From the New York Times: When the police lie.

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Martin Gugino, a 75-year-old protester, lays on the ground after he was shoved by two police officers in Buffalo, New York.Jamie Quinn, via Reuters

An encounter in Buffalo last Thursday — in which two police officers shoved a 75-year-old man to the ground and left lying him there while blood poured out of his ear — was troubling partly because of the original police account.

The account claimed that the man “was injured when he tripped and fell.” If a video hadn’t existed, the truth might never have come out.

That’s a widespread problem:
  • In Philadelphia last week, the police said that a man had pushed an officer off his bike; a video instead showed an officer striking the man with a baton.
  • In a suburb of Sacramento in April, a police officer punched a 14-year-old boy multiple times while arresting him; the officer’s report didn’t mention the punches.
  • The Minneapolis police’s account of George Floyd’s death initially left out the most important details, like the knee pressed on his neck for almost nine minutes.
Philip Stinson, a criminologist at Bowling Green State University, who has analyzed thousands of police reports, told CNN that lies like these were fairly common.

Activists in the current protest movement have begun to focus on how they can turn the rallies of the past 10 days into lasting change, to reduce both racism and police brutality. And reducing the frequency of false reports by the police is likely to be a key issue.
Already, reform-minded prosecutors and police chiefs have taken some steps in the last few years. The top prosecutor in St. Louis, Kim Gardner, has stopped accepting new cases or search warrant requests from officers with a history of misconduct or lies. In Philadelphia and Seattle, prosecutors are creating similar “do not call” lists, The Marshall Project has reported.

Chris Magnus, the police chief in Tucson, Ariz., told the Marshall Project: “If I had my way, officers who lie wouldn’t just be put on a list, they’d be fired, and also not allowed to work in any other jurisdiction as a police officer ever again.” Often, though, police-union contracts prevent firing even officers with a record of brutality and dishonesty — which then casts a shadow over the many police officers who tell the truth.

(The Times published an investigation this weekend, explaining how police unions have amassed political power and blocked change.)

False police reports are not a new problem. What’s new are the videos that have caused people to realize how common they are. “When I was a reporter, it was the police officer’s word against the victim’s or suspect’s,” Jamie Stockwell, a deputy national editor at The Times, told me. “Cellphone video has changed the debate over policing.”
 

I find it incredible that police are well aware of the presence of video cameras everywhere, including on people's phones & they still can't control their behavior. Their desire for brutality is so great, they just can't resist it.
Ever since the Rodney King incident when a plumber was testing his new video camera from his apartment balcony, people learned quite a bit about how police officers act when they think no one is watching. Before police were aware of the video, the initial report in that incident said, "We had to continue beating Mr. King because he kept rising to his feet & wouldn't allow us to handcuff him." Then the video came out.....oops.
A well-known attorney who handles such cases - Alan Dershowitz - explained it: Part of police officers' training in the academy is a skill known as "Testilying."
As for "casting a shadow over the many police officers who tell the truth," that illustrates another problem. Most officers--including the "honest" ones--will lie to protect a brother officer.
 
Been like this from the beginning of time, I suspect....their lying and each one covering up for the next :( and like Win said, "I find it incredible that police are well aware of the presence of video cameras everywhere, including on people's phones & they still can't control their behavior"....what part of 'I'm being watched, video'd and recorded so I better watch my step' Don't they get???? Its mind boggling to say the least or are lots of em' just dumb and stupid with that brutality mentality, geez :oops::rolleyes:
 

"Privacy" is pretty much a thing of the past. Today, almost anyone in being "observed" when they are out in public, and that includes the Police. That 1% that gives cops a bad reputation is going to have to be weeded out, so the 99% can do their jobs without facing undue criticism. Our Society Needs a good police force to protect the vast majority from the lunatics and criminals....and anything that detracts from the job the police need to do is detrimental to All of us.
 
Don M. said:
"Privacy" is pretty much a thing of the past. Today, almost anyone in being "observed" when they are out in public, and that includes the Police. That 1% that gives cops a bad reputation is going to have to be weeded out, so the 99% can do their jobs without facing undue criticism. Our Society Needs a good police force to protect the vast majority from the lunatics and criminals....and anything that detracts from the job the police need to do is detrimental to All of us.
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Just wondering: What section of your imagination does that "1%" figure come from?
That survey must have taken you years to complete.
 
win231 said:
I find it incredible that police are well aware of the presence of video cameras everywhere, including on people's phones & they still can't control their behavior. Their desire for brutality is so great, they just can't resist it.
Ever since the Rodney King incident when a plumber was testing his new video camera from his apartment balcony, people learned quite a bit about how police officers act when they think no one is watching. Before police were aware of the video, the initial report in that incident said, "We had to continue beating Mr. King because he kept rising to his feet & wouldn't allow us to handcuff him." Then the video came out.....oops.
A well-known attorney who handles such cases - Alan Dershowitz - explained it: Part of police officers' training in the academy is a skill known as "Testilying."
As for "casting a shadow over the many police officers who tell the truth," that illustrates another problem. Most officers--including the "honest" ones--will lie to protect a brother officer.
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Couldn't agree more! And the fact that that they JUST... DON'T... GET IT!
 
win231 said:
Just wondering: What section of your imagination does that "1%" figure come from?
That survey must have taken you years to complete.
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Unlike you, I support the vast majority of our police, and think they do a necessary, and often thankless job to keep us all safe from the criminal elements. There are certainly a few police who go over the edge, but without them, our nation would be reduced to anarchy. Everyone gets upset when a rouge cop goes overboard, but no one seems to care about the dozens of police who are killed every year. In 2019 89 police were killed in the line of duty.

https://www.policemag.com/553643/fb...on-police-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

And No, it is Not part if my "imagination", nor did I take any "survey". Instead, unlike you, I prefer to conduct an intelligent conversation without having to resort to sarcasm and childish comments.
 
Don M. said:
Unlike you, I support the vast majority of our police, and think they do a necessary, and often thankless job to keep us all safe from the criminal elements. There are certainly a few police who go over the edge, but without them, our nation would be reduced to anarchy. Everyone gets upset when a rouge cop goes overboard, but no one seems to care about the dozens of police who are killed every year. In 2019 89 police were killed in the line of duty.

https://www.policemag.com/553643/fb...on-police-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

And No, it is Not part if my "imagination", nor did I take any "survey". Instead, unlike you, I prefer to conduct an intelligent conversation without having to resort to sarcasm and childish comments.
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No "sarcasm and childish comments." Just fairy tales.
 
I've watched DonM.'s posts in many threads and he is a man of dignity and wisdom. His posts are intelligent, well thought out and deserving of respect. BTW: I agree with his posts completely. I stand firmly behind law enforcement. Please try to look at this from different perspectives and be open to listening to his opinions. Thank you.
 
Don M. said:
"Privacy" is pretty much a thing of the past. Today, almost anyone in being "observed" when they are out in public, and that includes the Police. That 1% that gives cops a bad reputation is going to have to be weeded out, so the 99% can do their jobs without facing undue criticism. Our Society Needs a good police force to protect the vast majority from the lunatics and criminals....and anything that detracts from the job the police need to do is detrimental to All of us.
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I think that the percentage of bad cops is slightly higher than the 1% you suggested. I base that opinion on the fact that approx 3% of the population is anti social, and that percentage would of course translate from the macrocosm of society as a whole to smaller divisions of society that make up different groups, professions etc.
Anti social personalities

Too, I think the percentage is slightly higher than even that 3% on the police force because of the power and control that is endowed to officers and that would definitely be a draw to someone who is lacking in remorse or empathy, crippled conscience, considers themselves superior—just a couple of the anti social characteristics..
 
I have always had a great deal of respect for the police until now. What has happened in the last few weeks that we have become aware of makes we wonder how long these horrible things have been happening and been covered up. Officers like these are really making other Officers lose the peoples confidence and respect.
 
Don M. thank you for not backing down in this age of Group Think. You are commendable.
As an aside, I can't help but shake my head and laugh and anyone who cites the New York Times as a credible news source. The only difference between the NYT and Antifa's daily new feed is that the NYT has better writiers.
 
Don't forget the guy who was looting a store and a 77 year old man (Who was a policeman years ago) trying to help his friend cause the
thugs were looting THE STORE....And what do you think the looter did.....HE SHOT THE 77 YEAR OLD MAN....god rest his soul.... .
Today they got the son of a B....I hope he rots in jail.....
 
Ronni said:
I think that the percentage of bad cops is slightly higher than the 1% you suggested. I base that opinion on the fact that approx 3% of the population is anti social, and that percentage would of course translate from the macrocosm of society as a whole to smaller divisions of society that make up different groups, professions etc.
Anti social personalities

Too, I think the percentage is slightly higher than even that 3% on the police force because of the power and control that is endowed to officers and that would definitely be a draw to someone who is lacking in remorse or empathy, crippled conscience, considers themselves superior—just a couple of the anti social characteristics..
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I tend to agree with you Ronni. I’m not knocking the police force whatsoever as I truly respect the responsibilities that go with the role. Having said that , I don’t for a minute think it’s only 1% of cops that are crooked.

The very nature of the role attracts power hungry people who would enjoy nothing more than dominating and controlling others. I’m sure the military has their share of these types also.They are like the Rambos of the World.

Believing that only 1% of cops are crooked, I think is wishful thinking. Of course it’s just an opinion and I‘m certainly not going to debate over it.
 
Sassycakes said:
I have always had a great deal of respect for the police until now. What has happened in the last few weeks that we have become aware of makes we wonder how long these horrible things have been happening and been covered up. Officers like these are really making other Officers lose the peoples confidence and respect.
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Don't forget, the so called good cops, are a COLOSSAL part of the problem (covering up and lying for fellow officers they know are dirty and scummy), so they deserve every stitch of fallout that society can dish out.

I wonder what all the "good cops" think of the cowardly and filthy Code of Silence & brotherhood now.

I hope it takes DECADES of struggling, clawing, scratching, and biting on behalf of good cops to rebuild the publics general trust and respect again. No amount of suffering and grief that befalls upon them will be enough to appease me.

The picture at the top tells me EVERYTHING I need to know as to what that group of cops are, and exactly what they aren't!
 
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Re: The photo above: Someone previously mentioned that the elderly man was trying to return a police helmet when he was shoved to the ground. I didn't see that in the video, but in the photo there is clearly a police helmet next to him. That makes these officers even more scummy.
And the "Automatic Cop Defenders" sometimes say that "Without police, we would have anarchy." Well, if we allow police officers to commit murder whenever they want, we'll have something pretty close to anarchy. Anarchy is defined as "a state of disorder due to absence or non recognition of authority."
 
Sassycakes said:
I have always had a great deal of respect for the police until now. What has happened in the last few weeks that we have become aware of makes we wonder how long these horrible things have been happening and been covered up. Officers like these are really making other Officers lose the peoples confidence and respect.
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Sorry, I disagree and I really like you...Sassy....I've had police in my family....Most of them are gone...or retired....I also had
my Aunt Josey was a police lady....In my looking at the mobs of people, I didn't see policeman hurting anyone, except for the jerks
that were looting....I even saw police walking together with the people...Remember the 77 year old man who was helping his friend
to keep his store, he was a policeman for many years....The Thugs killed him...They did find the thug...hope he rots in prison..

So on Wednesday, they are having a whatever they want to call it....in our town...(I refuse to go)….In a park....We live in a small town..
I don't want to be near that place to see what it's all about...probably more kids will be there and really don't know what is going on...
They'll make it a party....We are going down the tubes in America....I'm disgusted what is happening....My daughter called me yesterday
the town was having a Rally for "George"...Poor George...I did feel very bad for his family....But there are more people looting and they
couldn't give a dam about George....
Everyone...Go ahead and get your Man to be the President (Biden) of the USA....If you can understand what he is talking about...

We all will go down the tubes....(I never was political, but the USA is being smashed burned and disgusted) I feel for my kids....
They didn't want to go to that rally for George....They are good kids and know what happened to George...So We Pray....
We all have a say....It's supposed to be America....God Help Us!!!!
 
win231 said:
Re: The photo above: Someone previously mentioned that the elderly man was trying to return a police helmet when he was shoved to the ground. I didn't see that in the video, but in the photo there is clearly a police helmet next to him. That makes these officers even more scummy.
And the "Automatic Cop Defenders" sometimes say that "Without police, we would have anarchy." Well, if we allow police officers to commit murder whenever they want, we'll have something pretty close to anarchy. Anarchy is defined as "a state of disorder due to absence or non recognition of authority."
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Well said, Win.
 

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