Fauci says the public is ‘misinterpreting’ the CDC’s latest mask guidance

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Just got of phone with my niece. Her SO is a hair stylist here in NY. Because of job, stylists AND customers still required to wear masks. Well, a guy came into salon, and refused to wear his mask at first, then put it on incorrectly (just over mouth). Wanted no part of putting the mask on. Went into a rant toward Michelle and other stylists. Michelle, a pretty even tempered lady lost it, and pretty much told him where to put the mask if he refused to wear it properly.
He sputtered and ranted more, threatened violence so, got kicked out and BANNED. His wife came in and continued the rant. SHe banned now too. They salon has cameras.
But in the heat of the moment, Michelle almost got fired. Until the couple kept trying to come in, went on FB with rant and all that stuff. The salon did not call the cops, but will do in future if they need to have have them arrested.
 

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Marie5656 said:
Just got of phone with my niece. Her SO is a hair stylist here in NY. Because of job, stylists AND customers still required to wear masks. Well, a guy came into salon, and refused to wear his mask at first, then put it on incorrectly (just over mouth). Wanted no part of putting the mask on. Went into a rant toward Michelle and other stylists. Michelle, a pretty even tempered lady lost it, and pretty much told him where to put the mask if he refused to wear it properly.
He sputtered and ranted more, threatened violence so, got kicked out and BANNED. His wife came in and continued the rant. SHe banned now too. They salon has cameras.
But in the heat of the moment, Michelle almost got fired. Until the couple kept trying to come in, went on FB with rant and all that stuff. The salon did not call the cops, but will do in future if they need to have have them arrested.
The anti maskers are nuts.
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I think you're painting with a pretty broad brush. I know many anti-maskers who respectfully abide by business mask policies, myself being one of them. Fortunately, the mask mandate here ends tomorrow. Businesses that persist in requiring masks will soon likely either change or loose a lot of business.
 
JonDouglas said:
Some folks here aren't going to like this but a major story about Fauci is hitting the wires. "Fauci in 2012: Gain-Of Function Research Into Bat Viruses is Worth The Risk Of A Pandemic.: Title and link is from The Federalist but it was also on other sites and Twitter. I have no idea of its validity other than to note that where there's a lot of smoke, there can be fire. If true, the word ignominious comes to mind. If false, the words "sitting duck" come to mind.
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The NIAID, Nat'l Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the NIH, Nat'l Institutes of Health, gave research grant money to the Wuhan Institutes of Virology to study bat-coronaviruses. (The source said the grant money was used by the Wuhan lab, so I won't say it was given to them directly.) Fauci is director of the NIAID.

I'm not going to link the source here because it's included with stuff that might be considered inappropriate/political, but I'll PM it to you if you'd like to check it out.
 
Yesterday, I was shopping at Trader Joe's (Woodland Hills, CA) & for the first time, I saw 5 people without masks. No one seemed concerned & no one avoided them. But all employees & most shoppers wore masks, including me. I won't be comfortable without a mask until at least half of shoppers aren't wearing one. I hate making people nervous - silly as it is.
 
Murrmurr said:
The NIAID, Nat'l Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, part of the NIH, Nat'l Institutes of Health, gave research grant money to the Wuhan Institutes of Virology to study bat-coronaviruses. (The source said the grant money was used by the Wuhan lab, so I won't say it was given to them directly.) Fauci is director of the NIAID.

I'm not going to link the source here because it's included with stuff that might be considered inappropriate/political, but I'll PM it to you if you'd like to check it out.
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Below is something I read that seems to reflect a growing sentiment.

At the end of the day, Fauci is a mediocre scientist who excelled at being a bureaucrat. In the last few years, especially last year, a combination of hubris, arrogance and, perhaps, a touch of incipient senility, caused him to use his authority to destroy the American economy and, quite possibly, prematurely end several hundred thousand American lives. There should be a prison cell awaiting him for a lifetime stay.​
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I do have to agree that Fauci excels at being a bureaucrat. Looking at what stats I can, I also agree that the lockdown and destruction of our small business economy was probably an incredibly stupid move prompted by some serious fear-mongering.
 
On the subject of masks: A study from the University of Louisville had this to say (summarized below):

Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide mask mandates and mask use are associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States.​
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Methods We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates.​
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Results Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates, and surges were equivocal. Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high transmission rates. Growth rates were comparable between states in the first and last mask use quintiles adjusted for normalized total cases early in the pandemic and unadjusted after peak Fall-Winter infections. Mask use did not predict Summer 2020 case growth for non-Northeast states or Fall-Winter 2020 growth for all continental states.​
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Conclusions Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges. Containment requires future research and implementation of existing efficacious strategies.​

In the final analysis, there's always the science if not common sense - if the air you breath in and out can get through the mask, which it must if you're to not pass out, so can covid molecules.
 
JonDouglas said:
On the subject of masks: A study from the University of Louisville had this to say (summarized below):

Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates. We hypothesized that statewide mask mandates and mask use are associated with lower COVID-19 case growth rates in the United States.​
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Methods We calculated total COVID-19 case growth and mask use for the continental United States with data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. We estimated post-mask mandate case growth in non-mandate states using median issuance dates of neighboring states with mandates.​
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Results Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates, and surges were equivocal. Mask use predicted lower case growth at low, but not high transmission rates. Growth rates were comparable between states in the first and last mask use quintiles adjusted for normalized total cases early in the pandemic and unadjusted after peak Fall-Winter infections. Mask use did not predict Summer 2020 case growth for non-Northeast states or Fall-Winter 2020 growth for all continental states.​
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Conclusions Mask mandates and use are not associated with slower state-level COVID-19 spread during COVID-19 growth surges. Containment requires future research and implementation of existing efficacious strategies.​

In the final analysis, there's always the science if not common sense - if the air you breath in and out can get through the mask, which it must if you're to not pass out, so can covid molecules.
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Very few doctors have the nerve to expose the fallacy of masks' effectiveness; it could hurt their careers.
But (months ago), one doctor who did said "It's like putting up a chain-link fence to keep mosquitoes out."
 
Nathan said:
That's one of countless lies spread by the former administration: nbcmiami.com
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To set the record straight, this was taken out of context and is a political setup by a predominately liberal media company. I will not comment on what was correctly stated, so as not to violate the forum's position on "Politics." If I would state the original version, it would only begin a political discussion and then we would all be history.
What I will tell you is that if you dig deep enough using different websites, you will discover the truth, if that's what you are interested in.

I find it bewildering that so many people in this country have fallen into these traps committed by the main street media companies. They take a line from any politician and then rewrite it to fit their narrative. We have all become echolalia's of the different political talking heads, no matter the party. I tell everyone to please think for yourself. It has gotten so bad in this country that the fact checkers can't even be believed.
 
Been There said:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...rus-research-was-revoked-just-got-a-new-grant
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So your linked article and my linked article contain similar accounts of the grant to EcoHealth, but my original post was in response to Gaer's earlier post suggesting that Dr. Fauci had some kind of financial interest in the Wuhan lab.
Gaer said:
Didn't we all stop listening to Fauci when we found out he had financial interests in the Wuhan lab?
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Perhaps it would have been more to the point to ask:

"Either show us proof that Dr. Fauci had financial interests in the Wuhan lab, or quit making false and inflammatory statements."
 
Knowing what I do about the medical profession and some of its researchers, I've long thought personally that since corona has been around for ages, that more has been going on in various labs, testing a variety of virus strains and their affect on human beings. Whatever went wrong here, assuming that it did, it's very odd indeed that a vaccine on several fronts surfaced so quickly. I have my own ideas on the entire affair, but all I will say about it, is this, beware of what is going on behind closed doors and endorsed by your government.
 
Lewkat said:
Knowing what I do about the medical profession and some of its researchers, I've long thought personally that since corona has been around for ages, that more has been going on in various labs, testing a variety of virus strains and their affect on human beings. Whatever went wrong here, assuming that it did, it's very odd indeed that a vaccine on several fronts surfaced so quickly. I have my own ideas on the entire affair, but all I will say about it, is this, beware of what is going on behind closed doors and endorsed by your government.
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It is wise to not to assume government bureaucracies are telling you the truth. You can be certain they're most often not telling you the whole truth.
 
win231 said:
Yesterday, I was shopping at Trader Joe's (Woodland Hills, CA) & for the first time, I saw 5 people without masks. No one seemed concerned & no one avoided them. But all employees & most shoppers wore masks, including me. I won't be comfortable without a mask until at least half of shoppers aren't wearing one. I hate making people nervous - silly as it is.
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They have lift mask wearing in some stores and I am soooo glad. I still use hand sanitizer and wipe down my shopping cart which I always did prior to Covid. I think people that are vax feel comfortable not wearing a mask.. some do, some don't. Hubby is vax he is taking it slow in not wearing a mask.. I am sure it will take some getting use to for vax and un-vax people. You will soon see more - vax and unvax people without mask but a few will continue to wear them - vax and unvax. I feel comfortable in not wearing one - I feel like I am suffocating with a mask on.
 
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