Executive order protecting federal statues, monuments.

Is there something new about this executive order? Hasn't it always been against the law to deface a federal monument?
 

Many of these statues and monuments reflect a period in our nation's history that were less than ideal. However, That IS part of the nations history, and should Never be forgotten. People need to remember and reflect on these past mistakes, and vow to never repeat them. Destroying or damaging these reminders of the past accomplishes Nothing.

IMO, anyone who defaces or damages Any public property should be required to pay for the restoration, OR spend a year in jail cleaning toilets.
 
Don M. said:
Many of these statues and monuments reflect a period in our nation's history that were less than ideal. However, That IS part of the nations history, and should Never be forgotten. People need to remember and reflect on these past mistakes, and vow to never repeat them. Destroying or damaging these reminders of the past accomplishes Nothing.

IMO, anyone who defaces or damages Any public property should be required to pay for the restoration, OR spend a year in jail cleaning toilets.
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However- as was said in another thread- too many do not see it as 'reflecting on past mistakes,' but 'glorifying' the individuals in the statues, like they were the 'good guys.'

I recall a similar conversation a few years ago with a former classmate who moved south- your first paragraph reflects what she believed re: confederate flags all over the place, but that's not what many are expressing when they display those flags.
 
JaniceM said:
However- as was said in another thread- too many do not see it as 'reflecting on past mistakes,' but 'glorifying' the individuals in the statues, like they were the 'good guys.'

I recall a similar conversation a few years ago with a former classmate who moved south- your first paragraph reflects what she believed re: confederate flags all over the place, but that's not what many are expressing when they display those flags.
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Perhaps you'd be surprised to learn that many displaying those flags have no idea what they represent; they are simply a tradition in the south.
 
JaniceM said:
However- as was said in another thread- too many do not see it as 'reflecting on past mistakes,' but 'glorifying' the individuals in the statues, like they were the 'good guys.'

I recall a similar conversation a few years ago with a former classmate who moved south- your first paragraph reflects what she believed re: confederate flags all over the place, but that's not what many are expressing when they display those flags.
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I think war is war, whatever they did, it's what military leaders were and are paid to do. I don't see confederates as traitors any more than they saw themselves.

And I still believe statues are art and should be preserved. Otherwise we'd end up tearing down the pyramids and the Valley of the Kings etc. because the Egyptians made slaves of everybody for millena and we'd lose a vital part of our history in the process. This is a dangerous and stupid road to travel.
 
The EO goes well beyond just arresting and prosecuting offenders. Too many mayors and governors have decided not to enforce the laws already in place to protect the monuments that are now being destroyed. Instead, they have decided to bow to mob rule. If this behavior continues, their city and/or state shall not receive any compensation or grants from Federal funds.

Politics aside, as Americans, we need to stand united in this fight to rid ourselves of these mobs and anarchists. If the actions that are now going on continue, as I have stated before several times, this will not end well.

Having to take on a pandemic and a revolution is a lot for any government to contend with. Just once, it would be so refreshing to see all Americans stand shoulder to shoulder for the purpose of freeing ourselves from these mobs. But, alas, it is doubtful that this will happen. Too many citizens favor the anarchists in hopes that their evil workings will destroy the present government and bring about a change of which we are uncertain of. Will the change be good or will it be worse. We need to consider all possibilities.
 
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OK, Ken, here you go.
 
These protesters should be careful about what they are wishing for....they might just get it. Already, Minneapolis has passed a ruling that would disband their current police force. The criminals are probably celebrating.
 
911 said:
The EO goes well beyond just arresting and prosecuting offenders. Too many mayors and governors have decided not to enforce the laws already in place to protect the monuments that are now being destroyed. Instead, they have decided to bow to mob rule. If this behavior continues, their city and/or state shall not receive any compensation or grants from Federal funds.

Politics aside, as Americans, we need to stand united in this fight to rid ourselves of these mobs and anarchists. If the actions that are now going on continue, as I have stated before several times, this will not end well.

Having to take on a pandemic and a revolution is a lot for any government to contend with. Just once, it would be so refreshing to see all Americans stand shoulder to shoulder for the purpose of freeing ourselves from these mobs. But, alas, it is doubtful that this will happen. Too many citizens favor the anarchists in hopes that their evil workings will destroy the present government and bring about a change of which we are uncertain of. Will the change be good or will it be worse. We need to consider all possibilities.
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This is very similar to the actions of anarchists and communists of the 30’s. America’s left was enamored with Marx and Lenin. The difference today is few politicians have the backbone to stand up to criminal behavior. Marxists are just as popular today, thinly disguised along with “progressives”. Since Yesterday is a book I recommend for anyone wanting to see just how much today parallels that time before WW II.

These actions are much better organized and funded than many want to believe. It’s always interesting how Antifa agitates the crowd then vanishes.

This will not end well. We will all lose. Defund the cops, no weapons, leaves you no way to defend yourself or home.
 
Camper6 said:
Somehow, somewhere, someone has to come up with a calming effect instead of an escalation.
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I was very disheartened this past week when SC Senator Tim Scott’s police reform proposal was not accepted by the House. Afterwards, they claimed that the proposal didn’t go far enough. The problem with that BS is that they were offered the opportunity to add additional amendments and yet they still turned it down.

What does this prove? I think we can all figure that out. The other side is good with the status quo. They want the current administration gone and couldn’t care less if that means even more destruction. It’s about the party and nothing about the citizens who actually pay the bills for this country.
 
I just watched cops in D.C. get pushed by the mob, so they could get to the emancipation statue. The cops weren’t permitted to strike back. I was like what in the world is going on? Everyone has the right to protect themselves.
 
911 said:
I just watched cops in D.C. get pushed by the mob, so they could get to the emancipation statue. The cops weren’t permitted to strike back. I was like what in the world is going on? Everyone has the right to protect themselves.
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If I were a cop in one of these "protest zones", I think I would call in sick. At the minimum, If I had to respond to a 911 call involving these anarchists, I would stop for a leisurely lunch, and take the long way getting there.
 
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StarSong said:
He's merely delaying the inevitable.
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But there's the flip side which is appeasement of a mob. Appeasement of a mob usually means the drawing of the next line rather than resolution. So what's next? Destroying historic buildings built with slave labor which are all over the original thirteen colonies and the south? When people are prepared to 'take' by unlawful means, that switch doesn't flip off because they're given what they want.
 
Don M. said:
These protesters should be careful about what they are wishing for....they might just get it. Already, Minneapolis has passed a ruling that would disband their current police force. The criminals are probably celebrating.
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Yep. Also, I don't think these people have thought this through. You know, if you eliminate the police, what's to stop armed people from the other side to come in and start randomly offing criminals? It's a double edged sword and I'm thinking there are a lot more people for whom the threat of arrest and jail is all that stops them from taking out these oxygen wasters. Take away that threat and you'll have total chaos and a lot more bloodshed.
 
This is what happens when you don't have police. There are people out there just waiting for a chance. It's one of those "in your face" things.

Halifax police went on strike.



As officers picketed, hundreds of people gathered near the police station where it eventually became a free-for-all.

While the rest of the city was relatively quiet, the crowd there turned into an unruly mob, fueled by booze and a sense of anonymity. Things got ugly.

Windows were smashed, stores on Gottingen were looted, drivers were pulling doughnuts and racing outside police headquarters - all the while, striking officers stood by and watched.

"When you're out here, people doing doughnuts in the middle of the intersection, you hear glass breaking, it was uncomfortable feeling for a lot of the guys," says retired police Const. Tony Burbridge.

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/city-under-siege-a-look-back-at-the-1981-halifax-police-strike-1.3060263
 
squatting dog said:
Yep. Also, I don't think these people have thought this through. You know, if you eliminate the police, what's to stop armed people from the other side to come in and start randomly offing criminals? It's a double edged sword and I'm thinking there are a lot more people for whom the threat of arrest and jail is all that stops them from taking out these oxygen wasters. Take away that threat and you'll have total chaos and a lot more bloodshed.
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There will be no buffers between the citizens and the criminals. No criminal justice system (it's racist) or cops. First disarm the cops, then the general population.

Don't worry the politicians will be protected while they strip you of any right or method to defend yourself.

From what I've seen in Atlanta, and the "Zone", the ones walking around with AR style rifles resemble paid mercenaries.

Notice that the Minneapolis city council has paid security now, not cops. I would imagine the security team can be sued (they have no immunity from prosecution) hmmm how could that go wrong...
 
Don M. said:
If I were a cop in one of these "protest zones", I think I would call in sick. At the minimum, If I had to respond to a 911 call involving these anarchists, I would stop for a leisurely lunch, and take the long way getting there.
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The many cops that I have spoken with basically tell me the same story. They feel that they need to show up for work, so that they can fulfill their duty and the oath they took. Morale, OTOH, is very low. The police do feel unsupported and left to stand alone. They feel disrespected and looked at in a very different light. Many of these officers have gone way above and beyond the call of duty and now they stand alone.

I know of one of our Troopers who was off duty on 9/11 and was in New York City with his wife. When the towers were attacked, he immediately went there and volunteered his services. While others ran away, he ran into the tower. He survived, but only by the Grace of God.
 
Camper6 said:
I didn't even know the Emancipation Statue existed.

But I see they have erected fences rather than tackling a mob of nutcases.

Good fences make good neighbors.
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The police has to follow the Mayor’s orders. If you’re looking someone to hammer on, hammer on the Mayor.
 
All the money paid in fines for marijuana violations should be refunded in states where it is now legal. Same logic.
 

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