Doctors Verses Pharmacists

My daughter has been a pharmacist for over 30 years and I cannot begin to tell you the number of hours she takes each year to keep her license. She monitors my meds and the rest of the families if they ask her. She has found many problems with different interactions with their meds. When they mention them to their doctors, the doctors always defer to her judgement and adjust their meds. My own internist and she have spoken through the years concerning my meds. He and my other doctors have always told me that doctors do not get the training in med school concerning drugs, etc. They go a lot about manufacturers instructions. My doctor has a chart in each waiting room detailing drug interactions. Several times when prescribing my meds he will laugh and say"lets ask Tammy" She can spot a fake script a mile away and has no problem calling a doctor herself to be sure he is aware of other meds a patient is taking. Comes in handy in prescribing pain meds also.
 

I should explain I take 3 different kinds of high blood pressure meds and a seizure (sic) med. I still have "late effects CVA" which I have lived with for 20 years and will follow me for the rest of my life. I take my meds, exercise and try to eat as healthy as I can. Every now and then the brain aneurysm will act up and I will have another coil installed. I have learned to live my life differently and that is okay. We all have our problems and deal with them as best as we can. Mine has just been mainly medical and I handle it everyday and give thanks God has brought me through another day.
 
I trust my PCP to prescribe but I always check up on him by doing a quick online search to look at interactions, side effects, etc...

I rely on the pharmacist to help me when I add an OTC medication or supplement to the mix of prescription drugs.

I guess it's a case of trust but verify every step along the way.
 

When I mentioned that our pharmacists can do automatic refills and prescribe certain drugs, I didn’t mean that they can diagnose and treat patients themselves. They don’t have a license to do so.
I believe the only time they can prescribe drugs is by offering a substitute drug that the doctor has already prescribed as a treatment plan.
Note: clearly I’ve said something wrong again.
 
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I trust the pharmacist much more than the Dr. when it comes to medication. The pharmacist deals with drugs daily, knows what can be used with another drug. They have caught the Dr putting me on drugs that work against each other 3 times since my heart operation. I was told to check out the meds online, or check in with them. They are not perfect. Neither am I,
I ask questions and check online on a few sites that deal with these things.
 
You really can't make a blanket statement as, who is more trusted. Doctors or pharmacists. It depends on the individual. Plus, there area lot of false assumptions- for example- Pharmacists know more about drugs than doctors. Again, it depends entirely on the individual. But I would say Dr.s have an edge in that they see, first hand, the effects of the medication - something which pharmacists don't routinely see. This thread seems to question the competence of either doctors, or pharmacists. As an impartial Registered Nurse, there is no real animosity. Both are intent on making people well, and work as a team.
I would say that if you question your medication, learn about them. Everything is online.There is no reason why you can't be as knowledgeable about your meds, as any Dr. or Pharmacist.
 
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A website....Propublica.com...has been tracking the drug company "payoffs" to doctors for years. It is amazing to see the amount of money these drug companies pay doctors to overprescribe drugs. It seems that "under the table" money is more important to some doctors than the patients health.

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/
EXACTLY. They get kickbacks for selling drugs. They get no money for suggesting you eat well or take x supplements. In fact, they get no money for you being healthy and drug free.
 
Medications are the pharmacists only field while doctors need to be knowledgeable in many fields. I trust both but still ask Mr. Google about any new med.
 
I've noticed the "hand on the door knob, noted by Gaer" myself........Annoying to say the least.

For refill purposes my doc had to call me the other day, I swear he spent more time with me on the phone, than during office visits ??
 
EXACTLY. They get kickbacks for selling drugs. They get no money for suggesting you eat well or take x supplements. In fact, they get no money for you being healthy and drug free.


Very true !

A friend's mother lived to be 100/years-4/months. She took one aspirin in her entire life !.....Even her 3rd son [a doctor] said once well mom.....we never made much money off you...LOL.

I asked 3rd son once if he had any reasonable reason why? He said no, she just [even in her later years] passed every test given, and had only one headache [that was the aspirin] in her life. She died peacefully in her sleep.

Her husband on the other hand, [father of the five boys] died @ 63...cancer.
 
EXACTLY. They get kickbacks for selling drugs. They get no money for suggesting you eat well or take x supplements. In fact, they get no money for you being healthy and drug free.
There are examples at both ends of this spectrum.

You hear stories of those in assisted living in a quasi-vegetative state, and when they get weaned off their meds for an upcoming operation, suddenly their old selves are back! It's the stuff of paranoid nightmares...institutionally doped into complicity.

On the other end of the spectrum, in the past couple of years I've seen a cardiologist and his Fellow at one practice, and a cardiologist at another practice. All three of them told me to "go vegan," or to eat a "plant-based diet." We could argue the relative merits of that advice, but not a single one of them asked a single question about anything that I eat. There was no evaluation of my dietary habits...just "Go vegan, young man" right out of the gate as the conversation starter. One visit was a referral for cholesterol that's high if untreated. The other was when I went in after having a small stroke (TIA), cause unknown. I don't have heart issues or blocked arteries or high blood pressure...those are all fine. They don't make money from giving that advice, but it's not really informed advice for a specific patient, nor is it detailed enough. There's way more to a life-sustaining diet than just "eat plant-based." It felt more ideology-driven than medical.

That doctor I had for 25 years had a bunch of lifestyle questionnaires as part of my annual physical, including diet. At least that had some data behind the advice, and always came out that I was reasonably balanced...as defined by that one-size-fits-all standards. When I quit drinking I went on a pretty extreme reparative supplement program arrived at by a lot of self-study. My doctor helped me tweak it. So there have been pockets of prevention-focus (this guy was a nephrologist.)

Some amount of the prescription drug problem is demand-pull. When I was first diagnosed with high cholesterol, I cut out all red meat and ate all sorts of whole grain and bean foods. I did this for 6 months. I pounded 20 points off of my cholesterol real fast, but I could not maintain that diet forever...I felt too deprived. So now I have the reasonably balanced diet I've always had and take statins to keep the numbers down, even though I could do it through sacrifice alone.

Then there are all these "talk to your doctor about" commercials that are on television because they work. We all know of the "If you don't prescribe it, someone else will" stories (personally, I don't think this excuses doctors.)

The people I feel sorry for in this mess are those who genuinely lack the capacity to evaluate the advice they are given and to make informed choices. It's the luck of the draw for them.
 
When I had a family doctor (regular M.D.), I trusted him 100%. No so with the health care providers I've encountered in recent years.
When it comes to them vs. pharmacists, I did have one experience a few years ago: when the pharmacist saw me fishing around in my wallet for cash to pay for a prescription, he advised me that there was a generic, over-the-counter substitute that was virtually the same and much less expensive. I don't know if he'd have done that if I'd had medicaid or insurance, but I appreciated his advice.
As health care providers often benefit from pharmaceutical companies when they prescribe the companies' products, I guess it wasn't surprising that this information was only given by the pharmacist and not the individual who wrote the prescription.
 
I've been seeing my doctor since the early 80's. She's very thorough and never rushes her patients. Of course, this means she is usually running late, but that doesn't bother me one bit.

The pharmacists where I get my medications are good with explaining how to take new meds, possible side effects, etc. They have a free service where you book an appointment with the pharmacist to help with working out a time-table as to when it's best to take specific meds.

edit to add .. my doctor has always had my back. She signed numerous forms for me over the years, and was extremely supportive during my difficult personal times. I wouldn't trade her for the world.
 

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