Do You Think Zoos, Circuses, Rodeos, etc. Are Entertainment or Animal Cruelty?

rkunsaw said:
I was using the freedom of my dogs and cats to point out the hypocrisy of those who don't want some animals 'caged' but want to cage their own animals.

It doesn't get 20 below here but my animals always have a place to keep warm. They are even let in the house in extreme weather.

Most people with dogs and cats don't have acres for them to roam.

My main concern is people who try to decide what others should do. If you don't want to go to circuses, zoos, or rodeos fine, but don't condemn those who do. Just too many people in this world trying to tell others what they should do.
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Like the Republican party?
 

rkunsaw said:
You don't have a clue. It's the liberal democrats who want the government to run every aspect of peoples lives. It's conservatives who want less government.
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It's the Republicans who want to ban science in schools and force kids to believe in a christianity, tell women they can't choose abortion, that gays can't marry, and now they want to call men's nipples obscene.
 

Rodeo, zoo's, circus's will never stop and wife and I are extremely GLAD of that! We, like millions of other folks who attend this entertainment.......love it!! Been to all of it and I a former rodeo cowboy in Team Roping! Most "big-city folks" don't want to know where the beef and pork come from that they buy at local grocery stores, but they sure like eating a good Prime Rib! Most "big-city folks" couldn't handle living on/working on a farm like I did.

And, btw, rodeo cowboys and zoo keepers AREN'T "demented psychos".........thank you very much!

Cookie said:
These things are horrible and extremely upsetting to me and I consider the people who engage in such so-called 'sports' demented psychos. This has to be stopped.
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!
Love people who see things "my way"! LOL


rkunsaw said:
I like zoos, circuses, and rodeos. Many animal species would be extinct if not for zoo breeding programs. You PC people just want to take all enjoyment out of life. You enjoyed these things when you were young but want to prevent youngsters from enjoying them now.

We never let our dogs or cats in the house. It's not their natural environment.

I've been a hunter all my life. "Canned hunts aren't even related to hunting.
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ClassicRockr said:
Rodeo, zoo's, circus's will never stop and wife and I are extremely GLAD of that! We, like millions of other folks who attend this entertainment.......love it!! Been to all of it and I a former rodeo cowboy in Team Roping! Most "big-city folks" don't want to know where the beef and pork come from that they buy at local grocery stores, but they sure like eating a good Prime Rib! Most "big-city folks" couldn't handle living on/working on a farm like I did.

And, btw, rodeo cowboys and zoo keepers AREN'T "demented psychos".........thank you very much!
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I suggest you put on your reading glasses, you are mistaken in your assumptions about what I am referring to. Don't assume I'm a big-city person just because I live in one -- I was brought up in the country and choose not to buy/eat meat. While your at it, why not do a bit of research and expand your knowledge of these subjects, as you seem to have a very limited point of view.
 
I could tell from the original post that this would be a HEATED thread.

Like I've already stated, and will continue stating.........a lot of "big-city" and even some "small-town" folks have never been around ranches or farms. As far as keeping African animals in cages at a zoo, not everyone has the finances to go on a safari in Africa and see these animals in the wide open. There are plenty of people who love to watch a good Dog Agility Contest. Well, dogs have to be trained to do those tricks just like circus animals do. And, disciplining a dog is just part of owning a dog, just like disciplining a child is part of child raising.

I've been to Stock Yards and Livestock Auctions in Colorado, Wyoming and Montana. I actually worked a short time for a Livestock Auction in Oklahoma. There are Pen Riders that have to sort out cattle and get them down to the Selling Ring. There are families that their "livelihood" depends on raising dairy cows, beef cattle and hogs.

I actually had a local Sheriff's Dept. escort me and some other rodeo cowboy's into the rodeo grounds b/c of some Animal Activist that wanted to shut down the rodeo. These Activists didn't come from the town the rodeo was in, so the townspeople, coming to the rodeo, politely, some less politely, told the Activists off and to get out of their town. There was no fighting and, with the assistance of the Sheriff's Dept., the Activists left.
 
Cookie said:
I suggest you put on your reading glasses, you are mistaken in your assumptions about what I am referring to. Don't assume I'm a big-city person just because I live in one -- I was brought up in the country and choose not to buy/eat meat. While your at it, why not do a bit of research and expand your knowledge of these subjects, as you seem to have a very limited point of view.
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That (in red) is entire up to you! I love to have you talk to a degreed (Master's) in Zoo Keeping or a Rodeo Producer, or Ranch Forman. I'm sure you, and others here, would have words to say to them, but they would have words to say right back.

Oh well, this has been a dispute that has gone on for years and the National Finals Rodeo still goes on in Las Vegas each year. I haven't seen a zoo shutdown yet. People still take their kids to the circus and the entire family loves it.
 
Falcon said:
Don't like circuses for that reason, but I rather enjoy going to a zoo, if it's clean and the animals have plenty of room and
say, pools for them. If they're caged.....FORGET IT!
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I agree with you. Modern Zoos are much different than zoos of the past. There are less animals, and the habitat is large and kept as realistic as possible. Most of us cannot get to places to see these animals in person. It serves a purpose in keeping people aware and educated about different species... some are endangered.. Many Zoos have breeding programs to increase the numbers of various endangered species and send animals back to their native countries. There is also research being done to find ways to preserve animal species... so.. I don't think we can villianize all zoos. Some are doing a service to animals in the wild.

As for circuses and rodeos? No way would I attend.
 
rkunsaw said:
Do dogs and cats belong in a house? Is it okay to make them wear clothes and collars? Do dogs and cats deserve to be neutered and declawed?

Does the PC crowd want all animals to be free or just the ones they don't own themselves?

What about cattle, sheep and chickens? Should they all be turned loose to roam in their natural environment?
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Hold the show in the road just a minute.... What natural environment for domestic dogs and cats are you talking about? These animals were bred to be domestic pets and yes.. some are bred to work.. such as in cattle herding and hunting... BUT there IS NO natural environment for these animals. They are completely dependent on their humans for their survival. Oh yes.. a cat can kill a mouse or a bird.. but that's about it.. THEY NEED FOOD AND SHELTER.. so If someone does not wish to provide that... they have no business owning a dog or cat.
 
Ameriscot said:
It's the Republicans who want to ban science in schools and force kids to believe in a christianity, tell women they can't choose abortion, that gays can't marry, and now they want to call men's nipples obscene.
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You still don't have a clue. I'm all for science. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is one of my favorite people. I'm also an atheist, and I've posted many times about my belief in free choice for women. I am against gay marriage. I prefer to look at women's nipples.
 
They are completely dependent on their humans for their survival. Oh yes.. a cat can kill a mouse or a bird.. but that's about it.. THEY NEED FOOD AND SHELTER.. so If someone does not wish to provide that... they have no business owning a dog or cat.
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Zoo, circus and rodeo animals also need food and shelter. So what's the difference?
 
rkunsaw said:
Zoo, circus and rodeo animals also need food and shelter. So what's the difference?
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Circus animals are WILD... they are not domesticated... they were taken from their natural environment, where they can and do survive on their own. Horses and cattle can and do survive in the wild by grazing for food.. they DO have a natural environment. Dogs and cats do not.. and they cannot survive very long left to their own devices. SO... don't want to keep your dog or cat warm and fed? Don't own one. That's simple..
 
I know that not everyone would agree with my feelings about keeping wild animals in cages or abusing them in training for the entertainment. I know a lot of people like these things and I don't force my beliefs on anyone.

Rkunsaw, you've hunted all your life and that's fine, you've made good use of the animals shot and didn't go to a fenced farm to do it. I knew a rodeo rider from Oklahoma, who loved telling his story about how when a horse threw him off and injured his back, he walked him in a circle and swung a big 2X4 with a long nail in it into that horse's hide each and every time he came around. He had a $hit eatin' grin on his face too, every time his told his story...so proud.

Dogs and cats are not like large wild lions, elephants, tigers, gorillas, etc. These are wild animals that should stay in their own environment and climate. Even as a young child, it saddened me to see the animals at zoos and circuses, and my family rarely went to them.

Some people are animal lovers, the animals can't speak for themselves or control the situations they are in, so it's good when activists can make a difference in their lives. There is story after story of terrible abuse that goes on behind the scenes. Some people just don't care about it, and some don't like it but choose to make believe it doesn't exist.

I'm not going to trash anyone who still enjoys these things, we're all different in this world and we have different likes and dislikes. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just give my own opinion about the abuse, and the misery these animals endure. Even if zoos, circuses, rodeos, etc. still stayed in existence forever, which they will I'm sure, I can only hope that those individuals who mistreat or torture the innocent animals are punished for their deeds.
 
Well, SB, I can't say why that rodeo cowboy was so proud of how he treated that horse, have to say that I know a number of rodeo cowboys that would whip his a** for doing that. All the guys, and ladies, that I knew at rodeo's, took great care of their horses. Any Rodeo Stock Contractor would tell anyone just how good his bucking stock is treated. The rodeo association that I was a part of, keeps excellent watch at how animals are treated in the industry.
I've actually gone to a Tack Store and seen a bit that was made out of a bicycle chain! I damned near fainted. Couldn't believe ANYONE would put that into a horses mouth! Hobbles are used on horses to keep them still and in one place. Sometimes a horse has to learn to stay in one place and not move around. It's a training aid. I've owned two Quarter Horses and was a member of AQHA back in the 80's. I seen the way horses are trained and some people think it's cruel, but in reality, it's not. People who think it's cruel, have never owned a horse or been around horse training. Spurs are also a necessity and I use to wear Roping Spurs all the time when I roped steers. Heck, wearing spurs goes back years upon years ago.

For those that think animals in circus's, zoo's, rodeo's whatever are treated badly, simple thing to do is not go to those events. But, don't think that those who really like that entertainment should be put-down for it. No matter how much protesting is done, all of those animal entertainment things will go on. Just way to many families and people in general like them.
 
And, Jockey's using the "slapper" on the side of their horse to get it to go faster to win a race. Doesn't bother me because I know it's just part of horse racing.
Yep, QS, dog and cock fighting is a major problem, but as long as people make money doing it, just like other things people do illegally to make money, it will never stop.

QuickSilver said:
I'm not as concerned with rodeos and circuses as I am with other ways humanoids use poor animals for entertainment... dog and cock fighting.
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I love all animals much more than people. I am so adamant about animal cruelty in any form, I will get involved. I HAVE gotten involved. I do not attend any event I feel the animals are being mistreated. Many years ago (60), while at Del Mar I saw a horse fall and had to be put down. Never went to another race track. People say "what about the poor Jockey he was hurt too" and my attitude is the Jockey volunteered to get up on that pony and race him, the noble steed did not ask to be raced.
 
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