Gluten & Pain

This thread is fascinating, helpful and disheartening all at once.

Fascinating because an increasing number of people are going gluten free these days, but I haven't investigated it. Along with every other American senior, I've seen a decades-long parade of every highly publicized diet and nutrition book imaginable. Some I looked into; some I even tried. Eventually I stopped bothering due to sheer exhaustion with "expert" the vilification/elevation du jour of dietary devils/angels. Found an eating plan (mostly plant-based) that works for me and left it at that.

The sheer volume of contradictory diets, all of which are touted by doctors enriched by book or product sales became difficult to take seriously.

Helpful because my husband has serious pain in his shoulders, for which his doctor injects some steroid type concoction every few months, but DH's relief has become less and for shorter periods. Might gluten be exacerbating his problem? Who knows?

Disheartening because my (admittedly limited) gluten-free baking attempts have been largely disappointing. I bake a fair amount with wheat and whole wheat flours and enjoy doing so.

In conclusion: Because there may be something of value here, I'll investigate the connection between gluten and inflammation, but mostly skip the speculative, connect-the-dots circumstantial "research", and glowing testimonial anecdotes offered by those doctors whose motives are questionable, at best.

By looking into the actual science, I hope to separate the wheat from the chaff, if you will. I've seen too many diet fads over the years to accept any claims, GF or other, without a healthy dose of skepticism.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experience on this topic. While hesitant to accept GF claims at face value, I'm nevertheless hopeful that it might turn out to help ease my husband's painful shoulders.
 

Jumping willy-nilly into anything concerning health and diet is never a good thing. It pays to be skeptical. Checking out credible sources is important. I've spent well over a decade and a great deal of time on the subject of the gluten-free diet. I've done my due diligence and reached my own conclusions as to what works and is best for me. No one can decide what's best for someone else. On this complex topic, Dr. Kara Fitzgerald has produced excellent, thorough, and comprehensive pieces supported by research. I thought posting them would be helpful to those who are interested. I wish everyone dealing with physical pain and dietary issues the best. It's challenging. :)

Bella✌️
 

As I said earlier, I suffer from chronic pain, well both Lorie and I do... But I am the only one seeing a doctor for it. I was having new pain, like from my elbows to my baby finger... The doctor told me to try it for three months till I see him again (we are good friends now) and told him with a week or so, the pain was going away, and was feeling better when it came to energy. Lorie was away for a couple of days this week, so I had no way to get to the store, and there was whole wheat in the fridge, so I ate it, and my problems with pain and no energy were back to me within days... Seriously, I challenge everyone here, delete the wheat bread to start out of your lives for a couple of weeks, and see what happens... You may be surprised!! We are elimination all gluten from our diet...

We did this years ago when I became diabetic, and that made life much better... Now it's gluten... But we'll get there...
 
Thank you, I'm going to check that out... What I have seen so far are way too many eggs... I am also allergic to eggs... Some loaves I noticed are like 7 eggs... Lorie replaces eggs with Flax seeds... But I think she would have to use a whole package of flax seeds for 7 eggs... LoL...
I use flax seed as an egg replacer sometimes when I need a binding agent and it can make be very dry on the palate. I know there are other egg replacers available for baking, but I don't have any experience with them. There are some that have corn starch, tapioca, and the like.

There are also replacers that are like liquid eggs, again I have no experience with them. I hope that you can find products that fit your needs and keep you feeling good.
 
I use flax seed as an egg replacer sometimes when I need a binding agent and it can make be very dry on the palate. I know there are other egg replacers available for baking, but I don't have any experience with them. There are some that have corn starch, tapioca, and the like.

There are also replacers that are like liquid eggs, again I have no experience with them. I hope that you can find products that fit your needs and keep you feeling good.
Thank you @Oris Borloff Yes my wife uses flax seed, but if you make it a little wetter, I don't find it too hard on the palate. I think she used apple sauce on a few of the many delicious things she has made me, but now have to see if apple sauce is gluten...
 
Well, it was just over a month when I first wrote this and we were just starting to cut gluten out of our way of eating.

We are still very much doing this, and we find our health has improved 100% I have not taken morphine for pain since starting this new way of life. We have tons more energy than we had before. Not gaining any more weight. Doing more at the gym three times a week, and coming home, and still able to do things around the house. We have tons more energy. Stopped taking my heartburn medication. Life is wonderful since we changed our diet. and it's amazing what wheat is in... I am flabbergasted about what wheat is in.

We were eating some Nibs on our way to Ottawa yesterday, and just for a joke, I asked Lorie if there is wheat in the Nibs, Lorie looked at the ingredients, and yup, there was the word wheat. Well, they hit the garbage can when we got to Costco. Costco has wonderful-tasting gluten-free bread... and they have flat bread made out of cauliflower, which we tried last night making pizzas... they were delicious...

My only problem is sweets, like cookies and cakes... But we found a gluten-free bakery here in Brockville, and they have a delicious oatmeal cookie and carrot cake. The carrot cake was way too sweet for me and drove my sugar levels up a little high, but it was very very good, and so were the oatmeal cookies, but very expensive. $5 for 6 cookies.

So, we have found some things to bake and are going to try them on the next rainy day.

From the 1st of March to last Wednesday, when I saw my diabetic doctor, between the gym and cutting out the gluten, I have lost 8 pounds, and looking at my stomach, it doesn't really show except in my face, and across my shoulders... But believe we are on the right path... We both feel 110% better than we did in February... Like anything you change, it is better for you, just as when I became diabetic, we had to change our eating patterns, and now cutting out the glute, is another way of making us feel much better... I wish I discovered all these things when I was a younger man... But maybe this will help me live a little longer than the path I was on...

Again friends, if you are feeling tired, and putting on unwanted pounds, give yourselves the one-month challenge and cut out the glute. I really do not think you will be disappointed...seriously...
 
Thank you @Bella... It's far from an easy challenge, we are doing it, and I cannot believe the things gluten is in... Like nibs, or dark vinegar... You must read every single label... and one that I am highly shocked by is beer...We checked everywhere for one beer yesterday, and the beer store here only has 3 different types... And one is made with gluten, but then extracted... We did find one at the grocery store that we are drinking now called Gutenberg... It's not bad in taste...
 
Tastes like sawdust does it? Go to glutenfreeandmore.com and look up their Champion Sandwich Bread. The main ingredients are brown rice flour, tapioca flour and cornstarch. Also butter, eggs, honey, yeast, xanthan gum and a few other things too. It's easy to make, everyone I know who has tasted it likes it and it's a pretty straightforward recipe to follow.
Brown rice contains arsenic....something to bear in mind.
 
Hello Everyone, been a while... Lorie and I have been travelling quite a lot this past year... And enjoying life like we have never before... But YES, we are still gluten-free... It's so easy now, very simple. Have lost lots of weight, both of us, probably about 40 pounds each... I still have a gut, but nowhere, where it was before...Pain has been almost nil, but back in winter, and the dampness is bothering us both. But that will be gone in 5 days we'll be in the Dominican for 14 days, and then home for a couple, and then 14 days in Cuba...

This past summer, we were at a friend's cottage in Prince Edward Island, and that is where we want to live out the rest of our lives, so we'll be travelling back to look at some houses, we want to be on the ocean...

It will be a year since we had gluten, and we do NOT miss it at all... Feel 1000% better...
 
Hello Everyone, been a while... Lorie and I have been travelling quite a lot this past year... And enjoying life like we have never before... But YES, we are still gluten-free... It's so easy now, very simple. Have lost lots of weight, both of us, probably about 40 pounds each... I still have a gut, but nowhere, where it was before...Pain has been almost nil, but back in winter, and the dampness is bothering us both. But that will be gone in 5 days we'll be in the Dominican for 14 days, and then home for a couple, and then 14 days in Cuba...

This past summer, we were at a friend's cottage in Prince Edward Island, and that is where we want to live out the rest of our lives, so we'll be travelling back to look at some houses, we want to be on the ocean...

It will be a year since we had gluten, and we do NOT miss it at all... Feel 1000% better...

Well, well, well, look who the cat dragged in! 😁 I'm glad to see you, {{{Mike🤗}}}, and to know that you and Lorie are both feeling so well and have kicked gluten's a$$! I'm so happy for you!
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I've been to the DR a number of times, and I envy your trip to Cuba, which I've always wanted to visit. Enjoy your vacations; you and your lovely lady deserve it! When you get back home, please tell us all about it. I'd like to know what you think about Cuba. Bon voyage!
 
I'm not sure what to think. Gluten appears to be a different problem in different people. For some it can be inflammatory, while for others it can be more serious.

How much of this is due to people moving around and resettling in places where the food culture is a mismatch with their genetics?

I don't care to slug down milk, but I have no dairy allergies at all. However all of my ancestors came from Western Europe. Some basically got by for many generations as peasants working dairy farms. Wheat was also common in their native lands and times. As far as I can tell I have no particular vulnerability to gluten.

Both of those "allergies" or "intolerances" struck me as bizarre when I was first introduced to the notions. Frankly, it all seemed made up out of thin air.

However I realize that I just have a different life experience. I can also eat peanuts without trouble, and on and on. I do have one son who was diagnosed with allergies to "nuts" and "mushrooms" but it couldn't have been too bad. He eats nuts when he wants to, and he avoids mushrooms using the allergy as an excuse - because he never liked them.

I'm not suggesting gluten isn't a problem for people, but maybe they shouldn't be eating those foods. Stick to what your body was built for.
 
Tastes like sawdust does it? Go to glutenfreeandmore.com and look up their Champion Sandwich Bread. The main ingredients are brown rice flour, tapioca flour and cornstarch. Also butter, eggs, honey, yeast, xanthan gum and a few other things too. It's easy to make, everyone I know who has tasted it likes it and it's a pretty straightforward recipe to follow.
Disagree, I’m celiac (gluten free) best tasting Canyon Bakehouse, tastes like regular bread, just, costs twice as much!
 
I’m celiac and substitute Robinhood gluten free flour for regular flour. Everything tastes really good. Some things have a bit of grit to them since there’s rice flour in the mix but it’s actually a plus at times.
 
A friend of mine didn’t realize that he was gluten intolerant and lost most of his colon because of it. This was 30 years ago before it was common knowledge. It can definitely be a significant problem for some people.
 
A friend of mine didn’t realize that he was gluten intolerant and lost most of his colon because of it. This was 30 years ago before it was common knowledge. It can definitely be a significant problem for some people.
Today, there is a blood test, tells you one way or the other, if you are celiac, celiac disease is an autoimmune disease. Gluten intolerence isn’t necessarly celiac disease. Interesting fact, one in 120 people have celiac disease and don’t know it.
 
Today, there is a blood test, tells you one way or the other, if you are celiac, celiac disease is an autoimmune disease. Gluten intolerence isn’t necessarly celiac disease. Interesting fact, one in 120 people have celiac disease and don’t know it.
That’s really interesting. I think he had celiac disease.
 


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