God is consciousness (clip)

I like that he considers that the word "supernatural" needs reconsideration by all who use it. Understanding definitions are very important when trying to understand these issues, and much of the have come to hold, hard and fast, to definitions that support their personal beliefs/partialities... rather than open their position for reasonable discussion.

As for God being the consciousness of the universe... well, as a Christian, I'd say that might be a good starting point, but a bit "lacking" of the whole nature of God.
 
difficult topic and I found him a poor lecturer who spoke to fast - i have been in the teaching professions and this was not an effective speaking style form me 0 particularly as it is a difficult concept for many
 
Ted01 said:
I like that he considers that the word "supernatural" needs reconsideration by all who use it. Understanding definitions are very important when trying to understand these issues, and much of the have come to hold, hard and fast, to definitions that support their personal beliefs/partialities... rather than open their position for reasonable discussion.

As for God being the consciousness of the universe... well, as a Christian, I'd say that might be a good starting point, but a bit "lacking" of the whole nature of God.
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I often put both supernatural and paranormal in quotes, because i have for decades felt they got assigned to certain phenomena because scientists couldn't figure out how to explain them.
 
@ChiroDoc: i think i've watched this one, a while back--but will take look later and see. i know i've watched others of his. But your title is very close to what i've come to believe over my lifetime based on personal experiences.

i was about to get off my desktop, and get a couple of Saturday chores/errands done before taking Daughter to work at noon. Then i can relax, read, meditate again and spend more time online communicating with friends.
 
I came to this conclusion about consciousness being connected with God strongly when I began childcare.
That through consciousness His truth is with us, right from wrong, kind and mean and so forth.
Having several small ones and having to observe them every second made me notice a habit that begins
at the age of 1 1/2 for most. Just before they go to do something they KNOW they shouldn't, they look to see
who is watching or will see them do it.
Yes I know they have heard the word "No" and they are reinforced by parents what is nice, what is not safe.
In a child care setting they come into situations they wouldn't at home and yet they know, they know, they really
know from somewhere deep within, this is not going to be right, because they will always look to see if they will get caught.
I truly believe the seed is planted and it is up to adults and others as well as the person themself to keep building it, not to
dismiss those nudges of "ehhhh, maybe I shouldn't" or "ehhh, I don't care gonna do it anyway"
I look at acts of anger, spite and just pure meaness as forgetting to water your plants until your garden bed is dead and dried up
if it is a repeated habit. Kindness, love and caring is what strengthens it, it is the water so badly needed.
 
smiley said:
difficult topic and I found him a poor lecturer who spoke to fast - i have been in the teaching professions and this was not an effective speaking style form me 0 particularly as it is a difficult concept for many
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I almost always have closed captions on because some higher pitches are inaccessible to my ears and many people do not enunciate clearly. When I'm listening to this type of presentation if the speaker's voice is distracting me from the actual content of it, i mute the video. That allows me to focus on the substance of it. While i didn't feel he spoke too fast, i did mute him about 6 minutes into it, the remaining 12 minutes seemed too go faster because there wasn't the distraction of his voice.
 
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feywon said:
@ChiroDoc: i think i've watched this one, a while back--but will take look later and see. i know i've watched others of his. But your title is very close to what i've come to believe over my lifetime based on personal experiences.

i was about to get off my desktop, and get a couple of Saturday chores/errands done before taking Daughter to work at noon. Then i can relax, read, meditate again and spend more time online communicating with friends.
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I really like Sheldrake's analogy re a source consciousness reflected in multiple people-- by saying consciousness is like the moon which is reflected in many buckets of water.
 
IrishEyes said:
I came to this conclusion about consciousness being connected with God strongly when I began childcare.
That through consciousness His truth is with us, right from wrong, kind and mean and so forth.
Having several small ones and having to observe them every second made me notice a habit that begins
at the age of 1 1/2 for most. Just before they go to do something they KNOW they shouldn't, they look to see
who is watching or will see them do it.
Yes I know they have heard the word "No" and they are reinforced by parents what is nice, what is not safe.
In a child care setting they come into situations they wouldn't at home and yet they know, they know, they really
know from somewhere deep within, this is not going to be right, because they will always look to see if they will get caught.
I truly believe the seed is planted and it is up to adults and others as well as the person themself to keep building it, not to
dismiss those nudges of "ehhhh, maybe I shouldn't" or "ehhh, I don't care gonna do it anyway"
I look at acts of anger, spite and just pure meaness as forgetting to water your plants until your garden bed is dead and dried up
if it is a repeated habit. Kindness, love and caring is what strengthens it, it is the water so badly needed.
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Maybe they are not looking to see if they got caught but looking for permission. How else are they going to know the rules unless they test them? Just a thought.
 
I acquired one of Rupert Sheldrake's early books (focused specifically on biology) about 20 years ago. I found it fascinating. And, maybe six or seven years ago, I came across some interviews with Sheldrake on Youtube. I was impressed with how broad and deep both his learning and understanding are.

I'm enjoying reading through this thread (thank you @ChiroDoc, for starting it), And it's interesting to see who among SF members find's Sheldrake's interesting and reasonable. I'm already familiar with all of you from some of the many posts you've been posting.

@smiley, do you know the function of that little gear-shaped icon in the lower right of the Youtube frame (just next to the word Youtube)? If you click on it, you're given the means to slow down the video, say to 75%. I occasionally use this option to slow down or speed up the rate of a particular speaker's delivery.
 
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feywon said:
I often put both supernatural and paranormal in quotes, because i have for decades felt they got assigned to certain phenomena because scientists couldn't figure out how to explain them.
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I think we shouldn't expect science to lead to the best explanation in every case. After all science starts out ignoring everything except what is observable or measurable and only considers what can be explained by underlying more basic things. But consciousness especially something which clearly is not explainable by something more basic.

There is a link between brains and consciousness but reductive physicalism assumes that it arises from brains which are a kind of living matter. No one has ever been able to demonstrate that is so but it is assumed because that is the what science always starts from. But if consciousness is the most basic thing science cannot help. It is like looking for our lost watch under the streetlight because it is easier to see there. Science illuminates many empirical relationships so we expect to have more luck there.

I still have some confusion about NDE's and the idea of past lives but if all our buckets are reflections of a common moon then we should stop looking for an empirical understanding and look for an imaginative/intuitive way in. STEM subjects are helpful with empirical questions but the Humanities, e.g,, literature, philosophy, religion, psychology may be more promising way to proceed.
 
JBR said:
I acquired one of Rupert Sheldrake's early books (focused specifically on biology) about 20 years ago. I found it fascinating. And, maybe six or seven years ago, I came across some interviews with Sheldrake on Youtube. I was impressed with how broad and deep both his learning and understanding are.

I'm enjoying reading through this thread (thank you @ChiroDoc, for starting it), And it's interesting to see who among SF members find's Sheldrake's interesting and reasonable. I'm already familiar with all of you from some of the many posts you've been posting.

@smiley, do you know the function of that little gear-shaped icon in the lower right of the Youtube frame (just next to the word Youtube)? If you click on it, you're given the means to slow down the video, say to 75%. I occasionally use this option to slow down or speed up the rate of a particular speaker's delivery.
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I tried it thanks but no good ; he is a POOR speaker all around for me and bores the pants of me - I do not doubt his knowledge and wisdom just his delivery - is there some reading material on the same subject - ta
 
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