Gender Change!

Pepper said:
Transgenders make up half of one percent of the population in America. Tying knickers in a knot over something that's not your business anyway.
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I'm sure that's what they said when less than 1 percent of people were getting divorced or doing drugs, or homeless and all of the other things that have become an epidemic. The more people who do it, the more people will copy it.

Then a few generations later and it won't be possible to know real men and women from fake ones. Because they are already blurring the lines of gender for people who aren't trans. Redefining what men and women act like and look like along with many transitioning, and it will be easy to be fooled.

We can tell now, but future generations who never see traditional men and women won't be able to tell. Then they won't feel required to reveal if they transitioned and people will be dating the same sex and not know it. Then it affects everyone.
 

Wigglestein said:
What really concerns me is they start on kids on the cusp of puberty! For cryin out loud, if ever there was a time of uncertainty in a child's life it starts then. They are told that if they are unhappy they need to choose their gender. Stick with the one you were born with or change. They are told they need to choose!!!
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Yup, and don't forget the social engineering/brainwashing going on in kids shows. The characters are trans and always make comments in the shows about how you can be what you want regardless of how you were born etc. They are constantly putting that thought/seed into the kids subconscious from early on. Even PG and G shows have that in there because they don't consider trans prepping/seed planting to be wrong.
 
Mike said:
I personally don't care what people do with their own bodies,
Mike.
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Mike I want to make it clear to you I wasn't referring to your OP, re: tying knickers in knot. I was directing my comments to some hysterical people who posted after you and they shall remain nameless.

Love you Mike!
 

Alligatorob said:
Most groupers are protogynous hermaphrodites, which change sex depending on the rearing condition such as age, size and social control. In the different size E. coioides of the same rearing tank, the bigger fish changed into males, while the smaller ones remained female
Sex Reversal and Masculinization according to Growth in Longtooth Grouper Epinephelus bruneus

And then there are chickens:
A British couple was surprised to witness their pet hen Gertie gradually transforming into a rooster. No, this is not an early April Fools' Day prank. Chickens really can undergo natural sex changes.
Sex-Change Chicken: Gertie the Hen Becomes Bertie the Cockerel

11 Animals That Can Change Their Sex
https://www.treehugger.com/animals-can-change-their-sex-4869361
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In the first link if I read this correctly, through the science/broken English, it occurred when hormones were given to the fish through human intervention in captivity.

In the case of the chicken, the hen ceased to produce eggs either from an infection or the ovary ceasing function. When the ovary was no longer producing female hormones, the other part of the chicken's reproductive system took over producing male hormones. Either way, she basically had a hormonal imbalance. Wouldn't this be like some women who have hormone imbalances ending up with too much male hormones creating more body hair & in some cases deeper voices?

In the final link, this was done by nature & the creatures were fully capable of reproduction to ensure continuation of that species. In the case of a mammal that was born hermaphrodite, it was incapable of reproduction.

People who decide to change their gender by using surgery/hormones aren't able to reproduce in that new gender. Nor is it reversible.
 
My take on the gender thing is this:
I look into the mirror and I see a woman...inside I feel like
a woman. Nothing else.

Can anyone imagine when either a male or female look in their
mirrors, sees a person and do not feel that person inside?
So I believe and respect how they feel.
We are not all created equal...why should we be!

My only argument is: children who feel differently should be
treated with respect, counselled carefully, and when they reach
an age when they fully understand the enormity of a decision to change their
gender, then let them.
 
This reminds me of a book I read many years ago.It is titled As Nature Made him: The boy who was raised as a girl. It follows the true story of a set of twin boys. Doctor botched the circumcision of one of them....and made the decision to change his gender and have his parents raise him as a girl. Unkown to him or his brother. I forget how he found out..but decided to change BACK to a male. If memory serves, it affected him so badly, he could not adjust and committed suicide

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Mike said:
Thank you Pepper, I know, but thought that I should qualify, why
I was not liking the idea of children, without parental guidance
being allowed to decide such a life-changing event, by themselves.

Mike.
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I would think that children would have parental guidance over such a serious change, and I also have heard that they also speak to counselors/doctors for support and guidance. A child would not have the financial means to undertake such a thing without parents being involved.
 
Ronni said:
Just….don’t, ok? If you’ve never personally suffered from gender dysmorphia, if you don’t know anyone who has, then you have no basis for having an opinion other than bias and misinformation.
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I don’t fully agree with you. People are entitled to their opinions. However, many have an opinion about something they don’t fully understand or feel confused about. Gender dysphoria is one of them.
In my opinion instead of shutting people down, spend a little time with them explaining what this is all about. Get them to start thinking instead of widening the gap even more.
 
Ronni said:
Just….don’t, ok? If you’ve never personally suffered from gender dysmorphia, if you don’t know anyone who has, then you have no basis for having an opinion other than bias and misinformation.
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Except for a couple of online acquaintances, I have not known anyone personally who has/is transitioning. I can only imagine the inner turmoil they must be experiencing to want to make such a change. I do believe they are good people and I wish them peace and happiness in their life. If surgery is the answer, I wish them a safe experience and kind treatment from others.

I have been blessed in life to have several good friends who were/are gay and they were honest and caring people who would help others with no hesitation. So far I have not known anyone who was transgender, but my life is not over yet. I would treat them like anyone else, just as I would like to be treated.
 
Lilac said:
In the final link, this was done by nature & the creatures were fully capable of reproduction to ensure continuation of that species. In the case of a mammal that was born hermaphrodite, it was incapable of reproduction.

People who decide to change their gender by using surgery/hormones aren't able to reproduce in that new gender. Nor is it reversible.
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You make a valid point, the natural s*x changes result in reproductively capable organisms. Our gender change surgery does not.

However I believe most of the folks on this forum are also no longer capable or interested in reproduction. Those days are behind me...
 
I hope to add some personal perspective to this topic. As an effeminate young boy who played with dolls, sucked at sports and was knocked off my bike by older kids that asked me if I was a "girl" I may very well have felt like a girl at times. My grandmother even had me walk in her high heels, which is a whole other story. She was evil.

However, when I hit puberty I became more of a man and wouldn't, to this day, change a thing. I'm gay, but I'm happy to be a man. This is why I think it is wrong for any parent to make these decisions for their children until they've reached adulthood. I know some children are struggling with gender identity, but I think their parents should do the best they can to deal with them.

That said, if an adult feels like he/she is in the wrong body and wants to make the decision to transition, I fully support them. I have an inkling of an understanding, but I can fully sympathize because why would I have chosen to be gay? To be ridiculed early in life and have it tougher than my straight counterparts? Why would anyone choose to transition? Certainly to feel better about themselves, but are they going to have it any easier after they transition? I think not. Even though many trans people feel a sense of relief after the surgery, they still lead difficult lives. It is how we are born that dictates many of our decisions. Not some "groomers" in school.
 
Well, I can't really say a thing as I have not experienced it. I know I would be open accepting if my child, grandchild, friend told me they were gay. I am also just a human who wants to live myself as I am. I would not want anyone to pretend to live a live of unhappiness or judgement of any kind. There are too many of so called types of racism, be it of color, county of origin, religion, education, sexual preference, financial status. I am just tired of it all. Why can't we just treat each other with respect, the rest of it does not matter in the long run. No one is better or worse than another, the only ones that should be of concern are those that are criminals, that chose to steal, rob, rape, murder.

As far as our transgender population, no, I do not understand how they feel but I don't doubt that they feel it as much as any of us feel about our own identity. Yes, this should be dealt with by the family and a team of doctors to help a child fully understand who they are and how to guide them have a wonderful, productive life. The rest of us, who have not been in that situation should just keep our mouths closed. I would say, none of us has the right to judge, have the training to make a decision or form a true opinion of things we have not idea, education or life experience to contribute.
 
Blessed said:
Well, I can't really say a thing as I have not experienced it. I know I would be open accepting if my child, grandchild, friend told me they were gay. I am also just a human who wants to live myself as I am. I would not want anyone to pretend to live a live of unhappiness or judgement of any kind. There are too many of so called types of racism, be it of color, county of origin, religion, education, ****** preference, financial status. I am just tired of it all. Why can't we just treat each other with respect, the rest of it does not matter in the long run. No one is better or worse than another, the only ones that should be of concern are those that are criminals, that chose to steal, rob, rape, murder.

As far as our transgender population, no, I do not understand how they feel but I don't doubt that they feel it as much as any of us feel about our own identity. Yes, this should be dealt with by the family and a team of doctors to help a child fully understand who they are and how to guide them have a wonderful, productive life. The rest of us, who have not been in that situation should just keep our mouths closed. I would say, none of us has the right to judge, have the training to make a decision or form a true opinion of things we have not idea, education or life experience to contribute.
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Well said! I think a lot of it has to do with the way we were raised, and the environment we grew up in. We were brought up to treat others with kindness, not to mock, harass or make fun of someone who was a little different. There were no neighbors or friends of my parents who used racial or gender slurs. We were naturally okay seeing, playing with and talking to all different kinds of people. Those raised in a city environment are exposed to many different types of people, the ones I was around were very nice and pleasant to hang out with. Live and let live, life is too short to judge and hate. Those who do can't be very happy themselves.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I would think that children would have parental guidance over such a serious change, and I also have heard that they also speak to counselors/doctors for support and guidance. A child would not have the financial means to undertake such a thing without parents being involved.
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We would all like to think that any child asking questions about this at
school would automatically trigger a phone call or a letter from the school
to the parents, but in the case of the 12 year old girl who I mentioned
earlier, the school did not inform them, this is what prompted me to write
about the subject. I know her grandfather.

This is a good example of why there are no clowns in circuses, they are all
in Government, I think.

Mike.
 
If a child comes to a teacher and says they feel they’re gay, the school is obligated to keep it quiet. They support the child; they can provide materials or counselling or whatever the child wants. The parents don’t have to be informed. If they’re considering transitioning, the school and teachers would and should be required to keep it quiet too.
 
Disgustedman said:
WRONG. I am damn well allowed to have an opinion. You are NOT the decider of who speaks or what they may say. YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SILENCE ANYONE.
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I’m not talking about rights. I did not say “you have no right”. Re-read what I said.

I also didn’t insist you NOT have an opinion. I was careful with my wording.

I pointed out that if you’d never been up close with gender dysmorphia, if you’d never personally watched, seen, talked to someone struggling with this, interacted with them or their loved ones, then your BASIS for having an opinion is probably flawed, likely the result of propaganda, bias or misinformation.

Big difference between what I said and what you said.
 
Jamala said:
I don’t fully agree with you. People are entitled to their opinions. However, many have an opinion about something they don’t fully understand or feel confused about. Gender dysphoria is one of them.
In my opinion instead of shutting people down, spend a little time with them explaining what this is all about. Get them to start thinking instead of widening the gap even more.
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Exactly!

Again, I didn’t demand that no-one voice their option. I pointed out the likely inaccuracies of such opinion if there was no personal exposure to the people and families struggling with gender dysmorphia.
 
Chet said:
What determines our gender and behavior as such is hormones:

"The main reproductive hormones estrogen, testosterone, and progesterone are instrumental in ******ity and fertility. They are responsible for pregnancy, puberty, menstruation, menopause, sex drive, sperm production and more. These hormones are produced in the ovaries (in females) and testes (in males)."

Nature should be allowed to take it's course without any woke interference.
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It does come down to hormones and that's why I think some people really are "born in the wrong body."

"Geneticists have discovered that all human embryos start life as females, as do all embryos of mammals. About the 2nd month the fetal tests elaborate enough androgens to offset the maternal estrogens and maleness develops."

That business of turning male is very delicate, the testicles don't even descend until shortly before birth. Now imagine the pregnant mother encountering too much of one of those hormones, through her food or some other means. Might not a baby with a boy's brain be born still looking female because the process to make him look male didn't complete?

I agree with everyone who thinks a person should reach adulthood before having permanent surgery, but if a child prefers to act and dress like the other gender, I see no harm in that.

Nature makes mistakes, ask anyone who's cell have run amok with cancer. If we can fix those mistakes we probably should.
 
I guess it’s obvious I feel strongly about this subject.

I fully support families who are struggling with this issue. But make no mistake, I don’t support physical alteration of a person’s body while they’re still in school, young, going through adolescence. I hesitate to state a specific age, because some kids are basically mature at 15 while others still aren’t there yet in their twenties.

Regardless, there needs to be extensive counseling over an extended period of time by an experienced therapist, for both the child AND the family, and exposure to others who’ve had gender reassignment surgery, in support groups, one on one meetings etc, so that the person is fully aware of the magnitude of their decision and the lifelong consequences of same.

It’s a wretchedly difficult decision. But so is living one’s life in a body that does not feel like one’s own, when you’re not comfortable and happy in your own skin, when it doesn’t feel authentic or appropriate for who you are, when you feel like a fraud.
 
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Jamala said:
My only argument is: children who feel differently should be
treated with respect, counselled carefully, and when they reach
an age when they fully understand the enormity of a decision to change their
gender, then let them.
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I completely agree. There are 'boys' who want to cut off their ***** at age four! Or girls who never liked all the girlish behavoir and this long before puberty. If gender dysphoria occurs at such a young age it is more than likely that it is genuine. These kids should be very carefully counselled and I would even think that hormonal and (if possible due to the age) surgical treatment should begin with puberty. Why? In these special cases the results are excellent. Look at Kim Petras.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Petras
But if such feelings arise for the first time at puberty, they should be very carefully monitored since most children go through an emotional rollercoaster during that period. Nevertheless such teenagers always should be able to express their feelings with their outfit, makeup, etc. even at school. All kinds of bullying by teachers or schoolmates should be punished.
 
Della said:
It does come down to hormones and that's why I think some people really are "born in the wrong body."

"Geneticists have discovered that all human embryos start life as females, as do all embryos of mammals. About the 2nd month the fetal tests elaborate enough androgens to offset the maternal estrogens and maleness develops."

That business of turning male is very delicate, the testicles don't even descend until shortly before birth. Now imagine the pregnant mother encountering too much of one of those hormones, through her food or some other means. Might not a baby with a boy's brain be born still looking female because the process to make him look male didn't complete?
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Almost all OTHER animals, the testicles don't descend till well AFTER birth.
 

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