Here's why I favor a death sentence

Murderers are not created in a vacuum. There are always reasons. For example, I understand that lack of vitamin D in the brain of a fetus can result in atrophy of a part of the brain that can result in a psychopath's behavior.
But I believe it's necessary that a murderer of a certain degree of depravity should be kindly put to sleep, my opinion. (And as far as costs are concerned, things change.)

Off topic, just in case you're not aware of it, there is strong sympathy afoot for putting us old goats and blue hairs and infirm folk to sleep when required in the judgment of The Powers That Be. With our approval of course, out of the kindness of their hearts, because otherwise is cruel and inhuman.
 
Nathan said:
Revenge does not heal wounds, or help a person sleep better, it just makes a place for evil in one's own heart.
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Revenge can restore a person's dignity and self-respect. Whether or not it's worth going to prison or sacrificing one's own life depends on the situation and the amount of damage caused to one's self-esteem.
 

I don't see any dignity in revenge. All revenge is, is spite. Spite makes people ugly. I don't see anything respectful about that.

Why Revenge Feels Sweet and Turns Bitter
"Revenge promises balance, control, and emotional relief. We are led to believe it will close the wound. Yet decades of research suggest a more complicated truth. Getting even often keeps the hurt alive, fuels rumination, and sets off cycles of escalation that spread far beyond the original harm."
 
Nathan said:
How can perpetuating hate/violence/evil lead to positive feelings of dignity and self-respect?
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How Consequences Restore Self-Respect
  • Affirming Self-Worth: Setting boundaries and enforcing consequences teaches others that their actions have repercussions, which in turn teaches you to value your own worth rather than tolerating poor treatment.
  • Empowerment: Taking action to hold someone accountable increases your sense of power and self-efficacy. It transitions you from a "victim" state to one of agency, where you control how you respond to harm.
  • Reinforcing Standards: By not allowing disrespect to go unaddressed, you honor your own needs and values, which is the core of self-respect.
 
RambleTamble said:
How Consequences Restore Self-Respect
  • Affirming Self-Worth: Setting boundaries and enforcing consequences teaches others that their actions have repercussions, which in turn teaches you to value your own worth rather than tolerating poor treatment.
  • Empowerment: Taking action to hold someone accountable increases your sense of power and self-efficacy. It transitions you from a "victim" state to one of agency, where you control how you respond to harm.
  • Reinforcing Standards: By not allowing disrespect to go unaddressed, you honor your own needs and values, which is the core of self-respect.
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Accountability and enforcing consequences is of course what the law and criminal penalties are all about. Revenge does not equal accountability and enforcing consequences.

Edit: Here is an AI summation comparing accountability, consequences and revenge:

AI Overview

Accountability involves taking responsibility for actions and addressing harm for growth, while revenge is an emotional desire to inflict suffering, often escalating conflict;
consequences are the natural outcomes of actions, which accountability aims to manage constructively, unlike revenge, which focuses on punitive retaliation for personal satisfaction, not resolution.
True accountability seeks healing, learning, and prevention of future harm, whereas revenge offers fleeting satisfaction and prolongs negativity for everyone involved. link
 
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smiley said:
has anyone recalled the biblical reminder "vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord"? just saying
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Yes.

"Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" is a powerful biblical phrase from Romans 12:19, instructing believers not to seek personal revenge, but to trust God for justice, leaving retribution to Him as He promises to repay wrongdoing in His own time and way, often followed by instructions to show love and kindness even to enemies
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Nathan said:
Accountability and enforcing consequences is of course what the law and criminal penalties are all about.
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The problem with that is, in the U.S. and in many countries, we have a two tiered legal system. You can get away with fraud if you're rich. You can get away with destroying someone's reputation if you have a good lawyer. You can get away with a lot of different kinds of crime if you have the money to play the legal system.
 
RambleTamble said:
The problem with that is, in the U.S. and in many countries, we have a two tiered legal system. You can get away with fraud if you're rich. You can get away with destroying someone's reputation if you have a good lawyer. You can get away with a lot of different kinds of crime if you have the money to play the legal system.
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....... and even get elected president.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
I have struggled unsuccessfully with this issue for years, but any conclusion I may eventually come to, if I ever do, cannot be based on economics.
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I think that is good of you, but will you pay for it then please, instead of forcing me to pay? I did hard labor for every Almighty Dollar I earned so I like to choose my charities. My charity will never go to the depraved murderer although I hope my sympathy and understanding will.
 
gruntlabor said:
I think that is good of you, but will you pay for it then please, instead of forcing me to pay? I did hard labor for every Almighty Dollar I earned so I like to choose my charities. My charity will never go to the depraved murderer although I hope my sympathy and understanding will.
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Gee, I wish I could help you out there, but I don't fund our legal system - I just bore people with my opinions. :LOL: BTW, Don't know if you saw this post from @CallMeKate.
 
gruntlabor said:
I think that is good of you, but will you pay for it then please, instead of forcing me to pay? I did hard labor for every Almighty Dollar I earned so I like to choose my charities. My charity will never go to the depraved murderer although I hope my sympathy and understanding will.
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That's why I think force em to work. Don't work. Don't eat. Put an assembly line there. No food if you refuse to work.

It's absurd that they just get paid and in my country have it way better than a homeless person. I don't really care because I work only 3 days and have a nice job, but indeed those men who work really hard, to force them to pay taxes to house and feed murderers is highly unfair.
 
MACKTEXAS said:
Gee, I wish I could help you out there, but I don't fund our legal system - I just bore people with my opinions. :LOL: BTW, Don't know if you saw this post from CallMeKate
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:) Yes, I did, MACK, thanks. Both Life in Prison and the Death Penalty are too expensive. A bullet to the brain only costs about 32 cents maybe but as you say these are just opinions which, in a forum, we are encouraged to join in and have fun except for politics in which case we must
"Stifle, stifle, stifle!" --Archie Bunker
 
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I'm against the death penalty. I would like to see much stricter national gun laws, including a total ban on semiautomatic weapons. I would like a balanced budget, higher taxes overall with removal of many loopholes, reduced defense spending, removal of the cap on Social Security taxes, something equivalent to Medicare for all, a total re-think of the criminal justice system with an emphasis on reform and rehabilitation for young and/or first-time offenders, an end to overseas adventurism, and a Marshall Plan type program for big cities.

I love capitalism and consider myself a patriotic conservative. I think our borders should be open only to legal, vetted immigrants who might contribute something to the US.

The inside of my head is like an overheated microwave these days...
 
Dr.Colosso said:
That's why I think force em to work. Don't work. Don't eat. Put an assembly line there. No food if you refuse to work.

It's absurd that they just get paid and in my country have it way better than a homeless person. I don't really care because I work only 3 days and have a nice job, but indeed those men who work really hard, to force them to pay taxes to house and feed murderers is highly unfair.
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Exactly. Here murderers live better than I do, languishing in luxury, while our military sleep on cots in 50-man tents with noisy clacking generators. What the hell? If it's good enough for our boys, it's good enough for a murderer.
 
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Irishdude said:
I would like to see much stricter national gun laws, including a total ban on semiautomatic weapons.
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This is a "semiautomatic weapon"...
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I think you mean semiautomatic rifle or maybe AR-15 style rifle. Those are the weapons of choice of mass murderers.
 
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OneEyedDiva said:
~There have been a few people over the years who've been exonerated and released because newly found DNA evidence proved they did not commit the murders they were accused of. What if they had been executed? I just read about a man's family who received a massive payout (millions) because their loved one was wrongly accused, spent 28 years in prison and was not guilty of the crime. Unfortunately, he died a couple of years after he was released and did not get to enjoy any of the money, which was awarded after his death.
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We have a very imperfect legal system, and not all police / law enforcement personnel / judicial officers etc. are honest / moral. Sometimes they want the easy way out, sometimes they are simply incompetent. For a variety of reasons, it's hard to support the death penalty because of this very reason. Much agreed.

100% proof of guilt - as in caught in the act / caught on film (not just an eye witness) ... I support a more expedient death penalty. The process we have now seems extremely inefficient.

@squatting dog I DO think Governors and Judges need to be held more accountable for their choices. If a Judge lets a repeat offender go free (for example) and that person kills someone - the Judge should get a strike and 3 strikes they are out for good. Or something along those lines... it's far from a cure, but would certainly help matters. Same way, DA's etc who are found to have put an innocent person in prison should be accountable.

Just my 2 cents :)
 

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