EVs - The Corporate Gift That Keeps On Giving

dilettante

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People often forget about tires. But tire companies are licking their chops.


Cleverly, they can even claim production capacity limits to justify abandoning replacement tires for conventional vehicles in favor of the more profitable EV market.
 

Not me. I will hang onto my combustible engine as long as possible. Green House gases be damned. My wife wants to look at a Hybrid next spring. That’s her choice. She said she wouldn’t go total EV.
 
Yep, that same weight also putting more wear on the roads in many cases. And stressing/collapsing parking garages.

And one of the stat I saw is that many ev owners don't use their ev as their primary car or only use it locally ie it's a second car. When people have an ev as the only car and use it for everything the parts that wear will wear even more.
 

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Got to admit that I'm not up on EV tires. But the tire industry has faced challenges before when the next generation of cars meant a change in tire types. There may be a momentary spike in tire costs, but competition and tire improvements will bring tire costs back to where they are now.
 
Not me. I will hang onto my combustible engine as long as possible. Green House gases be damned. My wife wants to look at a Hybrid next spring. That’s her choice. She said she wouldn’t go total EV.

Smart lady. Hybrid is the way to go. Even if I have to careful around here when walking the dog, because EV's are silent. :D
 
Not me. I will hang onto my combustible engine as long as possible. Green House gases be damned. My wife wants to look at a Hybrid next spring. That’s her choice. She said she wouldn’t go total EV.
Does that mean that you've never looked into the issue of climate change and the ramifications for future generations? Or that you have and just don't care?

Personally, I love the idea that I'm doing something good for this beautiful planet, that I'm doing something to lighten the load and that I'll be able to help my new grand babies learn to care about our earth home by leading by example.
 
Smart lady. Hybrid is the way to go. Even if I have to careful around here when walking the dog, because EV's are silent. :D
Hybrids are good in some milder climates but if you're in a cold climate, they're largely pointless. We had a hybrid in BC, great little car. But we had a hybrid Jeep in Alberta and it almost never went to using the electric system except for three or four months of the year. An EV has a system where some gizmo on it conditions the battery so that it starts and runs, but hybrids don't have that. So in winter, it's all gas and emissions.

And they aren't really silent. They make a loud humming noise that once you're used to it, you recognize it right away. I can hear my husband turn down our road a block away from our house if I'm out in the yard. Ours is a Chev and it's sound reminds me of a little space shuttle.
 
I drove a hybrid for just shy of 16 years until a nighttime deer collision totaled it as an older car. It was great even considering battery pack replacement (far cheaper than for a PHEV or EV).

EV trucksters around here can be heard by their grinding bearings. At night they can wake you far easier than a conventional gasoline car.
 
EVs are really not on my radar, got my 2019 Tacoma, got my wife's 2010 Subaru, am committed to keeping them both running and in good shape until...as long as we can / are allowed to drive.
 
Does that mean that you've never looked into the issue of climate change and the ramifications for future generations? Or that you have and just don't care?

Personally, I love the idea that I'm doing something good for this beautiful planet, that I'm doing something to lighten the load and that I'll be able to help my new grand babies learn to care about our earth home by leading by example.
That doesn’t “mean” anything, except that I am not ready to make such a drastic change and take on new expenses. I have heard very little good about EV vehicles, with the exception of cleaner air. Sooner or later, the batteries are going to start piling up, yet I haven’t read of a suitable way to rid ourselves of the millions that will someday be happening. How will they dispose of them?

Just like with tires, we need to find a clean way of destroying or recycling them. Many tires are being broken down and used for road materials. I can remember when the same issue arose for house roof shingles that were being amassed and no one knew what to do with them. One of the ideas was to allow people to use them to cover their dirt lanes, like on a farm, but that was soon declared a disaster because of the oils and chemicals getting into the underground water channels and detention systems.

We need to plan first and then act and not the opposite. We also did the same with radioactive waste from the atomic power plants. Do you know where the waste is being stored? Check it out. Someday, anyone living will have to decide what do we do with all of these spent rods and waste water? I have been around nuclear waste and to prove it, I can still set off a Geiger Counter. I did it by accident. While I was at 3-mile Island after the accident in 1979, we were shown the inside of the “good” reactor, which was Number One, I got against a pipe that had sweated and contained very low levels of radiation. I thought I was OK since it was only sweat.

Harold Denton from the NRC, who investigated the accident for the U.S. Government asked for a Geiger Counter. He scanned me and said I was contaminated and needed to shower and change clothes and burn my existing uniform. I always carried an extra uniform, in case I got into a lot of blood while investigating a homicide, vehicle accident, etc. I showered and changed at the plant, including my shoes. PSP paid for everything, except new shoes, if you were wondering. Today, I still can get a reading, but it’s so small that there is no chance of cross-contamination or burns or really any danger to me or those around me, but he said precautions were necessary at that time because of their “lack of knowledge “ with nuclear radiation poisoning.

Aren’t you glad you asked the question? Sometimes, there is just no simple answer to a question, but I appreciate your inquisitiveness. It shows you are a thinker and not a complainer. Some may complain or worse, like make comments that make it personal while others think about the alternative. You obviously are a thinker.
 
The tech is too new for mass deployment/consumption. And converting for gas to electric in a relatively short time will stress natural resources.

Miners won't be able to mine/produce enough copper for EVs

The amount of copper needed to build EVs is ‘impossible for mining companies to produce’

Copper is already expensive and used in other items. A sudden/large demand for EVs will drive costs even higher. And depending on how they mine might not be great for that local environment.

And by the way rubber tires come from oil which many want to get rid of. Might not be using as much for refining gas but will be used for more tire production.
 
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The tech is too new for mass deployment/consumption. And converting for gas to electric in a relatively short time will stress natural resources.

Miners won't be able to mine/produce enough copper for EVs

The amount of copper needed to build EVs is ‘impossible for mining companies to produce’

Copper is already expensive and used in other items. A sudden/large demand for EVs will drive costs even higher. And depending on how they mine might not be great for that local environment.

And by the way rubber tires come from oil which many want to get rid of. Might not be using as much for refining gas but will be used for more tire production.
Petroleum is used in more products than some people can imagine. Including plastics.
 
My new 2024 Nissan is not an EV and I wouldn't even consider one. My late husband and I had talked about the disadvantages (especially at our age) of us buying an EV. I guess to replace a battery is very expensive, for one thing, and we'd have to upgrade the electric in the garage. Then, charging stations are far and few between around here. They're too expensive anyway. Now that he's gone, I just needed a vehicle to get me from my house to the grocery store (3 miles) and an occasional visit to our friends house about 40 miles away.

I bought my car just before Christmas. They "gave" me a full tank of gas and last week I just filled it up (almost 7 gal.). Not that it needed it but because I knew gas prices were going to go back up...and they did. I have a whole 240 miles on my car and it had 32 miles on it when I got it...haha. I get 32 MPG now so why would I spend all that extra money on a car that I wouldn't be driving much?
 
People need to start thinking much, much more broadly and deeply before implementing something like this. Government then needs to develop a comprehensive plan that is actually feasible and publish it, including verifiable factual data, in detail so the public can evaluate it. This idea of "it doesn't involve gas or oil therefore it MUST be good" is sheer nonsense.

It's always faster and cheaper to do a thing right the first time rather than having to undo and/or redo it again and again and again. :rolleyes:
 
I think a big piece of it is to get people to replace existing vehicles while accelerating planned obsolescence. That's what got the buy-in from Wall Street and industry. Well, that and the corporate welfare incentive systems in various countries.

At its heart though is probably social engineering goals like "20-Minute Cities." Neo-feudalism maintains control over the population, in part, by limiting mobility. It's probably also part of a strategy to keep the giant festering anthills, er, megalopolises, working for a while yet.
 
We have friends that own 4 Teslas, and are very happy with them. I admit they are nice cars, well appointed and comfortable seating. Honestly in spite of the lack of engine noise they ride rough due to the weight and I find myself wondering if the driving range is being exceed every time we get in one. I have no desire to own one even if I could see a convincing economic formula in ownership. Just me. I'll stick with conventional vehicles until I see a technology that makes sense to me.
 
Not in the last few years. Our government was exerting significant pressure on all auto manufacturing companies to produce EV's and hybrids. Naturally there was a level of competition behind it as well. Ford has already pulled back due to the heavy drag on earnings, and I think we'll see other companies following suit. Without heavy subsidy the market place just isn't ready to go there yet. It may come, but I believe competition and technology will bring more cost effective solutions. The little benefit there is, is quickly erased by all the private jets and big SUVs owned by celebrities.
 
EVs are really not on my radar, got my 2019 Tacoma, got my wife's 2010 Subaru, am committed to keeping them both running and in good shape until...as long as we can / are allowed to drive.
I with you. I drive a 2002 Frontier, under a 100K miles, pickup and my wife has a Nissan Rogue SUV. We don't put a lot of miles on any vehicles. We've owned our share of luxury vehicles in years past and always put a lot of commuting miles on them, but our retirement has altered our perspective entirely.
 
Not in the last few years. .... Without heavy subsidy the market place just isn't ready to go there yet.
What's needed is more charging stations. Americans are ready, especially young adults. More people would buy them if there were even half the number of charging stations as there are gas stations, AND if every charging station worked properly.

My son owns a Rivian, and he and his wife are frequent travelers, but they have to go online and plan their route according to the charging station locations and calculate the mileage in between. That's hassle enough, but they've also had major problems at about half of the stations because of technical glitches or because the charging pumps were inexplicably closed. They had to back-track over 250 miles on one trip because a charging station they stopped at said they were still at the previous station...they had to go back and manually turn that pump off. It couldn't be done remotely. They've lost track of how many times they had to call customer service.
 
Over the decades many drivers have gone to heavier vehicles, not just electric ones. Plus, many that drive those Valez Class Tankers also use the "extra" traction tires that do have a better grip, but because they are softer, wear out more quickly. In my part of the world many drivers add a few sandbags to the back of their pickup or SUV to add weight in the Winter driving months.
 
People need to start thinking much, much more broadly and deeply before implementing something like this. Government then needs to develop a comprehensive plan that is actually feasible and publish it, including verifiable factual data, in detail so the public can evaluate it. This idea of "it doesn't involve gas or oil therefore it MUST be good" is sheer nonsense.

It's always faster and cheaper to do a thing right the first time rather than having to undo and/or redo it again and again and again. :rolleyes:
That's all well and good, but we don't live in a country where .gov pulls all the economic levers, like China's programmed and subsidized economy. The transition to EVs in the US is going to happen in fits, and starts, chaos so to speak, so get used to it. And the world's conversion to EV's isn't going to stop while the US get's it figured out.
 


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