Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell

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Lara said:
I'm pretty sure they didn't do in-vitro fertilization back in 4BC when Jesus was born ;)
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I did not use in-vitro fertilization as an example. Do I really need to explain in detail how a girl/woman can get pregnant without any type of aide or penetration by the male? I would think by this time, at our ages, everyone would know this 🤦🏻‍♀️. Lord love a duck, it’s not hard to figure it out.
 

Serenity4321 said:
I guess maybe she was in Catholic school? LOL when I was in elementary Catholic school I decided to run around the neighborhood and help 'save' people by telling them if they did not believe in God they were going to hell. My parents were not too happy ..neigher were my meighbors :rolleyes:
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If I were asked what I consider the worst atrocity committed by Christians I would probably say it is the notion of Christian missionary work.
 

Serenity4321 said:
I guess maybe she was in Catholic school? LOL when I was in elementary Catholic school I decided to run around the neighborhood and help 'save' people by telling them if they did not believe in God they were going to hell. My parents were not too happy ..neigher were my meighbors :rolleyes:
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Haha. How did I miss this? 😂
Some adults still do this.😬
I’m ok with it. I don’t even really mind those who come door to door. Jehovah Witnesses? They are mighty persistent but respectful and friendly as ever. I’ve always been respectful and kind back.

Our last tax accountant suddenly one Christmas decided to become a Jehovah. She moved halfway across the country to do it too. Apparently she’s really committed . As long as she’s happy, I’m happy for her.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Yes I know what they meant. Girls do not lose their virginity from horseback riding unless you are suggesting something strange. Girls can lose their hymen in many different ways, riding horses is one of them. Losing your hymen does not mean you are no longer a virgin.

Semen is necessary for pregnancy, sexual intercourse is not necessary for pregnancy. Since girls who became pregnant, out of wedlock, were stoned to death I am sure there are all kinds of stories about how pregnancy was achieved, without sex, throughout the ages.

All those teenage girls who claimed they never had sex, but ended up pregnant-possible and probably true. Not spelling it out here but when I was 19 a doctor explained the facts of life to me since my mother hadn’t.

As for Mary, how she became pregnant is not important. Her son is recognized as the Son of God by millions. Much like how the male child of a King sometimes died, and another male child substituted. The child grows up to be the Prince, and then the King. It is not who you are at your birth, it’s who you are throughout life.
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You are now entering the realm of culture. Do you see the condition of the hymen as being the one-stop definition of virginity and do the various cultures in question all agree with you?
 
Keesha said:
... entering the realm of what?🥺
Isn’t this getting way off topic now?
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That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
 
Verisure said:
That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
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Her name is Miriam, not Maria. Sorry to be picky.
 
Verisure said:
That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
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I don’t know. 🤷‍♀️
 
Verisure said:
That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
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They did not lie about it, they really believed it was true. Remember woman were extremely controlled in this time period, chattels barely above slaves. It would not occur to anyone that a woman would risk death by stoning to have a baby, or have the intelligence to “make up” a story.

After all the Church considered Mary M. a whore until 2016.

The Bible says, to badly paraphrase, that the Holy Ghost, hmm, filled or entered, can’t remember the wording, Mary and made her pregnant. There are many ways to “enter” and make a woman pregnant. Assuming that early man did not know other ways might be silly.

Remember we are not talking about Christians, these people were Jewish. As to the significant, Mary wanted to stay alive. Joseph wanted to marry her. True love. Do I believe the Holy Ghost. made Mary pg? Yup. God walked the earth as a man. JC was a man. The Holy Ghost could have been a man, or a god or like JC, a combination of both. I have drunk the kool aide 😂.

In any event, yes, we are way off the topic of the thread. But this stuff is really interesting and the OP does not mind or she would have said something. 😍
 
Verisure said:
That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
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Verisure, you ask "Why do Christians lie" that Mary was a virgin? Catholics have lots of questions. I'm not Catholic. I don't debate with Catholics as it would be fruitless since their minds are made up. I'm a Bible-believer and will post Biblical answers to their questions for them. Here's how the Bible answers that:
Click on : https://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html
 
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Lara said:
Why do Christians lie about the Virgin Mary? Catholics have lots of questions. Their answers are in the Bible. I'm not Catholic. I don't debate with Catholics as their minds are made up. I'm a Bible-believing Christian and will answer questions when they ask by telling them how the Bible answers their questions. Here's how the Bible answers that:
Click on : https://www.gotquestions.org/virgin-Mary.html
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Are you Southern Baptist 🤣? Say it is not so, they are so strict. Many the time us kids were set in a basement in separate rooms to pray and read the Bible and wish we could get out of the
basement. Another thing that scared me for life. Can’t stand basements.

I‘ve said before and am saying again, this is not a debate. This is a discussion. A lot of people on the thread are not Catholic. It seems you have no opinins of your own, and simply own the stories in The Bible. Which is fine, a bit odd to me, but fine.

There is a lot about the Catholic Church I don’t like. But there are a lot of things about other churches I don’t like. Do you go to revivals? Do they still have them in NC? My grandmother was a revival champion, I loved revivals as a child. Grandmother was a Wright, as in the Wright Brothers. She was born in South Carolina. She was a Bible toting believing in the Bible Christian and glued my first white Bible into my hand.

I have passed that white Bible, which I had my entire life, a couple years ago to my granddaughter. She has never read a Bible. Figured she might give it a go. 😂. But she is LDS so I doubt she will. They have their own Bible. Cousins are Jehovah Witness and Southern Baptist, nephew and family are Jewish. We give all religions a shot at us 😂. We have discussions, not debates. 😍

So is it just Catholics you don’t talk to or other religions as well? Just curious. In any event, as I said I think the Bible is a history book. God did not write it.
 
Aneeda, I'm not a Southern Baptist. I'm purely a Bible believer. I don't belong to any particular denomination.
And I hardly call it a discussion when Bible believers are called liars by Verisure in post 210.
 
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Verisure said:
That's what I am trying to say. What we consider virginity today in the west is irrelevant to what was considered virginity in the holy land way back then. The fact that Christians maintained that Maria was a virgin must have had some profound significance for them. Why else would they lie about it/believe in it?
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Keesha said:
I don’t know. 🤷‍♀️
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Just because I don’t know the answer to this question doesn’t mean I think or thought anyone was lying. I definitely looked at this topic as a discussion.

I generally discussed things I don’t understand about religion in general . It wasn’t meant to offend anyone. I’m not apologizing because I didn’t call anyone a liar or argue any points.
I’m ok with anyone believing whatever they want.
 

Do You Believe in an Eternal Hell?​


Hand on heart I can't answer that question, I never got to live with a mother-in-law. :)
 
Hell no, we won’t go. Hell no, we won’t go...

Eternally yours
Mr. Ed
 

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