Fact Checking an FICA Cap Removal Article

Hey Y'all,

As you may have noticed in the half day since I turned up here, I love to write. I've been working on an article about removing the FICA Cap because it is unfair to everyone who makes less than the Cap. This part of it is where I'm stuck. Can someone familiar with such things tell me if my information is correct and whether what I have written makes logical sense? I would appreciate it very much. :)

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According to the IRS, the current tax rate for Social Security is 6.2% for the employer and 6.2% for the employee, or 12.4% if you are self-employed. The current rate for Medicare is 1.45% for the employer and 1.45% for the employee, or 2.9% if you are self-employed. There's a 0.9% Additional Medicare tax on wages in excess of $200,000, and there's is no wage base limit for Medicare tax.

That sounds like a lot to me because I didn't make anywhere near that much. But to rich people, that is a drop in the bucket of their income. I don't believe that rich people should have to pay 94% of their income for taxes, as they had to do after WWII. But they should have to pay their fair share of all taxes. If any special treatment should be given to anyone, it should be given to those who need the most, not people who can afford many times their fair share.

The US Bureau of Labor Statistics website states the following:

"In 2022, 78.7 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 55.6 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 141,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 882,000 workers had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.0 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 1.3 percent of all hourly paid workers, little changed from 2021."

And oddly enough, they seem to think that is all minimum wage earners. Anyone who lives in California for example, where Fast Food workers make $20 an hour, that is referred to as minimum wage. For simplicity (read: nice, round figures), I will use $20 an hour for the following assessment:

If someone makes $20 an hour that is $200 a day, or $1,000 a week gross, which based on 261 work days of a 365 day year, that comes to a gross of $52,200 a year. That is 30.96% of the FICA Cap. So that person must pay 6.2% of their total income before taxes are taken out, for FICA Contributions, or 12.4% if you're self-employed.

However, someone who makes more than the FICA Cap pays proportionally less in FICA Contributions the higher their income goes. 6.2% of $168,600 is $10,453.19. However, 6.2% of $1,686,000 (ten times the FICA Cap) the FICA Contribution is still $10,453.19, but if that person had to pay his fair share of FICA Contributions, it would be $104,532.

If they made 100 times the FICA Cap, it would be $16,860,000 and their fair share of FICA Contributions would be $1,045,320. And the more money they make, the more they should have to pay as their Fair Share. But they don't. All they have to pay in FICA Contributions, no matter how much more they make over $168,600 is $10,453.19 a year. (Or $25,906.38 a year if they are self employed.) Even if they make $Millions or $Trillions. Think about that for a little while...

I saw a list of the 25 highest paid corporate CEOs of 2024 and #25 made $54,400,000. 6.2% of that is $3,379,000. How much was this person's FICA Contribution? Just $10,453.19.

Does it seem fair to you? If it doesn't, feel free to copy what I wrote above and ask your Congressional Representatives about it. Because not all of them are rich.
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I saw a list of the 25 highest paid corporate CEOs of 2024 and #25 made $54,400,000. 6.2% of that is $3,379,000. How much was this person's FICA Contribution? Just $10,453.19.

Does it seem fair to you? If it doesn't, feel free to copy what I wrote above and ask your Congressional Representatives about it. Because not all of them are rich.
Social Security is projected to deplete its funds around 2035 given the current fiscal circumstances. This predicament partially fuels the "tax the rich" movement. The compensation system for the middle class heavily relies on incremental percentage-based pay raises, typically around 2-3% annually. However, most individuals will never surpass the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) cap. The tax structure overwhelmingly favors the top 1% of earners. Rather than significantly increasing the FICA cap, the current strategy involves raising the retirement age, thereby extending the period people contribute to the system while shortening the duration of their benefits. The U.S. system is skewed in favor of the wealthiest class, to the detriment of the working class. Regrettably, it is the affluent 1% who exert considerable influence over policymakers, perpetuating the preference for "trickle-down" economics.
 
That is partially my point. But I don't believe in unfair taxes, even for those who can afford it. I think that everyone who makes a dollar, should have to pay their fair share of taxes on it, and even though FICA is not really a tax in my opinion, if anyone has to pay that 6.2% or 12.4% of their income, I think everyone should. If FICA had no cap like the Medicare tax, Social Security would be rock solid in just a few years. But you hit the nail squarely on the head as to why it's not happening.
 

Social Security is projected to deplete its funds around 2035 given the current fiscal circumstances.
Obsolete data.

Recent changes, such as the unFairness Act have pulled the date forward to 2033 and now 2031.

In principle at least, raising the cap to double or even eliminating it sounds good. But wouldn't that also lift the cap on paid-out benefits as well?
 
In principle at least, raising the cap to double or even eliminating it sounds good. But wouldn't that also lift the cap on paid-out benefits as well?
Exactly this. The maximum monthly benefit for social security in 2024 was $3822 per month based on a tax cap of $168,600. To be fair, if they raise the tax cap they would need to raise the maximum monthly benefit accordingly.

Social security wasn't intended to be a welfare program.
 
Social security wasn't intended to be a welfare program.
No... But it was intended to allow people who worked hard all their lives a way to retire with dignity and a little financial security. But the government acts like it's a welfare program.

I always wondered why they call it insurance, force you to pay for it, and then say "You have to qualify to get Benefits."
 
Well, IF (and that's a BIG IF) you believe what the SSA has to say, that's a myth. The following is the first of five questions about the SSA Trust Fund:

Q1: Which political party took Social Security from the independent trust fund and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?

A1: There has never been any change in the way the Social Security program is financed or the way that Social Security payroll taxes are used by the federal government. The Social Security Trust Fund was created in 1939 as part of the Amendments enacted in that year. From its inception, the Trust Fund has always worked the same way. The Social Security Trust Fund has never been "put into the general fund of the government."

Most likely this question comes from a confusion between the financing of the Social Security program and the way the Social Security Trust Fund is treated in federal budget accounting. Starting in 1969 (due to action by the Johnson Administration in 1968) the transactions to the Trust Fund were included in what is known as the "unified budget." This means that every function of the federal government is included in a single budget. This is sometimes described by saying that the Social Security Trust Funds are "on-budget." This budget treatment of the Social Security Trust Fund continued until 1990 when the Trust Funds were again taken "off-budget." This means only that they are shown as a separate account in the federal budget. But whether the Trust Funds are "on-budget" or "off-budget" is primarily a question of accounting practices--it has no effect on the actual operations of the Trust Fund itself.

Which sounds like double talk to me. But you have to remember that misinformation is a tool employed by people who would like you believe something that isn't based on facts. However, sometime double talk can be amusing. I just saw this posted on Google by their experimental Generative AI software, and I laughed so hard my sides hurt.

Q: Can the Social Security Trust Fund be raided by Congress?

A: No, Congress cannot raid the Social Security Trust Fund because the government has never stolen money from it. Instead, the government uses the Social Security Trust Fund's surplus to finance other government activities.


"It can or it cain't, which is it? Cain't be both!", as my old Pappy used to say. :)
 
I was always in favor of removing the cap and expanding the benefits.

Many workers have good years and bad years, by removing the cap it allows them to pay in more and build a larger benefit during those good years.

I was always taught that Social Security benefits were intended to make up approximately 40% of a person’s retirement income and that the other 60% should come from pensions/401k plans and personal savings. The old three leg stool.

IMO we shouldn’t expect the government or taxpayers to take our retirement security more seriously than we take it ourselves.

Maybe we need more education on how to manage our income when we are ready to enter the job market or maybe we should scrap the existing Social Security program in favor of something new. 🤔
 
If someone makes $20 an hour that is $200 a day, or $1,000 a week gross, which based on 261 work days of a 365 day year, that comes to a gross of $52,200 a year. That is 30.96% of the FICA Cap. So that person must pay 6.2% of their total income before taxes are taken out, for FICA Contributions, or 12.4% if you're self-employed.
Most people work 8 hours a day, so $20 an hour would be $160 a day. Just sayin'.

And rich people don't want the FICA cap removed, so it ain't gonna happen as long as rich people pull the strings.
 
That's not just sayin', that's fact checking my horrible math skills... One of the key reasons I called this thread Fact Checking an FICA Cap Removal Article... :)

And I'm aware that the chances of the general population ever getting a fair deal is slim to none. But if people don't try, it's a guarantee they won't. Are we a nation of quitters? I hope not, or we truly are doomed.
 
That's not just sayin', that's fact checking my horrible math skills... One of the key reasons I called this thread Fact Checking an FICA Cap Removal Article... :)

And I'm aware that the chances of the general population ever getting a fair deal is slim to none. But if people don't try, it's a guarantee they won't. Are we a nation of quitters? I hope not, or we truly are doomed.
I quit caring. At this point, I've resigned myself to just sitting back and watching the sh*t-show unfurl. Hell, four years from now, we'll be lucky if SS hasn't been completely privatized.
 


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