Ethnic Humor, racial 'jokes'

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I was watching 20/20 last night and they had a report about Vester Flanagan, the man who murdered the 2 newscasters in Roanoke, VA then killed himself.

First of all, it was clear to me that this guy had problems at every job he worked at…..problems getting along with people, confrontations, feelings of being persecuted and ridiculed because he was black and gay.

Of course, we don’t know all the details of every incident, but they told of two:

There was going to be some kind of luncheon and Vester walked in and saw an ice chest with a watermelon on top of it. He flew into a rage and complained about it being racist. (huh?)

Victim Alison Parker mentioned that a friend of hers lived on Cotton Hill Drive. Vester felt she was making a racist joke. (huh?)

I personally don’t see any racism whatsoever in either of those incidents.

However:

April 1968: It was my senior year in high school. My older brother worked in a factory. A few days after MLK assassination he was in the cafeteria and heard one of the upper echelon managers telling a joke that included the “N” word. My brother marched up to the president’s office and complained. The man was called in, as were several witnesses. The man apologized, but my brother didn’t accept it, and the man was fired on the spot.

Sometimes people say “well, blacks use the “N” word themselves.” Yes, some do, and most black people will tell you they don’t like that either.

I once called out a co-worker who had a habit of making pejorative remarks about Jewish people. I know of some incidents that were clearly racist, and I know of some which were taken to be racist but (imo) were not. People need to be careful – one never knows who someone is married to, friends with, etc. And one can’t always be categorized by the way they look.

How about you? Do you let a racist remark/slur slide or do you openly object to it?
 

I currently work/have worked for public L.E.agencies since the mid 80s, and can't recall the last time a racial joke or slur was made. However, I have had co-workers that possessed covert racist 'tendencies' that are not too hard to figure out.
 

Think like a Lunatic

"I personally don’t see any racism whatsoever in either of those incidents"

Of course not, because to the sensible mind, nothing there was amiss. This guy's mind functioned in ways beyond our comprehension. Perhaps Ms. Shalimar will give a better definition, as my own are sadly deficient. imp
 
Only people who were acquainted with, worked with, and professionally (medically) examined Flanagan can address the possible functioning of his mind – but I’m not really looking for that. Anyway, he’s gone.

As far as watermelons, there are situations where they can be used as the basis for ethnic humor. I do not feel that the incident described above was meant as a racist joke - I already stated that. It goes without saying that having a watermelon in your refrigerator is not racist or illegal - if so they would not be openly sold.

That aside, I think that anyone reading this has, at some time, been in a situation where a racist remark/'joke' is made. What I asked was this:
Do you let a racist remark/slur slide or do you openly object to it?
 
"Do you let a racist remark/slur slide or do you openly object to it?"

I will not respond to a racist remark, wherever it be directed, outwardly. I WILL consider inwardly, the ignorance probable of the initiator. imp
 
How about you? Do you let a racist remark/slur slide or do you openly object to it?

I have to say I never hung out with people who were racists, but I did work in a blue collar environment for decades. It was male dominated (don't know if that matters), and there were outsiders coming into the plant on a daily basis...so there were people from all over, many truck drivers from many states, who liked to stop in and get a laugh with my coworkers with jokes that were either sexist or racist.

I never made a big stink over anything, or made a scene in front of a large crowd, but I did openly object to conversations or jokes like that when just a couple of people were in earshot. I was actually asked a few times over the years that someone had a really funny joke to tell me, do I have a problem with race/sex jokes...then I give them a little more than an ear full, and make it clear that not only I wasn't wanting to hear their joke, but they needed to take that crap out of the building. They generally shut up pretty quickly, and apologized.
 
There is a large population (biggest in BC,) of First Nation people in my town. Some of our locals work in the mill about 30 minutes north of here. While most are not intolerant, some are antideluvian rednecks. Many times, especially while my children were growing up, I found myself listening to what purported to be humour, ie smoked salmon jokes, delivered in a supposedly First Nation dialect, by children of these millworkers. They were visiting my kids at the time. Not funny at all, prejudice. You bet I spoke up, if my kids didn't jump the gun. Leave your racism etc at the door, or you are not welcome was the house rule. I had a boyfriend who was a mill rat, good man in many ways, but totally in denial around the inappropriate racial humour slurs. It cost him our relationship. I will not countenance that ugliness, or any other form of prejudice. To me, silence is a form of acceptance.
 
was actually asked a few times over the years that someone had a really funny joke to tell me, do I have a problem with race/sex jokes...

Generally, since about the early 70s most people have been progressively more careful, and even moreso since the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas case in 91.
 
Generally, since about the early 70s most people have been progressively more careful, and even moreso since the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas case in 91.

Yes, and knowing you can get canned from your job immediately helps too. Now their jokes/remarks have to be whispered to willing ears.
 
I have to agree that silence (with regard to racial jokes) is usually acceptance. Sure, it can be to avoid an uncomfortable situation but isn’t that a form of cowardice? OTOH a silent glare, looking at the person as if they are something to scrape off the bottom of my shoe, can also be effective. But just asking as if nothing is wrong…..that’s usually a form of acceptance.

Depends on the variables, of course. If a couple is arguing about their relationship problems, I’m gonna remain silent even if asked my opinion. I know better than to step into that. I’m also gonna leave as soon as I can. CYA!

But that’s not what were talking about here.
 
A disgusted glare followed by shaking the head and walking away does get the point across to the offender, without saying a word.
 
I don't appreciate racial/fat/retarded/sexist jokes. I always say something about how I feel about it and people usually shut up. I have never had to cause a scene by stating how I feel. If it were the work place (never happened to me at work) I would tell them they could get fired. My husband has run into that and told guys they would be fired if they didn't immediately shut up. He has hired female carpenters over the years and a lot of men think they are fair game for all sorts of sexist remarks. One ignorant man was out making remarks to a lady truck driver delivering materials to a job site. My husband told him to shut up and get back to work or he'd call and have the company overnight his check to him. And what was so funny was he said she was one of the best truck drivers he'd ever seen. She had to back a semi trailer off a busy street and down a runway or something in a shopping mall.

There was one time I felt I needed to take a stand and I did. This crazy church I was involved with for 30 years had a yearly convention every fall. Several conventions all over the U.S. and around the world. It was a pretty big church. There were a few thousand people at Palm Springs CA and this "high up" minister in the church made such a racist remark I almost fell off my chair. I didn't talk to others about this, except my close family, as we weren't suppose to "gossip about anyone, especially God's only true representatives on this earth." So I immediately wrote a letter to the church headquarters and told them to pull the tape from that sermon (everything at church was recorded, at any of the church meetings) and listen to that part and they needed to take some action. I didn't dare sign my name. If I had been at home, I wouldn't have mailed it from my local post office either. Within a short time the minister was "retired" with full pay I'm guessing. I doubt I'm the only one who complained but I still feel I had a hand in getting him off the pulpit. It took me another 2 or 3 more years before I was smart enough to get the hell out of that church and I've never looked back!
 
I think some people can be overly sensitive on this issue. As a member of an ethic minority myself I was subjected to racist remarks nearly every day of my working life in England, and I've mentioned here before how I was arrested and imprisoned for wearing my national emblem, and subsequently forced to eat it on my national saint's day.

Having said that, I have made racist remarks about Americans in this forum, and I have seen anti-British remarks too. We all know when such things are said maliciously, and when it is gentle fun, the same with gentle sexism you sometimes see.

One has to temper these things with a bit of reason.
 
I hear what you are saying Laurie. I think perhaps it is a matter of context. Here in Canada, where recently there was a furor concerning a picture depicting a person wearing a slave collar--banned because it fell under our strict Hate laws, some things remain very disturbing. In a country now famous for tolerance, First Nations people did not receive the vote until the 1960s, and were relegated to after hour medical visits. Then there was the horror of Residental Schools. Even now there is the abomination of the Highway Of Tears, where an estimated 500 aboriginal women have lost their lives. No one yet has been held accountable, and in spite of calls by Amnesty International, our esteemed Prime Minister continually refuses to mount an inquiry. With this mind, racially motivated "humourous" jokes against the First People take on a harsh perspective, particularly
In my island region, given their well known expertise in making some of the best gourmet salmon dishes in the world, as well as the iconic Cowichan Sweaters. It would seem among some of the bigots of my country, this sneering attitude towards our indigenous peoples and their accomplishments is the last acceptable form of racism. Appalling.
 
I think some people can be overly sensitive on this issue. As a member of an ethic minority myself I was subjected to racist remarks nearly every day of my working life in England, and I've mentioned here before how I was arrested and imprisoned for wearing my national emblem, and subsequently forced to eat it on my national saint's day.

Having said that, I have made racist remarks about Americans in this forum, and I have seen anti-British remarks too. We all know when such things are said maliciously, and when it is gentle fun, the same with gentle sexism you sometimes see.

One has to temper these things with a bit of reason.

Laurie, it's not possible to make racist comments about America - America is not a race, it's a country.

Racism = the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

There is nothing gentle about racism or sexism.
 
The ethnic jokes and stereotypes, including out and out racism is dangerous because it is usually 99% untrue, i.e. a lie, which has a very negative influence on the objects of the so-called humor.
 
I think a good rule for making jokes is if you ARE black, or Jewish, or a woman, or an Irishman, or gay or whatever...then you can reasonably poke fun at it. Look at Chris Rock, Denis Leary, Margaret Cho.
Tig Notaro jokes about surviving cancer...and she does it well because she is a survivor.
 
Laurie, I assume you mean because you are Scottish, that you had people make jokes about you( in England ) surprising, but then I expect Scottish people may well be anti-English now and then.As we are all British, this is not really racist is it?
 
I have never heard anyone make racist jokes, and I don't think I have led a sheltered life particularly, but if I was in company and somebody did, I would want to say something, but it would depend on the people, place etc.
 
Chris Rock does a hilarious video, if you are white it will probably make you uncomfortable and that's okay
One warning-the language is very colorful

My favorite is "Turn that **** off!". Really no one needs to inflict their personal music taste on the whole neighborhood. But really, is laughing at this video racist...believing it to apply to all black people IS, laughing at it is not.
 
It has been years since anyone made racist jokes or comments around me. It isn't acceptable among the people I know and it was absolutely not acceptable in my workplace. And in my neighborhood we have people of several races and ethnicities and we all get along just fine. I do have a couple of acquaintances that have said very degrading and disgusting things about gay people, and I've told them my opinion of that behavior. They don't speak to me any more. No loss.

If I were on the street and passing a group of people I didn't know who were making racial slurs, I doubt I would have to courage to say anything. I don't want to end up dead.
 

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