Financia Advisors good/bad

Smoaky

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Before retiring reading articles and talking to others most recommended getting a financial advisor. I did and regret it. I had not done my homework about investments, taxes, and other so that is on me. I was thinking what would happen was the opposite of what did happen.

I am not suggesting other do not get one, but am stating don't get one without doing a lot of research, and self education before you do chose one.
 
A friend of mine claimed that her advisor was the best so I gave him a call, he said that since I had so little at that time I should buy only Cisco at $80/share. I knew about diversification so I followed my own instincts. Shortly after that Cisco fell and stayed down for a long time so I would not have done well. Instead, I put my pennies into medical and pharma self directed funds at Fidelity and have done very well, diversifying more as time went on while paying very little in fees. If I make an investing mistake, it is mine to own and I have enough brain cells left to make corrections instead of blindly paying someone commissions.
Ric Edelman has good book about money which I recommend.
 
recommended getting a financial advisor. I did and regret it
I always just used the free one provided by Fidelity, but that didn't work out well for me.

I wish I'd had a good advisor.

Now I either ask questions on the early retirement forum (lots of good info there), or wing it (with less than optimal results), except lately I ask either CHATGPT or Gemini, and that doesn't always work out well (tho I guess when AI said semiconductors have a good 5 year outlook I can't blame it for the price dropping 4% within hours of me purchasing (stupid war)).
 
I always just used the free one provided by Fidelity, but that didn't work out well for me.

I wish I'd had a good advisor.

Now I either ask questions on the early retirement forum (lots of good info there), or wing it (with less than optimal results), except lately I ask either CHATGPT or Gemini, and that doesn't always work out well (tho I guess when AI said semiconductors have a good 5 year outlook I can't blame it for the price dropping 4% within hours of me purchasing (stupid war)).
Keep your eyes on the horizon, not the incoming waves.
2007-8 I lost a lot but when the market rebounded I was way ahead of the game because I did not sell out of fear. I really can't imagine using the internet for investment advice because they can be too easily manipulated. Instead invest in things you understand and use solid research.
 
Instead invest in things you understand and use solid research.
LOL, if I only invested in something I understood, my money would have to all be in cash. Though I guess I could have done better research than when AI said semiconductors, I was like "hmm, I've heard that word, I guess its a good idea".
 
We have a great financial advisor. So very happy we have him to do the grunt work, the paperwork, keep up on tax laws, etc.
Of course we do our homework too, and he does nothing without our approval.
 
Sadly, a profession where finding a good and competent one is like finding a diamond in a bucket of cubic zirconia.

I have had same person for 30 yrs now.
has always steered me well called out of blue if they wanted me to switch something up as they read the tea leaves. trust (both ways) and the ability to not be sold on junk is key. Doing research yourself is a good way to ask better questions etc.
 
Having grown up in the "too big to fail" debacle and hearing about local financial "advisors" disappearing with everyone's money, I have always split our money between two separate groups - just in case. We have half with Thrivent and half with Prudential. Both were started with just a little money and have grown over the years that we haven't had to tap them for anything just yet.

I had some business education in college and have attended several "free" seminars (where they give you dinner and try to get you to invest) over the years - just to learn whats going on. I had a few questions for them where, I already knew the answer and could gauge their knowledge and attitude. I don't mind paying some fees - this is THEIR job after all. I pretty much told the Prudential guy, "Make me some money so we can retire" and he did just that.

One piece of advice - DO NOT walk into an Advisor's office and tell him/her that you have no idea what to do with your money. They WILL take advantage of you!! Do, at least, some homework and ask questions about investing or annuities or something general. They will take you more seriously if they know you're watching carefully, what they do.
 
>>My take is that if you have acquired wealth on your own, you're doing okay and don't need someone telling you what to do with your money. >>

On the contrary, if you want to HOLD ON and GROW your investible assets, then good professional advice from an experienced fiduciary can be extremely helpful. We have certainly found it so.

We would not have started a DAF if our CFP firm had not suggested it to us when we told them we would be increasing our charitable donations going forward. I knew DAFs existed, but had no idea it was applicable to our situation. We were always barely middle class in earnings/savings, even a few years after retirement.

I made all the savings/investment decisions while we were working. But in retirement, we had accumulated enough assets through inheritance that I did not want the hassle of dealing with the tax situation on distributions, especially in light of using some foreign-based funds and the Alternative Minimum Tax threatening.

I was fortunate to have worked in the Fin. Svcs. industry and so had contacts to refer us to independent CFP firms that the average person will never hear about. They don't do "hard" advertising; >80% of their business will come from personal referrals, such as we received.

This is the critical sticking point for the middle-class. In many ways they need good financial advice most of all - but because everyone's situation is unique, working with a $200,000 portfolio takes as much time as a $2,000,000 or even a $20,000,000 portfolio. So inevitably, the best pros work with higher-net worth clients, because it's the most efficient use of their time. Like attorneys, doctors, insurance agent, et. al., time = money + requisite expertise.

The OP learned a valuable lesson and it is an important point worth noting. Not even the best professionals can be of much help if you do not know, or have not completed, the basics of financial planning. There is a ton of good quality, free information on the web. Read them!

ANY professional welcomes a more informed client. They can teach you the basics, but you are paying premium rates for it - why do so, when you can learn the basics for free? It's like going to an insurance broker and saying, "I don't know what insurance is, or what it's good for, or why I need it at all. Can you explain all of it to me so I can figure out what to do?"

If you know the basics, you can better understand WHAT questions to ask, and how the answers may or may not fit your situation. YOU are the manager of the relationship; if you work together, more can be achieved.

For example:
  • Do you have a will? It was surprising how many people wanted an interview with the CFP I worked for, but hadn't even thought about making a will yet, let alone knowing whether or not they needed a trust. No Power of Attorney, no Healthcare Directive - zip. Nada. Tip: You won't get accepted as a client by a reputable CFP firm if you don't have those documents for their own records.

  • What are your short-term goals? What are your mid-range goals? What's your budget and your plan for retirement? Are you staying in your house forever or downsizing to a senior facility in your later years? If you're a couple, have you had serious discussions to see if you both agree on the same goals? You'd be surprised how many couples haven't a clue as to what the other person REALLY wants to do in retirement.

  • What are the obstacles that YOU think might prevent you from achieving any of those goals? How good is your health? Your partner's health? What's your family histories of health?

  • Are you aware of the impact of inflation on your retirement income 15 or 20 years down the road?

  • How is your career going? Is it stable, or threatened by outside factors? Is there a pension or retirement annuity if you are vested?

  • When the market plunges - like now, or as it did in 2008-9 - did you "ride it out" or panic and sell?

  • Do you know some of the basic financial terminology? What is NAV? What is LIFO vs FIFO?

  • Do you have kids? Or grandkids? Or elderly relatives to care for?
We use a fee-only independent CFP firm and are extremely satisfied with their performance, meeting with them regularly. We use them not for me, but for my spouse, heirs, and successor trustee (should she be needed). Most people do not enjoy the decision-making on investments, distributions, and taxes - especially in stressful situations such as eldercare emergency, disability or death.

Having a fiduciary backstop is a "peace of mind" solution, and thus, worth it for us on that basis alone. Fortunately, with their investment advice we have earned more than we have taken out in disbursements, putting us ahead of the game (thankfully!).
 
What are your short-term goals? What are your mid-range goals? What's your budget and your plan for retirement? Are you staying in your house forever or downsizing to a senior facility in your later years? If you're a couple, have you had serious discussions to see if you both agree on the same goals? You'd be surprised how many couples haven't a clue as to what the other person REALLY wants to do in retirement.
That is a huge issue! The husband of a friend of mine retired a few years back and they moved to western PA to be near a new grandchild. Turns out they never discussed retirement. She expected to live in downtown Pittsburgh and take advantage of the culture, museums, theater, music, etc. HE, on the other hand, expected to live out in the country on 5+acres. It took them months to come to some compromise and ended up in an "executive" suburban neighborhood which sounded boring to me.

DH and I have talked retirement to death and are still making plans. We put our names on two wait lists when we got to Maine. Good thing we did as now we're near the top. But, our first choice CCRC has doubled their prices so we're now looking at our back up. It is a great place but farther away from our current friends and groups. Decisions to be made until the end!
 
We considered getting a financial adviser but glad we didn’t. We did a lot of research about investments and asked chat GTP a lot of questions. We decided on investing in tax free savings accounts and other types of investments. So far we have done really well and are glad we listened to chat GTP and our own intuition.
 
I am a big proponent of using a financial advisor. My father was one, so like all good sons I chose another career path and suddenly found myself lost when he passed away unexpectedly and left his estate in equities. I studied everything I could get my hands on just to get a top-level idea about the markets. I met with HIS advisor and when informing him I had an elderly mother he immediately sold me two annuities. Although they did well over the years, equities could have easily outperformed them with fewer costs involved. I started looking for another advisor.

I was lucky to be working for a major corporation at the time and started asking around. Even the top executives in the company recommended a particular advisor. I contacted him and we worked together for many years until he passed away. He did very well for me and was always open to a quick call to discuss possible investments. I knew enough to sound intelligent and make recommendations. I was assigned to another advisor in his firm who has the same receptive, calming way to discuss the market. I know just enough to be dangerous, so having a financial advisor has been crucial.

Many financial advisors now keep similar portfolios for all their clients so they can easily move things around based on the markets, but they also need to have the ability to look at your own requirements (age, time to retirement, household expenses) and personalize your portfolio. In my case, I called my advisor in March 2025 and asked him to move me into more-risk averse investments due to the current "administration" being so erratic. (Boy, has been true!) He recommended certain bonds and treasuries and I've been pleased.

Do you have any friends who are in the market who could possibly make recommendations? I find that's the way to go.
 
when informing him I had an elderly mother he immediately sold me two annuities. Although they did well over the years, equities could have easily outperformed them with fewer costs involved.
At least that sounds like the right scenario for annuities, isn't it? Now that I'm getting older and more conservative in my investments, and see how many times in the past the market went sideways for years and years, I have a different attitude to financial instruments that have a trade-off of some performance for more income surety.
 
At least that sounds like the right scenario for annuities, isn't it? Now that I'm getting older and more conservative in my investments, and see how many times in the past the market went sideways for years and years, I have a different attitude to financial instruments that have a trade-off of some performance for more income surety.
They absolutely make sense for some. My mother was only in her 60's at the time and her 4-bedroom house in South Florida was completely paid for. She was also left with a sizable portfolio and a decent monthly pension from my father. She never needed the money, even when she went into assisted living. They were simply liquidated when they came due. It wasn't thoughtful advice in her situation.

Pros of Annuities
  • Guaranteed Income: Many annuities offer a guaranteed income stream for life, protecting against outliving savings.
  • Tax-Deferred Growth: Earnings grow tax-free until withdrawal, allowing for potentially faster accumulation.
  • Protection for Principle:
    Fixed and fixed-indexed annuities provide protection against market downturns, securing your initial investment.
    • Customization: Contracts can be tailored with riders for specific needs, such as inflation protection or death benefits.
    • No Contribution Limits: Unlike 401(k)s or IRAs, there are no IRS limits on how much you can invest in an annuity.
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Cons of Annuities
  • High Fees and Costs: Commissions (1–10%), administrative fees, and mortality/expense risk charges can erode returns.
  • Limited Liquidity: Money is often locked up; withdrawing early can trigger hefty surrender charges.
  • Complexity: Annuity contracts can be difficult to understand, making it hard to evaluate true costs and benefits.
  • Inflation Risk: Fixed payments may not keep pace with inflation, reducing purchasing power over time.
  • Tax Treatment: Withdrawals are taxed as ordinary income, not capital gains, and early withdrawals (<59½) face a 10% penalty.
  • Counterparty Risk: Guarantees depend on the financial strength of the issuing insurance company.
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"....If you know the basics, you can better understand WHAT questions to ask, and how the answers may or may not fit your situation. YOU are the manager of the relationship; if you work together, more can be achieved.....".
I started, in earnest, at learning how to invest in my 20's. I won't detail the countless hours I spent learning all the terminology and all the aspects and things you need to know as mentioned in your posting.
The point it, since I worked at it so much, I figured I did not need a financial advisor and went it alone. Worked out --- retired at 57 and wife was 55 without a pension or other income. But I started early, wife and I lived very frugally, and we accumulated wealth without needing any advice from a person, meaning, didn't need to pay anyone. Also helped that wife was a CPA in a former life. :)
 
It’s not always about making more, sometimes it’s about keeping what we have. Sound advice on taxes, capital gains, sustainable draws, etc… is just as important as what we choose to invest in.

I think that it makes sense to have a financial coach or advisor that helps fine tune our financial affairs but I believe that the ultimate responsibility to understand and make decisions should be ours and ours alone.

If you don’t understand it don’t invest in it until you’ve taken the time to do your own homework and understand the risks involved.

ā€œNobody cares more about your money than you do.ā€ - Suze Orman
 
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