E15 gasoline

Don M.

Don M.

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The government is proposing to increase the percentage of Ethanol, at the gas pumps, to 15%, in coming months....so as to help reduce the cost of fuel. While that may sound good, on the surface, it would have little effect, IMO. While the price per gallon might be a bit lower, Ethanol reduces the vehicles fuel mileage....so the cost, per mile, would remain virtually the same. Plus. the added Ethanol can cause damage to older cars engines, and lawn mowers, etc.

https://news.yahoo.com/know-e15-ethanol-fuel-ahead-141648658.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

I use Ethanal free fuel in all my outdoor power equipment....mowers, chainsaws, etc. It may wind up costing me 5 or 10 dollars a year more, but substantially reduces the chances of engine damage....which would cost Much More.
 

Welcome to the world of Renewables. The legislation was passed back in 2005 and upgraded in 2007. It basically states that X amount of bio fuels must be used regardless of gasoline consumed. That was fine and dandy at the time, and the RINs system was established. The backlog of RINs has nearly depleted. With that depletion, the RINs are trading higher and the penalties are now being assessed... which is passed on to the consumer.

Most states have discontinued labeling of pumps regarding ethanol and went with the 10% mix. There is only one location near me that has gasoline without ethanol and it is a farm supply station. They are more frequent around boat docks, etc.
 
That's another good reason to transition to electric lawn equipment and even vehicles. Less air pollution, less noise, less maintenance... just a bit more expensive, but after a few years, they can pay for themselves with savings.
 

Electric cars - the biggest scam the world has ever seen.
Has anyone thought about this? "If all cars were electric...

What would you do if you were stuck in a three-hour traffic jam in the bitter cold of a snowstorm? The batteries would die completely. Then, there is basically no heating in the electric car, so therefore, I'm stuck on the street all night no battery, no heating, no windshield wipers, no radio, no gps, battery long dead.
You can try to call the ambulance and protect the women and children but they can't come to your rescue because all the roads are clogged and probably all emergency vehicles will be electric.
Now, when the roads are clogged by hundred's of parked cars, no one can progress. How do you recharge batteries on site?

The same problem is that there are miles and miles of traffic jams during summer vacation. It would not be possible to turn on the AC in an electric car except for a very short period of time. Your batteries would die in an instant!

Of course no politician or journalist is talking about this, but it’s coming.

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SeniorBen said:
That's another good reason to transition to electric lawn equipment and even vehicles. Less air pollution, less noise, less maintenance... just a bit more expensive, but after a few years, they can pay for themselves with savings.
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Yes, someone living in a city neighborhood would see some advantage to electric mowers and trimmers. However, we live on 40 acres in the country, and I keep about 1.5 acres mowed around the house....it takes me several hours. If I had to go electric, I would need to buy a half dozen spare batteries, and probably 2 chargers.

As for electric cars....until they can be charged in minutes, and have a range of 250+ miles....No Way! I might consider a compact hybrid SUV in the future, but that's it. EV's are only practical for city use, and then Only if the person has a charging station in their garage.
 
Adding alcohol to gasoline to reduce our use of petroleum is wishful thinking at best.

The alcohol is made from corn. Which means growing corn on an industrial scale, using farm machinery running on petroleum based fuels - plowing and seeding and harvesting the fields. And using fertilizers which are also mostly made from oil. Then the corn has to be transported to the factory to be made into into alcohol - transported by trucks burning diesel to a factory that uses lots of energy. Then the alcohol has to be transported to the oil refinery where it is added to gasoline.

So, we have done all of that, using energy every step of the way, to produce fuel to burn for energy. I wonder if we are using more energy to produce the alcohol than we get back by burning it.

And of course, all the farmland growing corn for fuel is no longer producing food.
 
Don M. said:
The government is proposing to increase the percentage of Ethanol, at the gas pumps, to 15%, in coming months....so as to help reduce the cost of fuel.
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If going to 15% ethanol would cut prices the oil companies would do it without the need for government involvement. I think it is already allowed in all but summer months.

Except maybe to require labeling and for air quality reasons I believe the government needs to stay out of this. Oil companies will go with what sells at the lowest possible prices.
 
Don M. said:
40 acres in the country, and I keep about 1.5 acres mowed around the house....it takes me several hours. If I had to go electric, I would need to buy a half dozen spare batteries, and probably 2 chargers
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I also only mow the lawn around the house and paths to destinations (gates, barns, water hydrants) around the property, but I've switched to an electric mower. I have three batteries and one charger, three batteries last longer than I do these days. The problem with the electric mower is that it is wimpy on tall grass and weeds, so I have to have a gas powered walk behind string trimmer for that. But once I've 'cleared' the way with the trimmer, the electric mower can maintain.
I especially like the lack of fumes with the electric mower.
 
HoneyNut said:
I also only mow the lawn around the house and paths to destinations (gates, barns, water hydrants) around the property, but I've switched to an electric mower.
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Yes, if you only mow a limited area, an electric mower would probably work well. I mow a bunch...I have a Husqvarna riding mower with a 48" deck, a Toro self propelled 22" mower to go around the dozens of trees, and a 60" brush hog that I hook up to my Kubota tractor to maintain our walking trail through the forest. When mowing season is in full swing, I can spend 5 or 6 hours a week mowing, then another couple of hours trimming around the trees, garden, driveway, etc. with my Stihl trimmers....I have 2 of those. Actually, I love mowing and trimming.
 

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