Feeling alone while being with family.

Holly1936

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I am 77, widowed 27 years and have 3 grown productive happy children, their spouses and children. I live about 2 hours from each. I have one sister also widowed whom I live close to. My sister and I care for our 103 year old father on alternate days.

Even though I’m a part of the lives of these people I never feel they are a part of mine. Tonight I’m sitting at Magic Kingdom with all 9 of my kids and grandkids and I feel so lonely

Thing is, I have no one to talk to about this. My sister has her life and my kids theirs. I miss my husband.
 

Unfortunately, just being with people or family doesn't always provide the intimate connection that's needed to alleviate loneliness. A room full of warm bodies won't alleviate loneliness if there's no intimate connection between them. Often, being in that situation with other people can make you feel even more alone than if you were actually by yourself. A connection involves interest from both parties involved. You can't force anyone to be interested and you can't develop an intimate connection if interest is one-sided.

Holly, I'm sorry you're feeling this way. I don't have a solution, but I hope being able to talk to us about it helps you a little.
 
It’s part of the age gap. In psychology, I learned that young people do not enjoy conversing with older people. It’s a fact of life. Yes, in some families, that rule does not apply. Even I notice that younger groups of people don’t normally engage with older persons. Why that is I don’t know, but a psychologist once said that the reason this happens is because younger people see themselves in the older people’s shoes someday. They don’t like to be reminded that “the old person in front of me will be me someday.” Staying in their own circle makes them feel safer and more comfortable.

If you want to engage in a younger person’s conversation find out their interests and then bring it up in discussion. They will gladly discuss things that deal with what their interests are. I ask my grandson, “What new games are you playing?” He knows I mean internet games. He likes to talk about the games that require strategy. My granddaughters like to talk about their college studies. I try to keep up, but a lot of what’s new today is over my head.

As soon as I start out a conversation with, “Back in the day…….” They seem to tune me out. All but my one grandson. I think I am second in line to God to him. He sticks to me like glue. He loves hearing my farm stories and my cop stories. He’s a city cop now, but when he finishes college, he’s going to apply to the state police.
 
Welcome here Holly and I too am a widow . others here as well, some widowers too ,and I think the loneliness comes from being without a spouse you loved. The Holidays can be very challenging , particularly when our children live far away from us.

I learned one thing about feeling lonely- I try to do Something-anything, instead of just allowing the loneliness to sweep over me.
And as a widow some of my long time friendships have changed. I was widowed twice , and some of the couples we were friends with, stopped inviting me to their gatherings, since I became a single person. I still get an occasion call from some of them.

That's OK because I found other friends-and still am friendly with couples we knew, but we have to be careful of who we trust, if we try to make new friends.

One couple did ask me over for lunch a few times. (in the past 29 years my husband has been dead.)The last time there was another widow there, a neighbor who had purchased some hay or something from them, and we were talking a bit about how challenging it can be to be alone.My long time girl friend said 'gee-I have never given that a thought' and I said ' well 50 % of every married person, if they stay together, will understand what it is like.' She questioned what I meant- and maybe that is why she never asked me over her house again.

Your feelings are normal and I find that if I feel very lonely, I have a tendency to withdraw from others- and that is Not a good idea at all.

If I had to list the three most prevalent and painful parts of widowhood it would be
1. the loneliness factor, even with family and friends,
2.The economic challenges for so many bereaved people and
3.the fact that others will try to take advantage of us.

They are few and far between but that is hurtful and upsetting....and sometimes they are people we never dreamed would do that to us.

This is a Great site. I am glad you are here!
 
Welcome here Holly and I too am a widow . others here as well, some widowers too ,and I think the loneliness comes from being without a spouse you loved. The Holidays can be very challenging , particularly when our children live far away from us.

I learned one thing about feeling lonely- I try to do Something-anything, instead of just allowing the loneliness to sweep over me.
And as a widow some of my long time friendships have changed. I was widowed twice , and some of the couples we were friends with, stopped inviting me to their gatherings, since I became a single person. I still get an occasion call from some of them.

That's OK because I found other friends-and still am friendly with couples we knew, but we have to be careful of who we trust, if we try to make new friends.

One couple did ask me over for lunch a few times. (in the past 29 years my husband has been dead.)The last time there was another widow there, a neighbor who had purchased some hay or something from them, and we were talking a bit about how challenging it can be to be alone.My long time girl friend said 'gee-I have never given that a thought' and I said ' well 50 % of every married person, if they stay together, will understand what it is like.' She questioned what I meant- and maybe that is why she never asked me over her house again.

Your feelings are normal and I find that if I feel very lonely, I have a tendency to withdraw from others- and that is Not a good idea at all.

If I had to list the three most prevalent and painful parts of widowhood it would be
1. the loneliness factor, even with family and friends,
2.The economic challenges for so many bereaved people and
3.the fact that others will try to take advantage of us.

They are few and far between but that is hurtful and upsetting....and sometimes they are people we never dreamed would do that to us.

This is a Great site. I am glad you are here!
Some of that can apply to a marriage ending due to divorce as well. I remember when my first marriage ended in divorce, a female co-worker (who was divorced) warned me that I was going to lose all my married female friends, unless my friendship with them had started before either one of us was married. I didn't believe her at first but soon found out she was right.
 
There's certainly a difference between being with people verses being engaged with people. I never liked being the center of attention or making small talk so have felt alone many times when surrounded by people. The only advise I can offer is to ask questions, most people love to talk about themselves and will talk your ear off.

Welcome to this forum. Even if we aren't physically present in each other's lives we still have a presence in each other's lives, sometimes you just have to make do.
 
Yes, very true about the couples thing. I haven’t spoken to any of the couple friends we had in common since we split up seven years ago. I suppose a single person is some kind of subconscious threat to the married social order. I do have men friends from sports activities, but there is little interaction with their spouses.

The biggest change came with retirement. I was already divorced a couple years when that occurred. Didn’t realize how much socialization I got from work. It was an adjustment.
 
Funny (peculiar funny, not haha funny) how things happen sometimes. Just last night Huzz and I went out to dinner with 1 couple who are friends and another couple that Huzz knows a lot better than I do (I had only met them once before). Welp, I was seated at the end of the table with the wife of that 2nd couple on my side. She just about ignored me the whole night. The times I glanced at her thinking about starting a conversation, I only saw the side or back of her head while she was either conversing with the 2 other males besides my huzz or intently listening to those other 2 males. All night.

She wasn't doing it in a flirty way; it was that thing woman do who find all men more interesting than all other women; you know, a "worshipper"-of-males type of gal. I've met so many of those in my life. When I was in high/secondary school and surrounded by gals like that and was one myself but then grew out of it, it has constantly surprised me over the years that so many gals never grow out of it.

Huzz said, "Well, why didn't you engage her in conversation?" I would've had to forcibly tap her on the shoulder to get her attention and my mother always told me not to touch people unless I knew them really well, since a lot of people would rather not be touched by those they don't know well (and some they do!).

So (finally getting to the point) maybe that personality type explains why when a marriage ends for whatever reason, why a newly-single man will have everybody falling over him, trying to fix him up with someone, bringing/having him over for meals, holidays, checking in on him, etc., while a newly-single woman will get dropped like a hot potato and forgotten all about.
 
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(TL:Dr at bottom if anyone doesn't want to read this rather lengthy psot.)

I have felt isolated for decades. 37 years ago I split state with my child to protect her from her abusive father who later offed himself instead of serving the time after being convicted of abusing other children but, man, is protecting your child in such a drastic manner ever isolating.

People will say they admire you for it or shake their head and say they could never do it. Which absolutely horrifies me. I used to think yes, you could. You just don't know that because you haven't been contronted with the failure of the family court system to serve the best interest of the child which leaves you with two options, doing that or looking the other way while your child is abused

To me, it was who could look the other way while their child is abused but I've come to realize that they absolutely do mean it. Which absolutely horrifies me. I try not to judge but I just can't help it. I find it absolutely abhorrent that there are those who just give up on protecting their child. Then there's the ones who never bring it to court and hush it up due to religion or being financially dependent on the abuser..

That's even more inexcusable. It's hard to get along with people due to this being just too weird for them to handle. Looking back, I suppose I could have lied and claimed to be widowed or something. Even somewhat true given he offed himself rather than do the time though we were already divorced at the time.

But I've revere the truth and have never been comfortable with lying. Truth telling has always gotten me into serious trouble. Look up honest to a fault in the dictionary and my picture will be next to it. Then everything in me protests how's it a fault to be honest?

The lack of diplomacy. That's how. But, in the case, of this - exactly what lie do I tell? Make up some horrendous lie that I have to keep embellishing the details of and can't bring receipts as the young folks say? If I say he offed himself then there's the whole lot of questions why and it'll wind up as bad as the truth anyway, especially since some are idiot enough to blame the spouse. You wouldn't think my truth would be bad but even when people honestly admire me for protecting my child, the truth overwhelms them and they keep themselves at arm's length from such a mess.

Then there's those who judge me for my poor choice in husbands as if child abusers come with the mark of Cain. Man, it'd be so much easier to protect our children and so many less children would be victims if they did.

Then there's my own repulsion at the women who whisper to me, I couldn't do that. If they don't also admit to looking the other way - a surprising lot do; do they expect approval from someone who couldn't - I've always said, yes, you could. You don't know how strong you are until you need to be.

Then there's the fact that it isn't just my child that had emotinal scars to get over but I do also. Also, the fact that merely resorting to such action impoverished me for the rest of my life. I consider myself lower middle class not poor but I will always be poorer for having done this. Thousands of dollars a year poorer.

To start with, I took a $7,000 a year pay cut in 1986. According to the inflation calculator that's $19,650 today. There's simply no keeping up with the Joneses. And, to be honest with myself, I'm lower middle class now that she's middle-aged and, hence, long grown and gone. We struggled on my secretarial wage when she was growing up.

I worked government jobs so I have Social Security and a state pension - both of which are lower due to income being lower for having fled state. I'm currently the best financially than I ever have been but, while I do consider it lower middle class, I'm well aware that most would consider it poor. I don't live in the inner city, don't depend on or qualify for anything like HEAP, food stamps, Medicaid and so on. If I had to be dependent on just Social Security, I would. My pension puts me just over the limit for such things. Just as my income when my daughter was growing up did.

Basically, it's been isolating on those two levels. People are weirded out by the situation which I don't deny and refuse to hide because I think these things need exposure. Those who abuse children should be named and shamed though it doesn't appear my honesty or the honesty of others in my situation has changed anything. Children are preyed on more than ever. Either that are we know about it more than ever due to the internet.

In any case, few people are really comfortable hanging out with someone whose life story could be made into several Lifetime movies. Those few are quality and I've always preferred a handful of quality friends to a large circle of acquaintances. So okay.

Then add on the poverty and me not having the money to spend on entertainment. There was no such thing as extra. Large tax refunds due to credits for earned income and day care went to much needed clothes for both of us every year as well as big ticket items like furniture - and, yes, I bought used where possible. I never would risk used mattresses or anything with cushions that bed bugs or other bugs like fleas could be hiding in.

I did take pride in supporting my daughter without child support or welfare but when I was an obvious single mother, I also suffered the stigma of that and the automatic assumption that I was a "welfare" mother. This angered me because I took great pride in not being one and I think they'd have liked me better if I were a welfare mother they could pity and feel superior to than my drawing myself up and saying icily I am not on welfare nor do I get child support. I provide for my child. She is my responsibility.

There is also the once burned; twice shy syndrome. I know how thoroughly you can wreck your life picking the wrong mate so I became a woman going her own way and avoid having one at all. It's not a need though our society treats it as if it is but people think that's just plain weird also to not be half of a couple. I know there's good guys out there. I just don't trust my judgement between being able to tell the good from the bad.

The bad ones are such good actors and pretending to be loving and caring until they blow up in your face. Last one that did that was just a few years ago. I'm done. I'm not giving any guy a chance anymore. It ain't worth it. People cannot comprehend choosing to be alone - which I have most of my adult life to be honest with just a few guys over the years gettiing through that wall I built up - and that also makes them shy away from me.

I had those few quality friends but then they seemed to fade away as I also grew ill and disabled. That's also been hugely isolating. I can't do things. That makes me not a very fun friend and my history and my reluctance to partner up with someone just makes me a weirdo in most people's eyes.

I have only a few friends left. One of my closest is a 27yo I've been friends with since he was 15. I think he made a Grandma substitute of me becasue he had just lost his grandmother who he was very close to. This is a friendship I cherish and he is happily planning his marriage so I'm utterly delighted for him. His fiance is a lovely girl. I am friends - as in friendly - with some of the neighbors in my building. That's it. My family and this young man are my only close friends.

My daughter has moved a few states away and now has a six hour drive to my apartment which she makes every two or three weeks. Grandson went with her and her husband (not his father, though, of course, his stepfather but they married when he was 17). I see her then and grandson and son-in-law even less often as they don't always accompany her due to work or other obligations.

This breaks my heart. I remember once being very close to both my daughter and grandson but soon as they grew up, they grew distant and I'm left tyring to understand why. I don't suffocate. I encourage their independence so why does growing up have to mean ignoring your parent/grandparent?

Sometimes when they do visit, I suffer from that same syndrome and feel alone in a room even with them. Grandson and son-in-law bury themselves in their phones and I think that horribly rude but there's utterly no point in protesting because it'd only result in a fight.

Daughter busies herself with something she thinks will help me. Some does; some doesn't really but she is super-sensitive and the reaction if I say I'd prefer her company is not something one wants to deal with. We've been there, done that and have reached a semi-awkward middle where she does a couple of things for me because when I complained she protested she wanted to be helpful and to not let her made her feel useless.

I think there's something horribly wrong with my feeling closer to the 27yo than I do my own family. In feeling that he understands me and they don't. Nine out of ten times, they just don't want to hear my opinions on anything. The tenth is when I agree with them.

So we talk about mundane shit whereas the 27yo and I talk about everything under the sun and respect each other even when we disagree, there's no walking on eggshells, we're just out there and even exchange the fiction we both write. The only thing he gets frustrated with is my lack of ambition with my fiction, my not wanting to publish. He's 27, he still has dreams of being a writer and quitting his day job. That period of my life is long gone.

Once in a while, we'll have a day where the phones are put down and we actually have a good time together. This happened this Thanksgiving and it actually felt good but it's all too rare.

TL;DR: All this was my horribly long way (I apologize for going on so long) of saying I understand how you feel. I feel lonely as all get out and have for decades. Hence, we're both here. At least we have this for some social interaction.
 
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My daughter has moved a few states away and now has a six hour drive to my apartment which she makes every two or three weeks


that's incredible... a 6 hour drive every 3 weeks.. wow, good for her!


I;d be delighted with that.... that's one heckava drive every 3 weeks... My daughter lives 2 hours away.. she comes here once a year...
 
I'm recently widowed (October) and I miss talking to my husband, so I still do. No grandchildren and my step-son and step-daughter and her husband live in AZ where we use to live. We moved back to PA in late Feb., 2022 so I don't have any connections here. I do have two wonderful neighbor ladies and we keep track of each other. They're 85 and 89 and I'm the "young" one at 77.

I was an only child and spent most of my time entertaining myself so I'm not exactly lonely. It feels strange not to have my husband here but I always had my alone time in the afternoons even when he was here. I am a quilter, crocheter, cross stitcher, and wool stitcher so I keep busy.

Maybe you would feel more comfortable with people your own age at a senior center or a church group. We're here to listen any time you need to "talk". (((HUGS)))
 
Since I am the one who moved away and loosened ties with my family I am not entitled to complain, however, there is a freedom and peace that can be obtained in being alone that is not possible when surrounded by others.

I like 911's advice about "aksing questions". Nearly everyone likes to talk about self.
 
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My daughter has moved a few states away and now has a six hour drive to my apartment which she makes every two or three weeks


that's incredible... a 6 hour drive every 3 weeks.. wow, good for her!


I;d be delighted with that.... that's one heckava drive every 3 weeks... My daughter lives 2 hours away.. she comes here once a year...
I have a son that lives 40 miles from me and hasn't come to see me since we came back from AZ in late Feb., 2022. Actually, he hasn't seen me or spoken to me since 2014.
 
I know what you mean. I never married or had children. All relatives have passed away excpet 3 aunts by marriage and 5 cousins on my mom's side of the family. I have three cousins on my dad's side but wouldn't know them if I saw them. Sometimes my mom's side of the family get together for a party. I attend but always feel like there's a wall between me and other people.
 
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I am 77, widowed 27 years and have 3 grown productive happy children, their spouses and children. I live about 2 hours from each. I have one sister also widowed whom I live close to. My sister and I care for our 103 year old father on alternate days.

Even though I’m a part of the lives of these people I never feel they are a part of mine. Tonight I’m sitting at Magic Kingdom with all 9 of my kids and grandkids and I feel so lonely

Thing is, I have no one to talk to about this. My sister has her life and my kids theirs. I miss my husband.
This is partly why I'm joining the Senior Center. Family are family. You love them and they love you and you have family time together. However, you need friends that you can relate more with. That understand what it's like to be your age. That you can gossip about your family with. 😊 And for singles, meet someone to go to dinner with.
 
I don't feel age is a factor for companionship. I always advise senior ladies, you are as beautiful as you want to be.
When younger, females always were prim and proper. Why stop because you are now alone. Prim and proper in
case a man gives you the eye. But never be too trusting............
 
This is partly why I'm joining the Senior Center. Family are family. You love them and they love you and you have family time together. However, you need friends that you can relate more with. That understand what it's like to be your age. That you can gossip about your family with. 😊 And for singles, meet someone to go to dinner with.
I went to the senior center, looked around a bit and thought, I'm not ready for this. 🙂
 
I went to the senior center, looked around a bit and thought, I'm not ready for this. 🙂
I hear ya. The senior center closest to me is mostly for the frail, “older” elderly or those with mobility challenges. I see the assisted living vans letting folks out there. The younger/more mobile seniors are over at the driving range/golf course and pickleball courts in the same complex.
 
Holly, the feelings you have described are much like the ones new widows feel.
You may have been widowed for 27 years, but it sounds as though you are still grieving over your loss. You stated that you miss your husband, yet that was 27 years ago. Have you really gotten over his passing?
Maybe there's a "grief counsellor, or group you could attend? What the hey, at least it'll get you outta the house.
 


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