Ethical decisions for me and my sister during inheritance

Update: just got an email from my sister in which she mentioned her current struggles getting the inheritance taken care of (not the bank account, but the stocks). She is really spending a lot of time and energy on it, still not finished, due to mistakes by brokerage house. At this point I plan on not mentioning the account, and I have a feeling she will disburse it.
 

I will third what Brookswood and MackTexas said. We've already put my son on the house deed and added him as joint owner on our bank accts -- he didn't have to know or sign anything. We're having our bonds gradually put into out saving account. It all should be fairly simple for him.
I am not sure adding a child to accounts and property is a good idea. I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, if that child does something bad that incurs a huge financial penalty, the injured party can use the legal system to take your accounts and house Since they also belong to your child. All of it. Be careful.
 
I am not sure adding a child to accounts and property is a good idea. I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, if that child does something bad that incurs a huge financial penalty, the injured party can use the legal system to take your accounts and house Since they also belong to your child. All of it. Be careful.
You are right. Adding the son's name to the house deed is a wrong move. Once the parents pass, the son gets the house, but he can't raise the tax base to the current value, because technically he has been a co-owner of the house, hence it's not an inherentence. Please Google or watch YouTube, it's well explained by many experts there.
 

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This is my understanding.
If your sister was only an authorized signer on the account, the remaining funds don't belong to her after your mom's passing.
However, if the account was held jointly, then all your sister needs is a death certificate to become the sole owner of the account.
If there are POD (Payable On Death) beneficiaries, they are only entitled to the funds after the owner (Your sister) passes. They can be removed at any time by your sister.
A will won't change the ownership of the account or it's funds, with the possible exception of a Will or Trust explicitly stating that your mom's half of the account was to go to specified people (But only her half). The POD beneficiaries are not that. They are the beneficiaries after the new owner of the account is deceased.
If your sister is a reasonable person, and she truly values your relationship, and she believes it's what you mother would have wanted, then perhaps a heart-to-heart talk may be more successful than a confrontation, as she is under no obligation.
 
Update: just got an email from my sister in which she mentioned her current struggles getting the inheritance taken care of (not the bank account, but the stocks). She is really spending a lot of time and energy on it, still not finished, due to mistakes by brokerage house.
Is an estate lawyer not involved? I have just gone through this for a year (and yes, it absolutely took a whole year) and although the attorney fees were what you'd expect (devilishly high), they did not close the estate until every single avenue was used to be sure nothing was outstanding. And watch for glitches... my sibs and I lost 30K to a former widowed sister-in-law because of a stupid loophole that hadn't been closed.
 
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I am not sure adding a child to accounts and property is a good idea. I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, if that child does something bad that incurs a huge financial penalty, the injured party can use the legal system to take your accounts and house Since they also belong to your child. All of it. Be careful.
Well I suppose the same thing could happen if my husband or I did anything bad and actually my husband would be far more likely to get in legal trouble than my son or I.
 
Is an estate lawyer not involved? I have just gone through this for a year (and yes, it absolutely took a whole year) and although the attorney fees were what you'd expect (devilishly high), they did not close the estate until every single avenue was used to be sure nothing was outstanding. And watch for glitches... my sibs and I lost 30K to a former widowed sister-in-law because of a stupid loophole that hadn't been closed.
The executor, my sister's husband, is a lawyer, but not an estate lawyer. This has been going on for a year already, too !
 
I am not sure adding a child to accounts and property is a good idea. I am not a lawyer, but as I understand it, if that child does something bad that incurs a huge financial penalty, the injured party can use the legal system to take your accounts and house Since they also belong to your child. All of it. Be careful.
That's true. A Payable on Death (POD) account would circumvent that risk, since a POD designation only takes effect upon the account holder's death, meaning the beneficiary has no access or rights to the account during the owner's lifetime.

If a Senior needs an adult child to manage their bank account while still living, a Power of Attorney would also preempt such risks, since a POA only grants someone the authority to manage your financial affairs, but does not transfer ownership of your assets to them. Therefore, a judgment against them does not automatically allow creditors to seize your assets
 
This is my understanding.
If your sister was only an authorized signer on the account, the remaining funds don't belong to her after your mom's passing.
However, if the account was held jointly, then all your sister needs is a death certificate to become the sole owner of the account.
If there are POD (Payable On Death) beneficiaries, they are only entitled to the funds after the owner (Your sister) passes. They can be removed at any time by your sister.
A will won't change the ownership of the account or it's funds, with the possible exception of a Will or Trust explicitly stating that your mom's half of the account was to go to specified people (But only her half). The POD beneficiaries are not that. They are the beneficiaries after the new owner of the account is deceased.
If your sister is a reasonable person, and she truly values your relationship, and she believes it's what you mother would have wanted, then perhaps a heart-to-heart talk may be more successful than a confrontation, as she is under no obligation.
Ref: the part in red - I'm not distputing your point, but it seems that even the amount of mom's "half" could be challenged in court if the account had deposits and withdrawals by either account holder after the date of the Will.
 
Update: just got an email from my sister in which she mentioned her current struggles getting the inheritance taken care of (not the bank account, but the stocks). She is really spending a lot of time and energy on it, still not finished, due to mistakes by brokerage house. At this point I plan on not mentioning the account, and I have a feeling she will disburse it.
Well that's good, either way.
 
You are right. Adding the son's name to the house deed is a wrong move. Once the parents pass, the son gets the house, but he can't raise the tax base to the current value, because technically he has been a co-owner of the house, hence it's not an inherentence. Please Google or watch YouTube, it's well explained by many experts there.
OUCH! I didn’t even think of the tax consequences. That could cost the child a lot of money in income taxes when the house is sold. Thanks for the heads up.
 
Ref: the part in red - I'm not distputing your point, but it seems that even the amount of mom's "half" could be challenged in court if the account had deposits and withdrawals by either account holder after the date of the Will.
Well, it does get sticky, and I'm no legal authority, but I would think that it would depend on how the account was set up. If it was set up with Rights of Survivorship, then it clearly shows the intent was to leave the entire balance to the other joint owner. However, if it doesn't state that, and there is any evidence at all that the mother intended to leave her half to her other children, then it may have standing in court (Assuming there is a will explicitly stating that, and a witness or two to validate the mom's intentions). IDK

As for deposits after the date of the will (Assuming there is one), I would imagine that the court would take that into consideration regarding percentages, but they may also look at it as community property no matter who made the deposits, or dates made. Courts don't all agree on their rulings, and can even vary according to state laws. You make an interesting point though.
 
You are right. Adding the son's name to the house deed is a wrong move. Once the parents pass, the son gets the house, but he can't raise the tax base to the current value, because technically he has been a co-owner of the house, hence it's not an inherentence. Please Google or watch YouTube, it's well explained by many experts there.
I don't understand. If it's not an inheritance he won't have to pay inheritance tax. Why would he want to raise the tax base? He would not want to sell the house. He already lives with us, this is his home. To be perfectly honest I want it this way because my fear is that I might die first (I'm oldest) and then my husband would be sole owner. He is not my son's father. He would probably remarry and the new young wife may want him to kick my son out.
 
Well, it does get sticky, and I'm no legal authority, but I would think that it would depend on how the account was set up. If it was set up with Rights of Survivorship, then it clearly shows the intent was to leave the entire balance to the other joint owner. However, if it doesn't state that, and there is any evidence at all that the mother intended to leave her half to her other children, then it may have standing in court (Assuming there is a will explicitly stating that, and a witness or two to validate the mom's intentions). IDK

As for deposits after the date of the will (Assuming there is one), I would imagine that the court would take that into consideration regarding percentages, but they may also look at it as community property no matter who made the deposits, or dates made. Courts don't all agree on their rulings, and can even vary according to state laws. You make an interesting point though.
I see what you're saying. Not only the complications of wording in the Will, but how any bank accounts were set up, and then how the Court may interpret the matter as a whole, and if that decision gets challenged.

This situation reminds me of what happened over 20 years ago in my family. My paternal grandmother had 9 children, but in her final days, only 1 of those lived with her and took care of her, so she left all her money, her farm, and family home to that one child.

She had one of the finest attorneys in her community draw up her Will, but it was nonetheless challenged by the other surviving children in a court case that lasted 8 years. The Will was eventually overturned, and her estate was distributed equally to all her children, meaning the home and farm had to be liquidated. After attorney fees, each heir got less than $25,000.
 
I have been through this. My older sister (4 years older than me) lived in the same area as my parents. We lived about 2300 miles away but did spend a week or two every summer with my parents. I have a good relationship with my sister. After my father died my mother met with my sister and me. We discussed what her expectations for us when she passed. Part of that discussion was who gets what.

She had a cabin on a lake where they lived in retirement and about $200, 000 in investments. The cabin was valued around $250,000 at the time mom passed. Our direction was that it was to be split 50/50 and if we could not agree with the value of the cabin, we were to sell it. Years later when that happened my sister and I decided to do nothing until the cabin sold. My sister lived in the same area, and she was a real estate agent in the area. The sale went fairly quickly, and we proceeded to split the proceeds 50/50! I of course let my sister take the normal fees related to listing and selling a property. It all went very well...
 
I see what you're saying. Not only the complications of wording in the Will, but how any bank accounts were set up, and then how the Court may interpret the matter as a whole, and if that decision gets challenged.

This situation reminds me of what happened over 20 years ago in my family. My paternal grandmother had 9 children, but in her final days, only 1 of those lived with her and took care of her, so she left all her money, her farm, and family home to that one child.

She had one of the finest attorneys in her community draw up her Will, but it was nonetheless challenged by the other surviving children in a court case that lasted 8 years. The Will was eventually overturned, and her estate was distributed equally to all her children, meaning the home and farm had to be liquidated. After attorney fees, each heir got less than $25,000.
Wow .... What a nightmare!
Yes, I remember reading up on wills about 10 years ago, and the article said that in a case where you have more than one child, and you intended to leave everything to only one, it is vital that you state in the will the names of the other children and that you are not leaving anything to them. Otherwise, it could be interpreted that it might have been an oversight, or perhaps you weren't thinking clearly, or it was done under duress, etc...
The puzzling thing here though is that the will you mentioned was drawn up by a very competent attorney. I would be interested to find out why the eventual ruling was overturned.
 
Wow .... What a nightmare!
Yes, I remember reading up on wills about 10 years ago, and the article said that in a case where you have more than one child, and you intended to leave everything to only one, it is vital that you state in the will the names of the other children and that you are not leaving anything to them. Otherwise, it could be interpreted that it might have been an oversight, or perhaps you weren't thinking clearly, or it was done under duress, etc...
The puzzling thing here though is that the will you mentioned was drawn up by a very competent attorney. I would be interested to find out why the eventual ruling was overturned.
It had to do with "undue influence" from the one child that the Will favored.

[I didn't know about it being "vital that you state in the Will the names of the other children and that you are not leaving anything to them," - or if she did that or not. I hope if anyone reading this thread has several children, but are not including some of them in their will, that they will check to see if all is in order.]
 


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