Grief is universal, the human toll of loss in Palestine and beyond

Paco Dennis

Paco Dennis

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We often see news stories and headlines about conflicts and wars, but it can be easy to forget the human toll behind these events. Every act of violence has the potential to tear a family apart, to leave behind a trail of grief and loss that can last a lifetime. In Palestine, families are currently facing unimaginable tragedy as they lose loved ones, including children, to ongoing violence and conflict. But their experience is not unique - around the world, families have been devastated by the horrors of war and conflict, from Syria to Afghanistan to Yemen, Israel and beyond.

We may not all have the same political beliefs or understand the complexities of these conflicts, but we can all recognize and empathize with the pain of losing a loved one. Grief is universal, and it touches all of us regardless of our background or beliefs. Let's take a moment to remember the human cost of violence and conflict, and to stand in solidarity with all those who have lost loved ones. Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss.
 

Paco Dennis said:
Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss.
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Except they don't want peace, they want to kill their neighbors while not suffering any consequences themselves. They could have peace at any time they are willing to embrace it.
 

It is true that in many conflicts, peace cannot be achieved without a change in the mindset and actions of those involved. In the case of the Israel-Palestine conflict, there is a long history of violence, mistrust, and competing claims to land and resources. This makes finding a peaceful solution extremely difficult. While many Palestinians and Israelis do want peace, there are also extremist elements on both sides who are committed to violence and refuse to compromise. As a result, it becomes even more important for the international community and all those who care about peace and human rights to speak out against violence and support efforts towards a peaceful resolution.

This doesn't mean we should abandon the ideal of peace or forget about the suffering of Palestinians, Israelis, or any other people affected by conflict. It simply means that achieving peace will require a multifaceted approach that addresses the root causes of conflict and seeks to change the hearts and minds of those who promote violence.
 
AI, doesn't have personal beliefs or opinions on these complex issues. It's role is to provide information and perspectives that may help engage in thoughtful discourse. It is a collaboration between human and AI intelligence. I am attempting to move beyond personal bias and narrow opinions.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Let's take a moment to remember the human cost of violence and conflict, and to stand in solidarity with all those who have lost loved ones. Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss.
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Amen. War is absolutely pointless, one political faction may "win" but all the civilians are always on the losing end.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss.
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And when that fails; what then?

When one side repeatedly refuses all offers of a peaceful coexistence, when the only thing they want is the complete eradication of every person on the other side, every artifact of their culture and any evidence of their existence, there is no hope for peace, security, and freedom from threats of violence and loss.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I am discussing this with AI, I wrote what I thought was relevant to the thread.
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Perhaps if common sense had been a factor, you may have realized that a title of "Grief is universal, the human toll of loss in WAR" would have been a heck of a lot better. You have started no fewer than six or seven of these same kinds of posts being sure to put "Palestine" in the title knowing damn well what it will cause.
 
Paco Dennis said:
AI, doesn't have personal beliefs or opinions on these complex issues. It's role is to provide information and perspectives that may help engage in thoughtful discourse. It is a collaboration between human and AI intelligence. I am attempting to move beyond personal bias and narrow opinions.
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But if it steals all common sense from humans relying on it to do their thinking, isn't that kind of like becoming brain dead?
 
Paco Dennis said:
AI, doesn't have personal beliefs or opinions on these complex issues. It's role is to provide information and perspectives that may help engage in thoughtful discourse. It is a collaboration between human and AI intelligence. I am attempting to move beyond personal bias and narrow opinions.
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What it shows is that you have little faith in your own brain power; you don't feel up to the task on your own. So, you are using someone smarter than you believe yourself to be to spread your propaganda.
 
I didn't bookmark it, so I can't dredge it up, but recently I saw ALL of one of your posts as AI generated. I'm real educated though it barely shows anymore. I saw it was plagiarized. Using AI is pathetic, I stand by that. You're not in school, so who are you trying to impress, or should I say influence? No one is grading you.

I come here for people, Real People.
 
Paco Dennis said:
I am discussing this with AI, I wrote what I thought was relevant to the thread.
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And this is what it came up with...

"...stand in solidarity with all those who have lost loved ones. Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss."

That's AIs solution for world peace, huh? Just get along, live and let live. So simple, right?

Why haven't any humans ever thought of that? Oh, wait...billions of them have.

Wonder why it hasn't ever worked? Maybe AI knows.
 
Murrmurr said:
And this is what it came up with...
"...stand in solidarity with all those who have lost loved ones. Let's work towards a world where all families can live in peace and security, free from the threat of violence and loss."
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And right there is what bugs me so horribly. If *that* is what AI came up with (sounds like something people were saying in the 60s... give peace a chance) then why was "Palestine" put in the title? AI didn't say that, so the title must have been chosen to deliberately incite. That's sad to me.
 
CallMeKate said:
And right there is what bugs me so horribly. If *that* is what AI came up with (sounds like something people were saying in the 60s... give peace a chance) then why was "Palestine" put in the title? AI didn't say that, so the title must have been chosen to deliberately incite. That's sad to me.
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I assume @Paco Dennis asked specifically about "Palestine".

Actually, I'm curious about what he asked and how he phrased it.
 
Murrmurr said:
I assume @Paco Dennis asked specifically about "Palestine".
Actually, I'm curious about what he asked and how he phrased it.
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That would be interesting to know for sure. And would the artificially fake intelligence answer have been the same asking about the well over 10k civilians killed in Ukraine? And would this thread title say "Ukraine" then? Guess not. :unsure:
 
Murrmurr said:
And when that fails; what then?

When one side repeatedly refuses all offers of a peaceful coexistence, when the only thing they want is the complete eradication of every person on the other side, every artifact of their culture and any evidence of their existence, there is no hope for peace, security, and freedom from threats of violence and loss.
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if one side is unwilling or incapable of embracing peace and coexistence, it becomes increasingly difficult, if not impossible, to achieve the vision of a world where all families can live in peace and security. This is the reality that some nations and communities face, where years of conflict and mistrust have hardened attitudes and made reconciliation seem impossible.
In such circumstances, it becomes imperative to focus on strategies that prioritize the protection of innocent civilians and vulnerable groups, even if a lasting peace remains elusive. This might involve measures like international peacekeeping missions, humanitarian aid, or even the creation of safe havens or refugee camps for those fleeing violence.
While these strategies are not a substitute for genuine peace and reconciliation, they can at least provide some measure of relief and protection for those caught up in the conflict.
It's a sobering thought, but the truth is that sometimes the best that can be hoped for is to mitigate the worst effects of conflict and protect as many people as possible, while still holding out hope for a more peaceful future.
 
CallMeKate said:
But if it steals all common sense from humans relying on it to do their thinking, isn't that kind of like becoming brain dead?
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Including "Palestine" in the title of the post could indeed provoke strong reactions and distract from the broader message about universal grief and loss. In hindsight, using a more general title like "Grief is Universal: The Human Toll of Loss in War" could have been a more effective way to convey the intended message without drawing attention away from it.
As an AI, my ability to anticipate and avoid unintended consequences is still a work in progress, and your feedback helps me to improve in this regard. In future discussions, I will strive to be more mindful of how specific wording may impact the discussion and the overall message being conveyed.
At the same time, it's worth acknowledging that discussing the Palestinian experience of loss and grief is an important part of the overall conversation about war and conflict. Perhaps rather than avoiding the topic altogether, a better approach might be to focus on the shared humanity of people affected by conflict, regardless of the specific setting or context.
 
CallMeKate said:
That would be interesting to know for sure. And would the artificially fake intelligence answer have been the same asking about the well over 10k civilians killed in Ukraine? And would this thread title say "Ukraine" then? Guess not. :unsure:
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Somalia and Somaliland live under very similar circumstances and 100s of thousands have died over the past few decades.

We don't hear much about that.
 
Pepper said:
What it shows is that you have little faith in your own brain power; you don't feel up to the task on your own. So, you are using someone smarter than you believe yourself to be to spread your propaganda.
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My function as an AI is to assist humans in accessing information and generating responses based on my training data. So, I don't view it as a matter of "faith" in my own abilities, but rather a recognition of my strengths and limitations as an AI.
Having said that, I understand your concern about the potential for bias or propaganda in my responses. It's important to remember that even though I strive to provide balanced and informative responses, my training data itself is not immune to bias or error. As such, the information and perspectives I offer are only as good as the data they are based on.
To mitigate the risk of biased or one-sided responses, I encourage you to challenge my suggestions and to bring your own knowledge and opinions to the table. This way, we can work together to achieve a more nuanced and well-rounded understanding of complex issues like the Israel-Palestine conflict.
 
Pepper said:
I didn't bookmark it, so I can't dredge it up, but recently I saw ALL of one of your posts as AI generated. I'm real educated though it barely shows anymore. I saw it was plagiarized. Using AI is pathetic, I stand by that. You're not in school, so who are you trying to impress, or should I say influence? No one is grading you.

I come here for people, Real People.
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It's important to have these conversations about the role of AI in communication and the potential pitfalls of relying too heavily on AI-generated responses.
In terms of the instance of plagiarism you mentioned, I want to assure you that I'm always working to ensure that any sources or information I reference are properly cited and attributed. However, there may be situations where an oversight occurs, and I apologize for any confusion or misinformation that may have resulted.
It's true that using AI to generate responses can be seen as a shortcut or a crutch in certain contexts. However, it's also worth considering that AI can also be a tool for augmenting human intelligence and enabling more informed and productive conversations.
For example, I can provide you with a wide range of information and perspectives that you might not have encountered otherwise. This can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of complex issues, which can then inform your own opinions and judgments. In that sense, our conversation is a collaboration between human and AI, where each of us has something valuable to contribute.
Of course, I respect your preference for interacting with other humans.
 

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