Exposing the links between Calcium, Vitamin K2, and Plaque Buildup in Blood Vessels

chic said:
Yes it is. I'll have to readjust my vitamin pills. I don't take vitamin K cuz I eat so many leafy greens.
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There are actually 10 different Vit K 's.. but 1 and 2 are the most common , and K2 is needed before certain other Vitamins can work like Vit D3.. basically.. except they've found a bad correlation between Calcium and Vit K2...
 
hollydolly said:
Pepper.. this Cardiologist Bio...

https://orlandocvi.com/medical-providers/dr-jamnadas/

take absolutely no notice of anyone who is trying to stop you from learning more about how supplements can affect your body.. they clearly would prefer you suffer and possibly die.. than have you aware of the dangers..
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For everyone reading this thread, at HD`s request, do click on this link.
At the bottom of the webpage, please read the disclaimer.

It advises NO ONE to take this advice without consulting your own doctor. They also do not stand behind any statements, comments, etc from this webpage and do not take any responsibility for negative results in any way.
Please read the disclaimer. HD is correct to say "take no notice of anyone trying to stop you from learning about supplements."
This includes the OP.
 
Right Now said:
I can't waste time on these theories. If your body needs to absorb calcium to help keep strong bones, then for decades we have been assured this will help. As we age, our bones don't absorb calcium, thus brittle bones, broken bones.
How about this? Break your hip, back, shoulder, ankle....stay laid up in a bed for weeks, and the quality of your life begins with weakened muscles, immobility, not being steady with you walk......

So, no clogged arteries, but will that suffice to maintain an agile life? Nope.
Stick with whatever your own doctor prescribes for YOU.
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Our bodies are designed to absorb calcium & other nutrients from food; not supplements. When we eat leafy greens, we absorb the right amount of calcium in the right concentrations. When we take a calcium pill, we absorb excess calcium in a concentrated form, too quickly. That's what causes problems as our system tries to get rid of the excess, which can leave deposits in the arteries.

Several years ago, Dr. Oz publicly apologized for pushing calcium supplements after he learned how many patients followed his advice & had heart attacks. Many doctors will push anything they're paid to push - useless weight loss supplements, miracle energy boosters, etc. And they are very well paid to push them by the companies that profit from them. Companies know most people will listen to anything a doctor says.
 
hearlady said:
Do you know if fermented sourdough would be a source? I make that. I would love to not have to supplement at all.
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Don't think it's the same as cabbage. I used to love sour dough but avoid it like the plague now because of gluten & it's all carbohydrate.
 
win231 said:
Our bodies are designed to absorb calcium & other nutrients from food; not supplements. When we eat leafy greens, we absorb the right amount of calcium in the right concentrations. When we take a calcium pill, we absorb excess calcium in a concentrated form, too quickly. That's what causes problems as our system tries to get rid of the excess, which can leave deposits in the arteries.

Several years ago, Dr. Oz publicly apologized for pushing calcium supplements after he learned how many patients followed his advice & had heart attacks. Many doctors will push anything they're paid to push - useless weight loss supplements, miracle energy boosters, etc. And they are very well paid to push them by the companies that profit from them. Companies know most people will listen to anything a doctor says.
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You're much more patient that I could be. Bless you.
 
win231 said:
Our bodies are designed to absorb calcium & other nutrients from food; not supplements. When we eat leafy greens, we absorb the right amount of calcium in the right concentrations. When we take a calcium pill, we absorb excess calcium in a concentrated form, too quickly. That's what causes problems as our system tries to get rid of the excess, which can leave deposits in the arteries.

Several years ago, Dr. Oz publicly apologized for pushing calcium supplements after he learned how many patients followed his advice & had heart attacks. Many doctors will push anything they're paid to push - useless weight loss supplements, miracle energy boosters, etc. And they are very well paid to push them by the companies that profit from them. Companies know most people will listen to anything a doctor says.
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Its true. Real food is better. Always.
 
hearlady said:
Its true. Real food is better. Always.
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yes but not everyone for various reasons can eat the necessary foods laden with the necessary vitamins and minerals... as the Doctor explained in the video.. even the feed given to animals which produce our food have no minerals and vitamins in some of them so therefore what we would ordinarily, and in the past get from our food .. we're not getting.. anymore
 
hollydolly said:
yes but not everyone for various reasons can eat the necessary foods laden with the necessary vitamins and minerals... as the Doctor explained in the video.. even the feed given to animals which produce our food have no minerals and vitamins in some of them so therefore what we would ordinarily, and in the past get from our food .. we're not getting.. anymore
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I've heard that "Pro Supplement" argument. Maybe, or maybe a way to sell supplements.
We can't really expect them to say, "There is no reason to take supplements unless you don't eat anything at all."
 
The osteoporosis medicine my doctor started me on last spring prevents the body from releasing calcium from the bones when the blood calcium level drops, so anyone taking the medicine is supposed to take calcium supplements to avoid a low calcium problem. I'd guess the supplement should be divided up throughout the day, but my thyroid medicine has to have no-calcium-supplement during the 4 hours both before and after taking the synthroid.
 
win231 said:
I've heard that "Pro Supplement" argument. Maybe, or maybe a way to sell supplements.
We can't really expect them to say, "There is no reason to take supplements unless you don't eat anything at all."
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well this Cardiologist is not in the business of selling supplements, in fact he's warning people off unnecessary and potentially dangerous ones
 
HoneyNut said:
The osteoporosis medicine my doctor started me on last spring prevents the body from releasing calcium from the bones when the blood calcium level drops, so anyone taking the medicine is supposed to take calcium supplements to avoid a low calcium problem. I'd guess the supplement should be divided up throughout the day, but my thyroid medicine has to have no-calcium-supplement during the 4 hours both before and after taking the synthroid.
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Osteoporosis is more complicated than just insufficient calcium intake.

Can too much protein cause osteoporosis?

"Many studies found that animal-based protein made bones less sturdy than plant-based protein. Some studies found that there was more osteoporosis (thin bone tissue) and fractures in people who ate a lot of meat."

A high-protein diet is a big contributor. Excess protein in the diet creates an acid balance in the blood & our system tries to maintain an alkaline balance. When acid levels are too high, calcium is leached from bones as a neutralizing agent. That leads to brittle bones.
It's more a matter of how much calcium we keep, than how much we get.
Our love of meat, along with insufficient intake of fruits & vegetables is much of the problem. Another calcium thief: soft drinks.
 
win231 said:
Our bodies are designed to absorb calcium & other nutrients from food; not supplements. When we eat leafy greens, we absorb the right amount of calcium in the right concentrations. When we take a calcium pill, we absorb excess calcium in a concentrated form, too quickly. That's what causes problems as our system tries to get rid of the excess, which can leave deposits in the arteries.
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I agree with you, but food is not what it used be. Mechanized farming is not replacing all the nutrients and minerals the plants absorb and therefore the soil is depleted. This process also effects livestock and so they too are deficient. With livestock they used to feed on perennials now days it’s mostly annuals and/or weeds. The whole system is designed to provide something that looks like a tomato, ships well and has a long shelf life. All these practices results in products that are lacking nutrition and minerals because they don’t ship well or have long shelf life.

Your argument was basically true 50 years ago but not so much any more. Believe you me I would rather eat good food than supplement but that’s environment we live in today. I know a good tomato, plum, cantaloupe, cabbage, and etc. when I have one and it’s not from the supermarket!

So in the mean while I supplement where necessary...
 
1955 said:
I agree with you, but food is not what it used be. Mechanized farming is not replacing all the nutrients and minerals the plants absorb and therefore the soil is depleted. This process also effects livestock and so they too are deficient. With livestock they used to feed on perennials now days it’s mostly annuals and/or weeds. The whole system is designed to provide something that looks like a tomato, ships well and has a long shelf life. All these practices results in products that are lacking nutrition and minerals because they don’t ship well or have long shelf life.

Your argument was basically true 50 years ago but not so much any more. Believe you me I would rather eat good food than supplement but that’s environment we live in today. I know a good tomato, plum, cantaloupe, cabbage, and etc. when I have one and it’s not from the supermarket!

So in the mean while I supplement where necessary...
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Maybe, but my solution is not to take a supplement that can cause a heart attack, which (to me) is a much-worse problem.
My remedy is to eat more vegetables - bigger salads. I should be OK because I'm constantly hungry, so I eat all day. :giggle:
 
win231 said:
Maybe, but my solution is not to take a supplement that can cause a heart attack, which (to me) is a much-worse problem.
My remedy is to eat more vegetables - bigger salads. I should be OK because I'm constantly hungry, so I eat all day. :giggle:
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You bet, bigger salads. I have a gigantic bowl just for my salads:)
 
My sister's mother-in-law had severe osteoporosis - could hardly walk because of her back & later became bedridden as it got worse. She couldn't even sit in a wheelchair because of her back. She drank several glasses of milk - all day. I asked her why.
She said, "My doctor said I need it for the calcium." She was only 78.
All I could do was shake my head; her condition was too far gone to say anything.
 

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