VaughanJB
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Of course. Yet the pain itself lingers, even without the source of the angst.
Eye surgery/lasik patient commits suicide after suffering through complications
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Of course. Yet the pain itself lingers, even without the source of the angst.
Ok. So suicide is a finality and the suicide person is pain-free afterwards because there is no afterlife. I don't see any problem there. As far as the love ones, they should just respect the person's decision, and bear with the grief and pain if they have any (and if they truly love the person).
RedAlert76
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terminal disease is totally different,,,vs whacking yourself because your drugged up or might make the news- my bad should of been more specific
VaughanJB
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I question whether anyone committing suicide is of a sound mind. At least most. And life itself is considered precious, whether one believe in a God or not. A life wasted is a terrible thing. As such, I don't think I'd be able to must "respect for the person's decision". Pity perhaps, sorrow, but not respect.
VaughanJB
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The two most prevalent reasons that lead to suicide appear to be hopelessness, and despair. As such, I'd not expect someone under those stressors to be making reasoned decisions. As you say, there are exceptions, but they're just that, exceptions.
Respect, compassionate, understanding, pity, sorrow, disgust, indifferent...etc.
But until you personally experience the suicide person's physical or mental pain, you or anyone else has no right to judge this person. Actually, you can judge but it doesn't mean anything to others.
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VaughanJB
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I'm not judging anyone. Calling it what it is isn't judging. That said, we go through life judging people for various things, from the color of their hair to the language they use. From belief systems, to concepts and ideas, we're all judged pretty much all the time.
fuzzybuddy
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I was in the hospital for well over a month, with an infection. I was going downhill. I was so wiped out I couldn't even turn in bed. I had IVs in my neck and getting antibiotics every two hours. The staff had to turn me every 4 hours, which caused excruciating pain. My condition was not improving and at the time, few thought it would get better. I definitely thought of suicide. In fact, I figured out a way to kill myself in a bed, when you couldn't move. I had made the decision to kill myself. For some reason, the antibiotics kicked in when they didn't before.
It took me years to shake off the effects of that time. I think people kill themselves because they feel they are in a permanent intolerable situation, with no other possible way of getting relief from it.
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VaughanJB
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Indeed. And some people are in a "permanent intolerable situation". But I see a lot of conversations that go this way, as though mentioning an outlier somehow invalidates the majority of cases. The truth for many is, they're suffering a temporary (how ever long you want that to be) intolerable situation. As I've said, life is precious, and along with joys it brings us terrible pain, be it physical or mental.
Still, barring that minority, choosing life is a better outcome, imo. But that's not to say it's an easy step.
I have been watching some documentaries today about the Skinhead movement, and specifically the Aryan National types (racists). One followed the story of a guy who was a long time member, and he finally got arrested and sent to prison for making terroristic threats (which were more like plans, than simple threats).
Early in the show, no-one could have told the guy that he was wrong, that racism is destructive, and that no good comes from hate. He was 100% certain of his beliefs, and wouldn't hear anything to the contrary. The show followed him over a good number of years, and I'll spare you the details, but by the conclusion, he was a new man. He had realized the error of his ways, embraced a wholesome life, and was busy mending all the burned bridges
The point being, we can sometimes be so damn certain of what we think, and how we feel. But in reality, people change. Humans have an incredible facility to overcome. The journey isn't always easy, and it's rarely straightforward. However, in the limited time we have on Earth, we should embrace acceptance and change.
I am sure you have seen cases where people have permanent and incurable spinal or neuro damage that keep them in constant pain and paralysis. Sure, morphine can numb them and keep them in a deep sleep state in bed most of the time if that's the way you prefer to stay alive. This is not only the physical torture, we can't see the mental side of the pain. And we can't see the pain of the people who suffer from mental disorder alone.
I can only say this...It's not a good comment when people say someone is judgemental. And in the western world, most of us always try to live and pursue our goals and happiness regardless how others judge us.
I can only say this...It's not a good comment when people say someone is judgemental. And in the western world, most of us always try to live and pursue our goals and happiness regardless how others judge us.
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Bobby174
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Omg pity