EMP: the enemy of our electric power grid
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debodun
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I think if there was a nuclear attack, electric power would not be the first concern of most people.
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Knight
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The grid as you have posted about is vulnerable. Those massive towers carrying power to substations aren't replaceable overnight. No power to substations no power to homes & businesses.
As for EMP a system of rerouting power least this seems to address distribution
are electric utilities capable of rerouting power - Bing
I haven't read anything about transmission power lines
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I just post information from various sources and don't lose sleep about anyone reading or not reading anything about transmission power lines.
I was going to post unaffected equipment in structures taken off the national grid would be all military and mission critical structures connected by EMP resistant underground cables, the cross continent undersea cables and major hospitals and allied medical facilities with massive EMP resistant reinforced underground rooms containing massive amounts of life sustaining medical equipment including oxygen and regular air. These underground bunkers also have the capability to have surgery performed in them. Good day.
www.thompsonpowersystems.com/resources/blog/requirements-of-hospital-generators/
www.appliedpowerengineering.com/blog/hospital-backup-generator-requirements
I was going to post unaffected equipment in structures taken off the national grid would be all military and mission critical structures connected by EMP resistant underground cables, the cross continent undersea cables and major hospitals and allied medical facilities with massive EMP resistant reinforced underground rooms containing massive amounts of life sustaining medical equipment including oxygen and regular air. These underground bunkers also have the capability to have surgery performed in them. Good day.
www.thompsonpowersystems.com/resources/blog/requirements-of-hospital-generators/
www.appliedpowerengineering.com/blog/hospital-backup-generator-requirements
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Lilac
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@Knight & @nyctrasit5950, I remember how long it took to get power back up in SW Ohio when Hurricane Ike went through in 2008. We found out real quick that no one carries a decent supply of transformers locally just to be used for weather emergencies. They had to ship those in & we had to wait for five days for our power to come back just on our road. I worked with others that had no power at their homes for about 10 days to two weeks. Electrical supplies are like any other company that practices just-in-time-manufacturing/storage.
I don't even want to think of how long it would take for the larger electrical components that would need replaced from weather damage let alone an EMP. The sun could cause a bad EMP, but an intentional EMP could cover massive areas of the US.
One Second After is good book for someone who isn't familiar with what could be possible during an intentional attack. Yes, it's a fictional story, but it should make you think about the what if's.
I don't even want to think of how long it would take for the larger electrical components that would need replaced from weather damage let alone an EMP. The sun could cause a bad EMP, but an intentional EMP could cover massive areas of the US.
One Second After is good book for someone who isn't familiar with what could be possible during an intentional attack. Yes, it's a fictional story, but it should make you think about the what if's.
Perhaps you should start posting some comments about your links so 1) we know where you stand and 2) we don't have to watch the entire video to get the gist of it. You've made it clear that you don't care whether anyone reads about it but you've given us nothing to read.
If this is something that might really affect our lives you should make a statement about it.I, for one, am not just going to watch some random video that someone posts without an explanation at to why I should watch it.
Knight
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The Op might have taken my post the wrong way. I don't know if most are aware that there is a difference between transmission lines & distribution lines. Distribution lines are the lines that deliver electricity to homes & businesses. Those most if not all utilities have instituted systems to work around outages.
The problem as I see it. Those massive towers are typically routed thru remote areas. Depending on the route, the height of those towers is really critical. Try to imagine a hole 8ft. round 24ft. deep to be filled with concrete to hold just one tower. The time to dig, to place the anchor rods, time for the cement to cure. Then deliver the tower materials to be assembled on site.
Now once that is done the crews come in to hang the insulators. Next comes pulling the wire thru. Since the wire doesn't come in miles & miles in length sections have to be spliced together. Not just any old length but specified what is called "droop" between each of those towers. Hard to believe that it is critical but it is for cold & heat that impacts contraction & expansion due to cold or heat. Having everything planned, all the manpower & materials ready it takes months to get just one transmission line built to deliver power to a substation
Now think about the way cold weather has impacted l those states recently. Think about no way to monitor those transmission lines that cross remote areas. Remember those millions of immigrants that crossed the border? Who really knows what expertise they came in with? It took only 17 terrorists on 9/11.
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Well I asked for this and I broke my own rule. Those here that really know me expect a post to be read or ignored and maintain a constructive dialog but that's not a hard and fast rule. I very rarely hold a conversation with people I am not familiar with but just a subject heading to be read or ignored. Their choice. Now on to other things. GOD Bless.
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Lilac
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@Knight, I didn't know what prep it took in order to install one of those towers & really hadn't thought about it. Every time we drive through the Appalachian mountains or the rolling hills in NE Ohio, you see these massive towers. My thought at first was how much work it took just to get to the site to work with all of the surrounding trees.
And I agree with you about who is in our country that we know nothing about or what they are capable of. The what-if's that could happen with them worries me when I think about it. Sadly, there are people either who ignore, don't care, don't think or just blow everything off thinking nothing will happen.