German Companies Only Able To Hire 63 Refugees Out Of One Million

I read today that the White House says they'll admit 110,000 middle eastern refugees in 2017, at a cost of who knows how many millions of dollars. I think we should address taking care of our veterans and our own citizens first.

I find the plight of homeless veterans particularly heartbreaking, and I think we should put more time and money into helping THEM, especially in light of the sacrifices they have made in service to our country.
 
Butterfly said:
I read today that the White House says they'll admit 110,000 middle eastern refugees in 2017, at a cost of who knows how many millions of dollars. "I think we should address taking care of our veterans and our own citizens first.

I find the plight of homeless veterans particularly heartbreaking, and I think we should put more time and money into helping THEM, especially in light of the sacrifices they have made in service to our country.
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Totally agree.
 

Butterfly said:
I read today that the White House says they'll admit 110,000 middle eastern refugees in 2017, at a cost of who knows how many millions of dollars. I think we should address taking care of our veterans and our own citizens first.

I find the plight of homeless veterans particularly heartbreaking, and I think we should put more time and money into helping THEM, especially in light of the sacrifices they have made in service to our country.
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Your point is well taken. I think so too. Many of these refugees are fleeing the country (Syria) under political asylum and the majority are women and children. It sounds like a desperate situation and other countries are trying to assimilate them also.
 
Some of the European nations who took in large numbers of these refugees...especially Germany...are having second thoughts. Language barriers, and lack of marketable skills among these refugees are putting them in a position of having no way to really support themselves. There is also the problem of having no real way to differentiate between real refugees, and those with terrorist/ISIS ties, who are using this migration as a way to penetrate their host nations with the objective of conducting future terrorist attacks.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes...3/germany-refugee-crisis-160302135618356.html

Ponder this....If the situation was reversed, and Western nations were in crisis...would the Middle East/Muslim nations welcome millions of Christian refugees???
 
I think it is a huge mistake on many levels to allow so many refugees into our country and I strongly oppose it. I also think it is hypocritical to be so willing to take in the refugees when we are so unwilling to take care of our own poor and disenfranchised. Go into any downtown area at night and see how many of our own citizens are on the streets.
 
Butterfly said:
I think it is a huge mistake on many levels to allow so many refugees into our country and I strongly oppose it. I also think it is hypocritical to be so willing to take in the refugees when we are so unwilling to take care of our own poor and disenfranchised. Go into any downtown area at night and see how many of our own citizens are on the streets.
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I feel the same way. We have millions of our own people who are in dire straits, and cannot properly care for them. How can it help to add thousands of refugees who will experience "culture shock" in Western Nations? It would make more sense, IMO, to help Middle East nations, financially, cope with these refugees....IF those nations really had any concern for people of their own cultures.
 
I don't have any answer. One thing I wonder is their willingness to assimilate to the country they live in. Immigrants have done this for years. Not give up everything but learn the language and know you will need to change to become part of the country you are now in. I would think many people have and would want to but not sure about many of these people. And is it the religion that prevents it? I don't know. They can't stop killing in their own countries. How is the west supposed to fix this.
 
Kitties said:
I don't have any answer. One thing I wonder is their willingness to assimilate to the country they live in. Immigrants have done this for years. Not give up everything but learn the language and know you will need to change to become part of the country you are now in. I would think many people have and would want to but not sure about many of these people. And is it the religion that prevents it? I don't know. They can't stop killing in their own countries. How is the west supposed to fix this.
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That is the key. Unfortunately some want to change the country to be like where they came from. Also have to be willing to take jobs that may be beneath what they had before and NOT be bitter about it. And remember that they religion is just another religion over here and treated like all other religions.
 
...and yet one of the "selling points" is that they are good for the economy. Based on the German experience, I can't see how that works.
 
The thing is... The USA has always been better at assimilating immigrants than other countries have. It's one of our strong suits... Perhaps because we have had more practice being that ALL of us come from immigrant stock.
 
To begin with the vast majority of these so called refugees are seeking refuge from having to work to build up the countries that they are running away from.

But there is a huge difference between this shower and immigrants of a few years ago. Most of this mob don't want to become integrated citizens of the host nation in fact generally they reject the social values of the host nation and just want to get what they can get.

Indeed in the case of Muslims the situation is even worse. Their cult forbids them to adopt our democracy, in fact anything that goes against sharia is blasphemy and must not be accepted but fought against.

We are experiencing this more and more each week. For example the Muslim colonies in the UK have established around 90 courts that are totally independent from British law and in spite of British law having precedence in reality in these colonies British law gets ignore if it is in any way at odds with sharia. Worse yet in addition to these sharia courts there are sharia police active on the streets and sharia based punishment handed out.

I really believe that people in the US & Canada have no idea of the extent that these Muslim colonies have infiltrated and become so active in Europe but what we are facing today YOU will be facing in 25 years from now or maybe even worse.
 
All the Muslims I know are hard working, well educated people. Their religion is never discussed.. They are friendly, they love their families.. AND they are appalled by the extremists using their faith as a reason to commit atrocities. Other than having a different faith, they are exactly like the rest of us. I think you must be careful when you are overgeneralizing. It's not fair.
 
QuickSilver said:
All the Muslims I know are hard working, well educated people. Their religion is never discussed.. They are friendly, they love their families.. AND they are appalled by the extremists using their faith as a reason to commit atrocities. Other than having a different faith, they are exactly like the rest of us. I think you must be careful when you are overgeneralizing. It's not fair.
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You have a VERY great deal to learn about Islam and what is taking place in Europe which is some 30 years in advance of the US and Canada.

What you are describing today is similar to how things seemed here 30 years ago.

They have changed beyond all recognition now.
 
aeron said:
You have a VERY great deal to learn about Islam and what is taking place in Europe which is some 30 years in advance of the US and Canada.

What you are describing today is similar to how things seemed here 30 years ago.

They have changed beyond all recognition now.
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And it is a terrifying scenario. Islam will NEVER accept the western idea of freedom of and from religion. That concept goes completely against what they believe . . . .
 
There's a rather interesting book written by Dr Peter Hammoled "Slavery, Terrorism, and Islam" that at one stage analyses the effect that population percentage has on the behaviour of Muslims in a nation.

IMO the weakness is in the basis of the Muslim population being equally distributed within a nation whereas homogeneous distribution is not taking place but enclaves or more correctly colonies exist which adherence to sharia is far more prevalent up to 100%.



Keep in mind that sharia is the way that Muslims are required to live.
 
aeron said:
You have a VERY great deal to learn about Islam and what is taking place in Europe which is some 30 years in advance of the US and Canada.

What you are describing today is similar to how things seemed here 30 years ago.

They have changed beyond all recognition now.
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You apparently have a very great deal to learn about the Muslim people... Just exactly how many do YOU know? I venture to guess NONE... I have known and interacted with hundreds throughout the last 40 years. I am close friends with many, right this moment. "THEY" have NOT changed.

You believe all the crap you see hyped on Right Wing media. I'd say you are very insulated culturally... and that is dangerous. you need to get out more.. lol!
 
QuickSilver said:
You apparently have a very great deal to learn about the Muslim people... Just exactly how many do YOU know? I venture to guess NONE... I have known and interacted with hundreds throughout the last 40 years. I am close friends with many, right this moment. "THEY" have NOT changed.

You believe all the crap you see hyped on Right Wing media. I'd say you are very insulated culturally... and that is dangerous. you need to get out more.. lol!
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I have lived and worked in several Islamic countries and have over the years had a great many Muslim people working for me. I have had social interaction with a number of Muslim people and have taken the time to examine the history of the where and the why that Mohammad invented Islam.

But more than that I live in Europe where we face the growing influence and threat from Islam and have been doing so for years. And growing it is, exponentially.


So let me ask this.


Have you read the quran? And do you know what being a Muslim involves?
 
aeron said:
I have lived and worked in several Islamic countries and have over the years had a great many Muslim people working for me. I have had social interaction with a number of Muslim people and have taken the time to examine the history of the where and the why that Mohammad invented Islam.

But more than that I live in Europe where we face the growing influence and threat from Islam and have been doing so for years. And growing it is, exponentially.


So let me ask this.


Have you read the quran? And do you know what being a Muslim involves?
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Then I stand corrected... If what you say is true..

However I have seen ZERO hatefulness in the people I know... and NO.. I have not read the Quran... Have you read the Bible? If taken litteral.. there is a ton of verses that could be construed as hateful and vengeful.. BUT.. most Christians don't take it literally.. As with Muslims and the Quran.. neither do the vast majority... Should Christianity be condemned because of it's extremists?
 
The Bible is a collection of books that comprise of creation myths followed by a highly partial and incomplete history of the departure of a number of tribes of people from Egypt. It is a history covering many many hundreds of years and the books show how changing times, pressures, and circumstances result in changes to what becomes acceptable. The birth of Jesus introduces a radical change in that -- well read it along with a couple of good commentaries and see for yourself. Mathew Henry is one commentary that is probably a must have. But the influence by Paul on the fundemental Christian message does skew matters somewhat. Then the infamous Constantine "reform" really does put the boot in.

Read The Bible? As a kid I learned to recite bits of it!

Do bear in mind that although I was brought up "Chapel" I very soon saw through the meme and started to think for myself.

In the case of Islam the quran it is not a collection of books as per The Bible. It is a collection of chapters that are not even presented in chronological order and for a Muslim to be a Muslim he MUST accept the quran word by word. To do otherwise would be blasphemy.

But here's something more to ponder.

The word quran means recite. The quran is not there to be read like a book but a series of chapters to be learned and constantly recited in everything done or related to everything done or at the very least constantly kept in mind.

But recite what? Recite what Mohhamad claims to have been told was the message that Allah intended him to tell people. Islam is also a word and not just a name. It means submit. Submit to what? Submit to what Mohhamad claims he was told to tell Muslims to do.

Now that is just my "opening for 10".

Having learned what I have and having lived where I have and living now and seeing what is taking place just a few miles away from where I now live I am prepared to say that my knowledge on this matter is reasonably good.
 
Don M. said:
I feel the same way. We have millions of our own people who are in dire straits, and cannot properly care for them. How can it help to add thousands of refugees who will experience "culture shock" in Western Nations? It would make more sense, IMO, to help Middle East nations, financially, cope with these refugees....IF those nations really had any concern for people of their own cultures.
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I don't know how your government has organized the system to integrate newcomers, but it seems to me that when you get these people in and settled, once they get on their feet, they usually become hardworking taxpayers who are stable and pull their share of the load. So many of them had little businesses in Syria and start doing the same here and because they understand just how bad life can be (being bombed, living in a refugee camp) they really appreciate being here.

A family in Antigonish, Nova Scotia was 'loaned' a little shed in January 2016 and he's started a chocolatier business that is apparently thriving and gave some of his first years profit to the Fort MacMurray wildfire. He's already planning his expansion and will be hiring people from the community of Antigonish.

[h=1]Syrian chocolatier opens factory in Antigonish[/h]
[h=3]Assam Hadhad was once a successful chocolate maker in Damascus but he lost it all to war[/h]


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ssam-hadhad-opens-chocolate-factory-1.3716018
 
Ray said:
...and yet one of the "selling points" is that they are good for the economy. Based on the German experience, I can't see how that works.
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Germany was flooded with people coming and they weren't prepared for it. At least in Canada we seem to have a system that sort of works and are not being flooded but able to bring in 'limited' numbers. That's the difference for Canada.

Does the USA have a system of helping people get on their feet for at least the first year?
 
Immigrants of all sorts were "good" for the economy of both Germany and the UK in that the influx increased the GDP, which is wrongly interpreted as an indicator of the fiscal health of a nation. All that the GDP shows is the financial activity of a nation, a thing that money market investors take advantage of and that assists in global commerce.

The problem arises when the money to pay for the extra spending the immigrants bring has to be provided by tapping the international money markets and that is what is taking place. For a number of years the UK has had to borrow money by issuing "Gilts" not only to meet annual government spending but increasingly to buy back maturing bonds plus pay interest on existing bonds.

On top of that is the huge debt in the private sector that diverts money from international money markets into the GDP as a result of UK lenders selling debt to offshore sources.

So the statement that immigrants benefit the economy is really all smoke and mirrors. Rather than benefit the nation in any real sense they are an ever increasing drain on the nation.
 

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