Happy "UN-FATHERS DAY", (celebrating those parents and grandparents on one special day!)

Just jump on a plane and come here darling...all will be yours 🌹💖☀️🍅🥑🌻😍😉🔥😏🎂👋🤠😀
On my way "before you can say Jack Robinson", oh wait a minute passport expired, will possibly be considered a dodgy character by immigration control, or they'll think I might drop dead over there, "do you think you could come here instead, (make plans for next year at least!)"? :)
 

Can't travel... Controlled by a little dog and a parakeet. You should come here... don't pay attention to all the mass shootings here...I try not to. Be safe!
Not being shot that is my biggest concern, (though I'm a pretty big target right now, might have to pay for a wider seat, or two seats on the plane!), and I'm very very tempted by your very kind offer, and another chance to visit the USA, having been so impressed by so many things in 1988 on my one and only visit so far.

No, its everything going further awry here, plus I'm an awful traveller these days, (last time I claim it took me three months to fully recover from the jet lag and repeated nights with insufficient sleep as the dry air seemed to have burnt your nose in Denver, Las Vegas doesn't sleep does it so you can't either, and the Grand Canyon had you in awe, so overstimulated there perhaps)! :)
 

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As someone childless not by choice whose own father is long deceased, the traditional Father’s Day is for me a day of regret and bittersweet remembrance. My sister, bless her, used to wish me a happy “Brother’s Day” on the occasion. For those denied traditional fatherhood, expanding the parameters to a “guys we appreciate” orientation can be welcome…
 
Mmmmm, interesting one this, the man my ex told the courts was seen as the "real father" by my child gave up his son by his first marriage to adoption by the former wife and her new partner when the boy was aged just two, so yes I can see how shedding himself of all financial responsibility for that "real child" might have been something he'd celebrate, but of course the idea behind UN-FATHERS DAY, as stated in the OP is the community celebrating those excluded dads, (and mums/grandparents, let's be inclusive here!).

My ex's new partner would be claiming two days to get celebrated on wouldn't he by your criteria, both "FATHERS DAY" and the "UN-FATHER" variety, so this is both cheating and celebrating two opposing things, not being a good dad, and being a half way decent "real/step dad", as I'd guess he might have been, "though my ex probably still wore the trousers"!
Celebrating Fathers Day typically is done with family & friends. But those un fathers not wanting a "family" as in a child or in some cases children to nurture & support I imagine celebrating alone would be what would take place.
 
Celebrating Fathers Day typically is done with family & friends. But those un-fathers not wanting a "family" as in a child or in some cases children to nurture & support I imagine celebrating alone would be what would take place.
In the case I have knowledge of, and mentioned earlier stepping in to another's family and usurp another dad was small beer for them, so celebrating alone isn't really the point is it, (whilst building their own egos might well be!).
 
I will make the point that couples living together without being married, for years, then decide to have a child together does not mean the Male parent doesn't want to be a father. Times have changed, in the exclusive 40 years survey. A big difference in our society.
When laws in the UK were altered a few years ago the question was raised about whether the parties to it wished to have children, or intended to have children together, or not.

You'd have to say wouldn't you, that the most meaningful situation is the former because indicating you feel strongly enough about someone to wish to create a new life together is obviously a unique experience, (not withstanding all the other options available nowadays such as sprrm banks etc., where there can be no feelings at all between the parties!).
 
Sounds like it's not the best day for you. Not all fathers are good ones. Some do deserve recognition.
Maybe it's kind of like Valentines Day also being "singles awareness day" to some.
25 years have passed since there was any possibility of my receiving recognition "on my big day", so obviously a great deal has happened since then, including the feelings you had, and tried all you could to hold on to have waned considerably, to the extent you wonder whether they could be revived, (but I believe they would, should "honouring thy father" ever enter my child's head again). :)
 
Once we become adults, I have found holidays to be just another reason for people to feel guilty about something. The card and gift industry knows this too. $$$
 
Once we become adults, I have found holidays to be just another reason for people to feel guilty about something. The card and gift industry knows this too. $$$
All the more reason then to include decent excluded dads, mums, grandparents in an UN-FATHERS DAY" and jamboree knees up whilst making some of those who should be feeling guilty get a few pangs, (should the hard nuts be capable of such feeling!). :unsure::(:whistle::sneaky:😭🥰😘😇
 
When laws in the UK were altered a few years ago the question was raised about whether the parties to it wished to have children, or intended to have children together, or not.

You'd have to say wouldn't you, that the most meaningful situation is the former because indicating you feel strongly enough about someone to wish to create a new life together is obviously a unique experience, (not withstanding all the other options available nowadays such as sprrm banks etc., where there can be no feelings at all between the parties!).
Abortions have become such a big issue mostly BECAUSE of the lack of feelings between parties creating that life. Its just sex for the sake of sex, and "oops"
 
Abortions have become such a big issue mostly BECAUSE of the lack of feelings between parties creating that life. Its just sex for the sake of sex, and "oops"
A subject for another thread perhaps, (apologies for appearing to tell you what to do here, but that's a heavy discussion if ever there was one, and this thread has an element of fun I hope you agree :) !).
 
You said """you feel strongly enough about someone to wish to create a new life together is obviously a unique experience, """. I merely rebutted your statement. You going to get passive aggressive EVERY time I disagree with you?
I certainly wasn't being so I assure you.

I'm being genuine when I say something like that, but you've slightly misinterpreted me in any case because I intended to focus upon you or I choosing a partner we might want to have a child with, and vice versa of course, being no small matter, (and this doesn't mean whomsoever we marry is able to father a child or become pregnant does it either!).
 
You said """you feel strongly enough about someone to wish to create a new life together is obviously a unique experience, """. I merely rebutted your statement. You going to get passive aggressive EVERY time I disagree with you?
Your mentioning "Passive Aggressive" meant I pricked my ears up when reading about this mans fairly new book examining all kinds of unfortunate traits he believes are becoming more prevalent in society:

"I cant believe you just said that", (by Danny Wallace, tv presenter etc in the UK)

Quote:
"We are ruder than we've ever been. In this incisive and very funny book, Danny Wallace investigates the new wave of rudeness that threatens to overwhelm us"

Break
"Etiquette is outdated; politeness is all we need, and this book is both a warning and a rallying cry for civility. We need politeness because it is right, it lifts our spirits, it makes things better, it lubricates the day and helps everything run smoother.

And we need it now more than ever, because things are getting worse.

Don’t tell me you haven’t felt it too. This ‘New Rudeness’ is global. It’s in the air, it pours out of our phones, tumbles from our TVs, dominates the cultural conversation and I firmly believe it threatens to overwhelm us.

Passive aggression. Road rage. Below-the-line commenters. Spitters. Queue-jumpers. People who are #justsaying or Only Being Honest or Not Being Funny But.

We seem more stressed, more time-pressed, tired, fed up, angry and put upon. We seem more resentful, envious, self-obsessed, racist and, yes, sad. We think less, react more, and run and jump to conclusions just so we have one, where once we might have ambled to see what happened along the way. We are self-entitled, knee-jerking, know-it-all thunderd*cks.

We are ruder than we’ve ever been, and the train is running away."
 
How about Like It or Not, It's Father's Day tomorrow.
You're right, (luckily most of the world won't notice will they, and what does it matter in the great scheme of things, kids turning on their parents, everyone telling dads what they're supposed to do or say,...., complete nightmare ain't it!
Yes it is terrible. What can be done?
Well, just let me tell you what can be done, "give some parents/dad, some modest rights, if they are thought decent, have shown considerable commitment already, were married to the mother and/or in a long term relationship with the mother beforehand"!

That should at least fix one obvious problem covered earlier on the thread, forcing courts to consider the interests of the fathers/parents alongside the child's interests, and it might include assisting dads who might otherwise be giving up because they know/believe they wont win if they do take matters before the courts, (leading them to withdraw from their own child or finding the belief necessary to overcome the difficulties we all face too much).
 
Nothing against those who remain single and/or those that do not have kids, for whatever reason, but as important as the role of father in maintaining a civil society is, I think we should have another Father’s Day. Perhaps call it “Good Father’s Day” to commemorate all the good father’s that have not abandoned their full role as a father.
 
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Nothing against those who remain single and/or those that do not have kids, for whatever reason, but as important as the role of father in maintaining a civil society is, I think we should have another Father’s Day. Perhaps call it “Good Father’s Day” to commemorate all the good father’s that have not abandoned their full role as a father.
Good idea, and I'm with you 100% if going along with it was a campaign to persuade our governments to grant modest rights to such dads/parents/grandparents, (here in the UK we've none as I keep saying!), then with any luck there might just turn out to be a few more good ones, when they discover they're not just going to lose out in the courts when push come to shove! :)
 


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