "Vitamin A deficiency is often misdiagnosed as measles," "When cells are damaged due to nutritional deficiencies, the resulting debris can be mistaken for a viral infection."

This perspective challenges the mainstream narrative that vaccines are the only solution to infectious diseases. By addressing underlying health issues and promoting natural immunity, people can reduce the need for risky pharmaceutical interventions.

The road ahead
As the measles hysteria continues to dominate headlines, itā€™s crucial to question the motives behind the fear campaign. Is this truly about public health, or is it a ploy to boost vaccine sales and profits?

Health freedom advocates like Dr. Sherri Tenpenny are urging the public to reject the panic and focus on true prevention. "Trust your immune system, not the pharma-driven fear," Tenpenny advises.

In a world where corporate interests often overshadow individual health, itā€™s more important than ever to stay informed and question the narratives pushed by those who stand to profit. The measles hysteria may be back, but with critical thinking and a commitment to natural health, people can resist the fear and take control of their well-being.
 
A school-aged child in Texas recently became the first fatality in a rapidly spreading measles outbreak that has already sickened more than 120 people across the stateā€™s Panhandle region.

As health officials race to contain the outbreak, doctors are highlighting a dual approach: vaccination to prevent infection and, for those already infected, vitamin A supplementation to potentially reduce the severity of complications.

Vitamin A Recommended for Measles Management​

Measles is a highly contagious respiratory virus spread through droplets, causing severe illness and complications, especially in children, with a 90 percent infection rate.
In March 2020, the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases published a call to action regarding the use of vitamin A for the management of measles in the United States. Though using vitamin A supplementation is recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the report said that it has not been adopted into common practice.

Low vitamin A levels do not explain the current outbreak, and it will not prevent infection, Dr. Andrew Handel, a pediatric infectious diseases expert from Stony Brook Childrenā€™s Hospital, told The Epoch Times.

ā€œRather, patients with low vitamin A levels are more likely to experience severe measles cases and complications,ā€ he said.

Measles Depletes Vitamin A​

Hospitalized measles patients are frequently vitamin A deficient, with low serum vitamin A (retinol) levels, which is associated with disease severity. Additionally, measles infections may also lower vitamin A levels in healthy people.
Children with no known prior vitamin A deficiency may exhibit a significant decline in vitamin A levels during the acute phase of their infection. This decline is associated with increased duration of fever, higher hospitalization rates, and decreased antibody levels.

Vitamin A levels returned to normal after the patients recovered.

The World Health Organization currently recommends that children infected with measles receive two doses of vitamin A supplements, taken 24 hours apart, with the doses varying by age.
Infants under 6 months old are recommended 50,000 IU per day for two days, with those 6 to 11 months old receiving 100,000 IU, and over one year old 200,000 IU.

Vitamin A reduces complications of measles infection, including preventing blindness, according to research published in the journal Public Health and the Eye. Supplementation can also shorten recovery time, and help prevent secondary infections from developing afterward.
The mechanism by which vitamin A helps is not well understood, ā€œbut it is likely that vitamin A helps with the immunologic response to measles,ā€ Dr. David C. Nguyen, an infectious disease specialist at Rush University System for Health and assistant professor at Rush Medical College, told The Epoch Times.

Nope, the answer to everything is needles. Not immune boosting, supplementation, exercise, good food. Hmmm, wonder where I heard that before.
Funny, none of my young friends ended up dead or in the hospital when we were young. As many people have said and many have done...we used to be sent to kids houses to get sick when other caught something. Some people got chicken pox, some didn't. Some got measles some didn't. I never did catch either. Luck of the draw, or maybe I did get them, but my body had the antibodies already.
As recent science is showing that antibodies can pass up to 4 generations through breast milk. So maybe my mom did, or her mom did.

Funny how that generation never ran out and vaccinated their kids -(thanks mom and dad), and somehow my brother and I have never been ill, no allergies, no illnesses. Same as our kids. Never vaxxed them, both our kids never got anything young. Neither have any issues or allergies etc.
 
Dave03 said:
LOL. I knew before I even opened this thread, Tazx would be in here.

I have him on ignore, but I don't need to see it to know it's all exactly the same nonsense he always posts.
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Prove it incorrect.

Once again I ask...why is my info from CDC, NIH, NCBI, WHO always wrong, but everyone elses info is right?

Ah, right cause it goes against your 'truth'.
 

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