For a girl, acting like a bloke isnt the most appealing behaviour in my old fashioned view

Warrigal said:
I am not laddish but I am a bit animated on social occasions. However, I really don't give a toss what the men think about my presentation and/or behaviour.

Keep chattering away, Gentlemen, but know this, women no longer define themselves the same way that we did half a century ago. Do try to keep up.
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So true :D ..I hear more and more from younger women how men are not as 'necessary' or important to them as they were to their mothers and especially to their grandmothers, great-grandmothers etc..
 

Aunt Bea said:
They certainly aren't as important as they think they are. ;)
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True enough! There are still some older men who are having a hard time seeing male dominance fade. In general, I love men. I have always had more male friends than female, but I also love the fact women are coming into their own and realizing their capabilities and self worth. I have daughters who are both fiercely independent and at the same time have great male relationships.
 

grahamg said:
Here's a thought for someone to consider:
"If", as the research papers above suggest, "laddishness ", (or maybe better described as boorish/loutish behaviour), is on the increase in young women, or being encouraged even, this won't make them easy company for anyone, potential partners or no, male or female. Then this is made even worse in my view, not least because I suspect their new behaviours/characteristics/faults, will be added to those faults they already had, and this unhappy situation won't change either, in most of those individuals I'd guess, if they similarly lack insight into their own failings, or ability to accept them, as many men do!

(I know, all " blah, blah, blah" :) )
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If its boorish for women, does not the same apply when a man does it?
 
grahamg said:
Are you new to the forum, (as well as one of the other guys, who seems a bit disconcerted by a comment he didn't understand the origins of though it was clear enough where it came from in my view)?

I ask because it is of interest, and of course, over time its possible to get an understanding of where folks stand on most issues, and whether they're happy to articulate them, (but dont let me influence you of you wish to keep schtum :whistle:
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I've seen you frequently present what appears to be the content of a boorish troll (I wonder why the word "boorish" keeps popping up in this thread. Duh?!), with you hiding behind, "I'm only quoting someone else," while you picked the content, as dull and childish as it is, and put it out there acting like you've posted some precious jewel, so you can take swipes at others who don't want to play your silly head games. Don't fault me, though. I'm only describing what is happening. What I find interesting here is not the subject matter, but your behavior.
 
Serenity4321 said:
True enough! There are still some older men who are having a hard time seeing male dominance fade. In general, I love men. I have always had more male friends than female, but I also love the fact women are coming into their own and realizing their capabilities and self worth. I have daughters who are both fiercely independent and at the same time have great male relationships.
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One of their true reasons for ending Roe. Direct correlation, IMO, Keep them barefoot & pregnant.
 
JustDave said:
I've seen you frequently present what appears to be the content of a boorish troll (I wonder why the word "boorish" keeps popping up in this thread. Duh?!), with you hiding behind, "I'm only quoting someone else," while you picked the content, as dull and childish as it is, and put it out there acting like you've posted some precious jewel, so you can take swipes at others who don't want to play your silly head games. Don't fault me, though. I'm only describing what is happening. What I find interesting here is not the subject matter, but your behavior.
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I'll quote the whole darn article just for you if it makes you any happier, (which I doubt is possible, even were I to do it),...., so not letting on how new you are(!).

However, you've been watching me and my dreadful ideas, tactics and views hey, "good luck to you, they aren't changing cos of folks like you, be sure of that, and only moderators have the power to shut me up!
 
Serenity4321 said:
True enough! There are still some older men who are having a hard time seeing male dominance fade. In general, I love men. I have always had more male friends than female, but I also love the fact women are coming into their own and realizing their capabilities and self worth. I have daughters who are both fiercely independent and at the same time have great male relationships.
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How nice of you!
 
Aunt Bea said:
They certainly aren't as important as they think they are. ;)
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Now how can you say that, (would you be here without one playing some role in your creation?!).

I'm mortally offended of course, but will have to agree with you in one sense, because it echoes what my mother used to say about feminism, "If a woman has to be like a man, what is a man for"?
 
grahamg said:
However, you've been watching me and my dreadful ideas, tactics and views hey, "good luck to you, they aren't changing cos of folks like you, be sure of that, and only moderators have the power to shut me up!
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I didn't ask you change your ideas, tactics, and views. I don't care about them. And I never asked you to shut up. I doubt that you can. I just think observing your idiosyncrasies is interesting. I'm truly sorry if I struck a nerve. I didn't think anything I observed wasn't something you weren't acutely aware of already.
 
Packerjohn said:
This is a hot topic but I will be short and hopefully "sweet."
I like a woman to act like a lady and I like a man to act like a gentleman.
Seems that good taste and good manners have all but disappeared and I think that is such a shame.
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We all probably "slip up" at times, (some of us more often than we'd like to admit), though perhaps we should reproach ourselves, or accept being reproached a little better, as a way of "assisting the process of learning from our mistakes"!
 
JustDave said:
I didn't ask you change your ideas, tactics, and views. I don't care about them. And I never asked you to shut up. I doubt that you can. I just think observing your idiosyncrasies is interesting. I'm truly sorry if I struck a nerve. I didn't think anything I observed wasn't something you weren't acutely aware of already.
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Okay "big D"!
(at least we've got something to go on should you post again to prove how unruffled you're feeling).

,Oh, and can I shut up,...., well just occasionally and if you'd read more of my posts on this forum you might know I had a " five year silenceothron" once, starting about ten years ago, (,....., halcyon days for folks like you hey!). :)
 
Packerjohn said:
This is a hot topic but I will be short and hopefully "sweet."

I like a woman to act like a lady and I like a man to act like a gentleman.

Seems that good taste and good manners have all but disappeared and I think that is such a shame.
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Yes, it seems as though everyone has something to prove. I'm not going to join in with this discussion because I know that whatever I say, I'll get jumped on.
That last remark is an indication of what is wrong with these discussion sites. It seems impossible to discuss anything without nastiness creeping in.
 
Lavinia said:
Yes, it seems as though everyone has something to prove. I'm not going to join in with this discussion because I know that whatever I say, I'll get jumped on.
That last remark is an indication of what is wrong with these discussion sites. It seems impossible to discuss anything without nastiness creeping in.
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Apologies for my part in the "nastiness" as you rightly call it, (sometimes those involved in a spat aren't as affected by it as those who aren't).

My parents being good examples of this kind of thing, who fought like cat and dog all their married life, though in a "heated manner" more than anything worse, and dad declared to one of my sisters after mum had died, (who'd suggested how much they'd argued), "Did we"?, so was largely oblivious to what he'd taken part in for sixty odd years, by then at least.
 
More research on the thread topic:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1502196

Abstract​

'Laddish' behaviours in school have been identified as impediments to the academic progress of some boys and girls. This article provides and discusses empirical evidence to support Jackson's proposal in an earlier article that 'laddish' behaviours may act to protect the self-worth and/or social worth of many boys, and that 'laddishness' may be prompted by both a fear of academic failure and a fear of the 'feminine'. Drawing upon data from interviews with 50 boys across two secondary schools, the article focuses upon a key characteristic of 'laddishness', namely, the overt rejection of academic work. It is suggested that overtly rejecting academic work serves a dual function for some boys. First, it enables them to act in ways currently consistent with hegemonic forms of masculinity in their schools. Secondly, it provides an excuse for failure and augments success.

More here, (though really concentrating on under achievement in education etc., particularly by boys):
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2003/nov/06/schools.uk3
 
grahamg said:
See whots happened,....., someone else who can't read a "QUOTE" and understand this means it is text taken from an article, hence not the responsibility of the "gentleman" posting it on the forum, (so "do keep up "ursel"!). :(
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Did you not post links to fortify/expand upon/reinforce your opinion? And wasn't your post directly aimed at certain females on this site, no matter how you attempted to talk it back? I recommend that you take a nap and then get your shovel - You'll need it to dig up the past.
 
Em in Ohio said:
Did you not post links to fortify/expand upon/reinforce your opinion? And wasn't your post directly aimed at certain females on this site, no matter how you attempted to talk it back? I recommend that you take a nap and then get your shovel - You'll need it to dig up the past.
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I really don't think I'm that sneaky, or feel the need to use such subterfuge, (added to the fact I'm too stupid/simple to figure out such scenarios, and as proof of this you may notice I'd wrongly assumed one member who got wound up and nonplussed was a man, and referred to them as such!).
 
grahamg said:
Are you new to the forum, (as well as one of the other guys, who seems a bit disconcerted by a comment he didn't understand the origins of though it was clear enough where it came from in my view)?

I ask because it is of interest, and of course, over time its possible to get an understanding of where folks stand on most issues, and whether they're happy to articulate them, (but dont let me influence you of you wish to keep schtum :whistle: ).
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This one,......, (the "he" referred to is a "her", and I'd stupidly never considered the possibility!).
 
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