Dr. Walter Kempner's Fruit and Rice Diet Video
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Robb.hisself
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Hawkers selling new diets remind me of pot and pan salesmen. Something new that's not really new. New diets seem more like fads that come and go. I am waiting for someone to suggest a diet of air and water. Will have a big following, I am sure. 
Hawkers selling new diets remind me of pot and pan salesmen. Something new that's not really new. New diets seem more like fads that come and go. I am waiting for someone to suggest a diet of air and water. Will have a big following, I am sure.
Obviously, you did not watch the video because Dr. Walter Kempner's fruit and rice diet has been around since 1939 and has been tried-and-tested and proven to be very effective at treating various health conditions such as hypertension and certain forms of kidney disease. However, it's important to note that while the diet has proven its effectiveness at treating certain specific conditions, it may not be suitable for everyone. That having been said, I am on my 5th day of the Fruit and Rice Diet and I have noticed that my heart rate is now down from between 88 and 100 bpm to between 63 and 70 bpm.
hearlady
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Any diet will work if you stick to it. If you eat rice and fruit only and you have health improvements and no deficiencies then go for it.
I hope you check in periodically with your progress and thoughts.
I hope you check in periodically with your progress and thoughts.
Capt Lightning
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There was a popular comedy series called 'Peter Kay's Car Share' which had a spoof commercial radio station playing in his car. One advert was for a new diet where, "I can eat anything I want. I just have to avoid the foods that make me fat".
dilettante
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Darn, I thought I was getting something about the actor who played Colonel Klink on Hogan's Heroes.
Robb.hisself
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Generally I don't watch videos when posted to threads because it forces me to spend too much time on the site. If it's a 40 minute video then I am forced to spend 40 minutes on the OP. As I see it SF participants are just too lazy to write out the point they are trying to make. If I were to reply by posting another video and others did as well so the OP would have to view them all, I think you can see my point with respect to how long it would take to view all the responses. So writing the thread and the responses is better for everyone.
I notice in your response that you wrote out what the diet was, its purpose, and your experience with it. That would have been much better than the posted video. So why was the video necessary? Why was I supposed to waste my time viewing the video? The lesson for me is that next time someone posts a video as the thread I will just move on and ignore it. But, I have a hunch others do the same. So if you really want others to participate in your threads you might ask yourself just how much time can you fairly demand of others?
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I seriously doubt that just any diet would be as effective as Dr. Kempner's Fruit and Rice diet at successfully treating so many health conditions such as Hypertension, Kidney Disease, Heart Disease, and Diabetes.
How would you know that if you didn't watch the video?
That is your own personal choice and has nothing to do with me.
Why would you be asking me such a question? After all, I'm not responsible for choosing what you watch or don't watch.
Feel free to do so, I'm sure no one will try to stop you.
I make no demands of anyone, they are free to comment or not to comment. The choice is theirs.
hearlady
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Not just any, but many.
Murrmurr
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There was a guy who recommended that plus specific vitamin supplements. Air, water, and basic vitamins in pill form. He lived on those 3 things for something like 3 or 4 years, and then he died young.Hawkers selling new diets remind me of pot and pan salesmen. Something new that's not really new. New diets seem more like fads that come and go. I am waiting for someone to suggest a diet of air and water. Will have a big following, I am sure.
Crap, I don't remember his name. I remember he lived in southern Calif. near the beach. And he exercised a lot, and wrote a book about his air, water, vitamins and exercise regimen, and people literally snickered when it killed him.
Happyflowerlady
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I remember reading about this diet in some of the nutrition books that I have read, and it apparently worked really well, according to what i read. It seems like an odd diet, as far as not having a lot of variety in the food, and not that much protein content, but it has a proven history of working.
Robb.hisself
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How did they know that that is what killed him? If your genes are written to mean a short life, then that's the life it will be. No diet is going to change that. On the other hand if he choked on a vitamin pill that wouldn't be the fault of his diet either. Did anyone actually know his cause of death?
Really? What diet do you know of that is as fast and effective as the Fruit and rice Diet for treating critically ill patients, suffering from hypertension, kidney Disease, heart disease, and diabetes? Now, don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that the Fruit and Rice Diet is a better diet than the Mediterranean diet for the long haul. In fact, the Fruit and Rice Diet was never intended to be a permanent diet. It was designed to treat patients who were on their way to an early grave. So, be advised that I know perfectly well that the Mediterranean diet is a far better choice for a permanent diet because it is suitable for long-term adherence and incorporates a variety of healthy foods, including fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean proteins, and healthy fats.
Are you sure it wasn't Basil Brown? He was a British health food nut who got a lot of attention in the 1960s. I believe he died from vitamin A toxicity.
Murrmurr
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No, I'm sure it was an American, almost sure he was a Californian, and he was active in the late-70s, early 80's.
He wasn't world famous. More of a local celebrity who was written about in a few newspapers in L.A. and Sacramento. I remember the photos of him; about 5'10", real skinny, shaggy light brown hair, always wore a tank top, shorts and sandals.
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Murrmurr
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His vital organs shut down due to malnutrition.
hearlady
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I can see you are all about the Fruit and Rice diet so why would I try to answer your question?
I'm happy you found the answer for yourself. I always encourage people to do that.
Happyflowerlady
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One of the interesting things about how this diet worked for people is the story about Dr. Kempner administering this diet to people originally.
Kempner, born in Germany in 1903, came to America in the late 1930ās and worked at Duke University. Because it was so hard for people to stay on his diet, the way he administered it, they were watched closely and both verbally and physically abused when they did not follow the diet perfectly.
Information shows that Kempner yelled at his patients and also whipped some of them for not doing exactly what he told them. It is amazing that so many of the vegan doctors today publicly praise his diet, but they all do.
Apparently, people started out on nothing except plain cooked white rice, no salt or other seasoning, for every meal, until they showed some signs of recovery, and then they were allowed more foods, like the fruits and some sugar on the rice. If Kempner had to actually beat his patients with a riding crop to keep them on the diet, it must have been a traumatizing ordeal for them, and according to the Los Angeles Times article (from when he died), some of his patients even sued the doctor for this abusive treatment.
Here is a part of the report:
āWalter Kempner, known as the Rice Diet doctor, admitted in depositions before his death that he whipped patients who strayed from his diet, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported. Kempner, who died last month at 94, was sued in 1993 by former patient Sharon Ryan, who claimed that the doctor turned her into his āvirtual sex slaveā for 20 years, which Kempner and Duke University officials denied. The Germany native convinced about 20,000 patients to give up salt and fat for a menu of rice and fruit.ā
Even though the diet apparently worked well for many years, I do not think that I would have wanted to be part of his patients, and thankfully, the doctors promoting it today are much kinder to their patients.
Kempner, born in Germany in 1903, came to America in the late 1930ās and worked at Duke University. Because it was so hard for people to stay on his diet, the way he administered it, they were watched closely and both verbally and physically abused when they did not follow the diet perfectly.
Information shows that Kempner yelled at his patients and also whipped some of them for not doing exactly what he told them. It is amazing that so many of the vegan doctors today publicly praise his diet, but they all do.
Apparently, people started out on nothing except plain cooked white rice, no salt or other seasoning, for every meal, until they showed some signs of recovery, and then they were allowed more foods, like the fruits and some sugar on the rice. If Kempner had to actually beat his patients with a riding crop to keep them on the diet, it must have been a traumatizing ordeal for them, and according to the Los Angeles Times article (from when he died), some of his patients even sued the doctor for this abusive treatment.
Here is a part of the report:
āWalter Kempner, known as the Rice Diet doctor, admitted in depositions before his death that he whipped patients who strayed from his diet, The News & Observer of Raleigh reported. Kempner, who died last month at 94, was sued in 1993 by former patient Sharon Ryan, who claimed that the doctor turned her into his āvirtual sex slaveā for 20 years, which Kempner and Duke University officials denied. The Germany native convinced about 20,000 patients to give up salt and fat for a menu of rice and fruit.ā
Even though the diet apparently worked well for many years, I do not think that I would have wanted to be part of his patients, and thankfully, the doctors promoting it today are much kinder to their patients.
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In other words, you don't know. Fair enough!
I guess that's where the expression 'whipped them into shape' comes from.
StarSong
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I've occasionally used a modified version of Dr. Kempner's fruit and rice diet to pull off a few pounds. I replace some of the fruit with vegetables, add a couple of TBSP of ground flax seed each day, and sometimes substitute oatmeal or brown rice for the white rice, and might sneak in a little chocolate now and then, but otherwise stay pretty true.
In October I gained 4 lbs during my 10 day Maui vacation. Went on this diet for a little over a week and was back to my pre-vacation weight.
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StarSong
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He had them sign agreements in advance that there would be corporal punishment if they didn't follow the diet precisely.
Current doctors and nutritionists who praise the diet and its proven effectiveness add the caveat that they disagree with his punishment tactics.
According to Wikipedia (bold emphasis is mine),
Kempner admitted in statements before his death that he whipped patients who avoided his rice diet. In 1993, a former patient Sharon Ryan sued him.[3] Ryan accused Kempner of keeping her as a "virtual sex slave" for nearly two decades.[3] According to the lawsuit, Kempner "persuaded Ryan to drop out of college, moved her into a home he owned, hired her to work for the clinic, and maintained a sexual relationship with Ryan by isolating her from the outside world".[4] The lawsuit ended with a confidential settlement.[5] In 1997, the Raleigh News & Observer reported that, by 1975, Duke University Medical Center (now Duke University Hospital), knew that Kempner had used a riding crop on several patients and reprimanded him, though he continued to be associated with the university.[4]
None of these charges were proven in court. Dr Kempner denied the accusations of having a sexual relationship with this patient. [6] " Dr Kempner had whipped this patient on several occasions, and had also whipped several other patients in an effort to motivate them. In all instances, the patients had either themselves suggested or had consented in advance to this punishment for breaking the diet" [7] These events received a great deal of sensationalist media attention.