Dropping the A-Bomb

When I was in college, I wrote my thesis on weaponry used in today's military back in 1984. The internet had not yet become anything near what it is today, but there was some helpful information that I could use, along with the scores of other knowledge that I obtained from other sources, including the Encyclopedia Britannica. I also wrote to different physicists, which only a few returned answers to my questions, personal interviews with Generals and Admirals and being that I was a student at the Naval Academy, I did have some luck in getting a 15 minute interview with the Joint Chief of Staff, General John Vessey, Jr. We met inside the Pentagon.

When I included the atomic bomb and different nuclear weapons in my thesis, I faced a stumbling block because back then, so much of the information was listed as classified and was not available to the public. It was really a very difficult job getting good information from those people in the know. I really enjoyed writing about these types of weapons, especially the A-Bomb. It really peaked my interest, being that it happened way back in 1945 when nuclear weapons were only thought of seriously in comic books, but then became reality. I mostly interested in the A-bomb. mainly because it had been used in a war and there was more information available about the bomb.

The main question that I never received a straight forward answer to was, "Why did President Truman decide to drop the A-Bomb?" In my opinion, I had received three more probable and credible answers. One was that Truman was in a hurry to end the war. Second answer was that Truman thought by dropping the bombs and ending the war would save American lives on the seas and the battlefield and the third answer was by dropping the bombs, Truman felt it would make the U.S. look like the military giant of the world and that no other country would attempt to go to war with the U.S. He hated the idea of continuing to bomb Japanese owned islands and even trying to invade Japan by storming the beaches.

I did receive other lesser credible answers. I thought some of the answers were more like an opinion. Here are a few. By dropping the bombs, it would save both U.S. military lives as well as Japanese lives. How could that be? The bomb dropped in Hiroshima killed at least 80,000 just after impact. Over 100,000 Japanese lives were lost between the two bombs that were dropped. Truman wasn't concerned about saving Japanese lives. Another answer received was that by dropping the bombs, the U.S. would be the country where every industry would want to set up shop and be a lifetime partner due to our military strength. That initially did happen for several years before Japan and then China became more industrialized than the U.S.

Here is a very good link provided by the Britannica that explains how the A-Bomb became a game changer un WWII.

Atomic Bomb
The tacticians of the time estimated that by using these bombs, more than 1 million lives were saved in the long run. Truman wrestled with this problem before giving the go ahead and, he stated, that, he alone, had to live with this decision for the rest of his life. I was 12 years old at the time and while we were appalled at his decision, conversely, we were much relieved that it brought an end to that miserable war.

Until mankind ultimately destroys himself, we will be slaves to this horrendous development and misuse of nuclear power, in my opinion.
 
@dko1951 , I believe I was about that same age when I read "Hiroshima". I recall how horrifying it was. I asked my mother why we did that and why couldn't we have ended that war another way...

She told me our planes dropped flyers, warnings, pamphlets all over Japan warning something terrible was to come if they didn't surrender.
It is a sad realization that mankind will never evolve to a place of understanding that war is not the answer. Isn't it weird that we all know that and those in power do also, but for those in power it's what keeps them rich and powerful.
 
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I had one of those, or something like it. Had a lot of fun with it. And I have given the grandkids toy guns, laser tag things and nerf guns. As I get older though I have to think about how wise it is to play at killing people...

I guess I had no trouble sorting out the play from reality, or don't think I did, so maybe its ok. Don't know.
 
I had one of those, or something like it. Had a lot of fun with it. And I have given the grandkids toy guns, laser tag things and nerf guns. As I get older though I have to think about how wise it is to play at killing people...

I guess I had no trouble sorting out the play from reality, or don't think I did, so maybe its ok. Don't know.
Yeah, I played army and cowboys and Indians when I was child and then I grew up and realized it was not what TV, the news and the movies made it out to be. I would like to think I may have evolved morally and philosophically, though I do realize I am still a work in process.
 
This is the saddest thread I've ever read on here.
As man prepares in the minds for wars, so it is these wars are manifested into reality.
If the world readies for demise, demise will come.
If the path of thought changes and humans send love from their hearts, the
course of Earth will change.
If each soul sent blessings into the atmosphere for all humankind,
wars would cease.
Mankind must move in an entirely new direction. This has to be done!
 
If this doesn't give you pause, then the human race is doomed.
In a shocking turn of events on Wednesday, the Department of Health and Human Services announced the purchase of Amgen’s anti-radiation drug Nplate to the tune of $290 million.
For those who don't know, Amgen’s Nplate drug is a "magic potion" that promises to reduce the impact of nuclear contamination on the body., which begs the question... why now since the money has been available, but unused from the 2004 project bioshield act?
What is the sudden urgency?
 
I have often wondered if people realized that a third bomb was going to dropped over Japan in the city of Kokura with Tokyo being listed as the alternate.
The plane was over Los Angeles when it was recalled because Japan agreed to surrender.
 
The current nukes are many times stronger than those used in Japan. The bomb is a deterrent to itself in many ways. If it were used by say Russia against any European country, Russia would also suffer from the fallout. And an all-out war, besides killing millions on both sides, could result in so much dust and fallout as to create a nuclear winter that could doom all people. Probably the bigger risk would be from smaller rogue nations like N. Korea, that really don't seem to care about how much their own people suffer much less the people of other nations - and even in that case, the US would probably (or hopefully) refrain from a nuclear retaliation but rather use conventional weapons so as to spare other neighboring nations.
 
My Father, along with 500,000 other US soldiers and Navy, prepared to invade Japan. WW II in the Pacific, was expected to continue into 1946, 1947.

If the US fought the Japanese on their homeland, predicted deaths would be 1..3M Japanese and 300,000...1M Americans. In the invasion all of Japan would be destroyed.

The Atomic bombings were the best and fastest option to end the War in the Pacific, started by the fanatic Japanese military, Tojo and Emperor Hirohito.

Thanks to American military and the development of nuclear weapons, we had peace since WWII, and only a tiny fraction of the predicted deaths to end the War in the Pacific.

from an optimist in the nuclear age


Jon
 
I was in Hiroshima in 2004. My employer sent me and others to Tahara for 5 weeks on business, and one weekend four of us decided to take the bullet train to Hiroshima. We took photos of each other in front of the Genbaku Dome. Although we didn’t say to each other at the time, somehow didn’t seem right to take photos of each other in that way. When we later looked at the photos, none of us were smiling.

We went to the Peace Park & rang the large bell there. Then went into the museum at the park, and saw a mock-up of the bomb. Then as we walked through the museum we saw wax works of people of all ages, portraying the aftermath of the bomb with skin that seemed to be dripping from their bodies. No one in the museum regardless of nationality said a word or made a sound. It was the quietest museum I’ve ever been to.

Then off we went to the Peace Memorial Hall, we saw some horrific photo images & videos there.
 
The current nukes are many times stronger than those used in Japan. The bomb is a deterrent to itself in many ways. If it were used by say Russia against any European country, Russia would also suffer from the fallout. And an all-out war, besides killing millions on both sides, could result in so much dust and fallout as to create a nuclear winter that could doom all people. Probably the bigger risk would be from smaller rogue nations like N. Korea, that really don't seem to care about how much their own people suffer much less the people of other nations - and even in that case, the US would probably (or hopefully) refrain from a nuclear retaliation but rather use conventional weapons so as to spare other neighboring nations.
We have all kinds of nukes today. Fission nukes, fusion nukes and then we have nukes using different sources of radioactive materials. Some nukes can blow up half of Europe while others can be made to only blow up a small area. It all depends on what a country’s agenda is. I can’t help to think to myself how stupid people really are when they make statements like “We should just nuke them.” If these idiots even saw what a Sidewinder or a Stinger is capable of, maybe it would enlighten them, but I doubt it.
 
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A quote from the late 1950's: "I don't know who will win World War III, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein

More quotes....

"I am become death, destroyer of worlds"
R. Robert Oppenheimer quotes the B'havid Gita at the July 16 1945 success of Trinity.

"Why, Mr. President I'm not sayin we won't get our hair messed up, but I can guarantee, no more than 15 to 20 million deaths " George C. Scott to Peter Sellers, in the Pentagon war Room in the great 1963 Kubrick film, "Dr. Strangelove"

"Mr. President, I CAN WALK!", Peter Sellers as Dr Strangelove.

Serious Book...

"On Thermonuclear War...Thinking the Unthinkable"
The 1953 classic book on cold war/nuclear war strategy by Dr Herman Kahn, RAND Corp.

From an optimist in the nuclear age

Jon
 
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