Home Invasions: The Biggest Mistakes Victims Make

Pepper said:
🎶Paranoia strikes deep............
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Indiana Joe said:
I'm not going to argue against the merits of a shotgun.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/bl...s-comparing-effective-range-for-home-defense/

However, in relation to The Powers That Be banning any type of gun it is not about that specific weapon, it simply a multi-step process to work their way down the ladder from gun ban to gun ban, until all manner of guns are banned.
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I’m not going to get into another gun argument, but without an amendment to the Constitution “all manner of guns“ could not and will not ever be banned. And yes, a shotgun is a scary weapon.
 
hollydolly said:
I called the Guardia.. Civil.. ( the best Guardia carry guns always).. and I'm trained to use a gun, and I probably would have killedl him.
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Those Guardia are tough customers. In my youth as a member of the US Navy I was stationed in Spain for two years and lived in Puerto de Santa Maria. It was rumored that well south of where I lived some members of a band of gypsies had beaten up a young Guardia and taken his gun. The Guardia paid them a visit, recovered the gun, and shot most of the gypsies. The Guardia in need of transportation had an unusual procedure. They would stop a passing car, inquire where it was going, and hitch a ride. Happened to me once. (-8
 

Indiana Joe said:
And the anti-gun, ant-reality activists want take the weapons of self-defense away from the law abiding?
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I am a gun owner and have several in my house. All under lock and key without ammunition. I worry more about accidental shootings than home invasion. There are two sides to this story, to quote from a well documented, peer reviewed study:

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
 
My cousin married a policeman. Nice guy, very handsome.
They were married about two years and were expecting their first baby.
He held a poker game in his house with at least one fellow police officer.
At the end of the night, the fellow officer was putting his gun back into his holster when it discharged and shot my cousin's husband to death.
I decided I would pass on having a gun in the house.
 
palides2021 said:
Sorry, I don't believe in guns. Just the idea of owning one terrifies me.
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If they scare you, you shouldn't own one. So you're doing the right thing. If people who are afraid of guns feel they need protection, then a dog is a good alternative, and so are alarms....really loud ones. The moment home invaders hear barking that sounds big and scary, and anxious to bite, or an alarm that's loud and super annoying, they'll run as fast as they can as far away as they can.
 
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OldFeller said:
My cousin married a policeman. Nice guy, very handsome.
They were married about two years and were expecting their first baby.
He held a poker game in his house with at least one fellow police officer.
At the end of the night, the fellow officer was putting his gun back into his holster when it discharged and shot my cousin's husband to death.
I decided I would pass on having a gun in the house.
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Fools (like that policeman) shouldn't own guns. Ya know, they fire when your finger is on the trigger, whether you want them to or not. A gun's trigger makes a very poor finger rest.
There is no such thing as a gun with a functioning brain. The brain is in the gun owner; if it's not functioning, it's not the gun's fault.
 
Alligatorob said:
I am a gun owner and have several in my house. All under lock and key without ammunition. I worry more about accidental shootings than home invasion. There are two sides to this story, to quote from a well documented, peer reviewed study:

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
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^^^^ Yes, and only the unvaccinated get Covid. 😂
 
win231 said:
No matter where I am in my house, I'm always 3-4 seconds from a gun (safely stored in a quick-access lock box). If I'm wearing one, it's more like 1 second. And that includes every room.
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I don't lock up my guns except while kids are here. And I've always kept 2 of them staged; one in the front room and one in the bedroom.

Our new-to-us house has a front room, of course, but also a family room at the back, where sliding glass doors go out to the back yard. So I need to stage a 3rd gun there, but haven't decided yet where exactly. You enter that room from the kitchen, plus there's a door in there that leads to what I call The Part Room which also has a sliding glass door to outside. I'm thinking the best place that's sort of central to all that is my recliner. It's faux leather so it'd be easy to affix a pocket or custom holster to it.
 
Murrmurr said:
I don't lock up my guns except while kids are here. And I've always kept 2 of them staged; one in the front room and one in the bedroom.

Our new-to-us house has a front room, of course, but also a family room at the back, where sliding glass doors go out to the back yard. So I need to stage a 3rd gun there, but haven't decided yet where exactly. You enter that room from the kitchen, plus there's a door in there that leads to what I call The Part Room which also has a sliding glass door to outside. I'm thinking the best place that's sort of central to all that is my recliner. It's faux leather so it'd be easy to affix a pocket or custom holster to it.
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As we age, we forget things. I wouldn't trust my memory enough to remember where every gun is when kids/people visit. And I may not always be home to secure firearms when visitors arrive but I still want quick access. That's what these are for:
Fort Knox handgun safe
Fort Knox Pistol Safe
 
Alligatorob said:
I am a gun owner and have several in my house. All under lock and key without ammunition. I worry more about accidental shootings than home invasion. There are two sides to this story, to quote from a well documented, peer reviewed study:

Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense.

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/
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What does your reply have to do with my post regarding -

" And the anti-gun, ant-reality activists want take the weapons of self-defense away from the law abiding"

Your link led to this -
During the study interval (12 months in Memphis, 18 months in Seattle, and Galveston) 626 shootings occurred in or around a residence. This total included 54 unintentional shootings, 118 attempted or completed suicides, and 438 assaults/homicides. Thirteen shootings were legally justifiable or an act of self-defense, including three that involved law enforcement officers acting in the line of duty. For every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides.
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Now how in the bleep do the above numbers compare with the CDC figures of 2.5 million self-defenses uses with a gun?

And what is the credibility of the figures on the site you supplied?

And even with those figures, if true, how do they legitimatize the right to take away the guns from everybody else?

And that figure of only thirteen legitimate uses of a gun for self defense over a 15 month period is nonsense. Those figures have always been lied about by The Powers That Be.
 
win231 said:
No matter where I am in my house, I'm always 3-4 seconds from a gun (safely stored in a quick-access lock box). If I'm wearing one, it's more like 1 second. And that includes every room.
I'm behind iron gates & they stay closed unless I'm expecting someone. I don't open my door without knowing who's there. Any attempt to break in will result in me opening fire.

A re-post from August:
When I got married in 1980, we bought a house in a "quiet" neighborhood. We couldn't have known that our next-door neighbors were drug dealers. I'm relaxing one evening & a loud motorcycle parks in front. I watch a guy around 6'10" & at least 400 lbs walk up to my front door & he starts pounding on it - really pounding, the whole wall is shaking.

Without opening the door (of course), I ask "Who is it?"

He yells, "Open the f-----g door or I'll break it down." (Obviously, he could - easily)

I grabbed my 12 Gauge, went back to the door & chambered a round (makes a loud noise) & yelled, "Did you hear that?"

He says, "Yeah, & I don't give a f--k......nobody rips me off."

That gave me a clue - he mistook my house for my next-door neighbor's house where he felt they ripped him off on a drug deal.
I said, "You don't want to die for nothing; you got the wrong house; your dealers are next door....leave while you're still breathing."
He went next door & I heard lots of yelling, then police showed up & arrested everyone.
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Oh Dear! Definitely doesn't sound like Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

https://www.misterrogers.org/video-playlist/mister-rogers-songs/
 

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Indiana Joe said:
What does your reply have to do with my post
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Just pointing out why some people rationally support gun regulation.
Indiana Joe said:
the CDC figures of 2.5 million self-defenses uses with a gun?
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I am having a hard time finding that number, can you point to its origin? I know Fox News has said it, but found no backup. I could find nothing with that number or anything close on the CDC website, but Fox claims it has been removed. It would help to know what has been removed and it's basis. This is an important consideration in deciding what gun policies are best.
Indiana Joe said:
And what is the credibility of the figures on the site you supplied?
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It's a peer reviewed article by researchers from the Center for Injury Control, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory University published in an internationally recognized medical journal. Doesn't get much better.

Is there any similar backup for the 2.5 million number?
 
Alligatorob said:
Just pointing out why some people rationally support gun regulation.

I am having a hard time finding that number, can you point to its origin? I know Fox News has said it, but found no backup. I could find nothing with that number or anything close on the CDC website, but Fox claims it has been removed. It would help to know what has been removed and it's basis. This is an important consideration in deciding what gun policies are best.

It's a peer reviewed article by researchers from the Center for Injury Control, Rollins School of Public Health, Emory University published in an internationally recognized medical journal. Doesn't get much better.

Is there any similar backup for the 2.5 million number?
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https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...ms-2-million-defensive-handgun-uses-annually/

lawenforcementtoday.com (This source also doesn't "get any better".

Unpublished CDC Study Confirms More than 2
Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually About The Author Unpublished
CDC Study Confirms More than 2 Million Defensive Handgun Uses Annually

"Peer Review" doesn't mean squat anymore. "Peer Reviews" are done by the same people with PhDs and Master's degrees who are forcing our kids to accept Drag Queens and other perverted nonsense in the schools of today.

Besides, if guns saved the lives of only a thousand people in a year, those thousand lives should not have saved? They should have died some painful, prolonged death, or live with lifetime of some horrible STD because of a rape they didn't have the means to protect themselves from happening?
 
Indiana Joe said:
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...ms-2-million-defensive-handgun-uses-annually/

lawenforcementtoday.com (This source also doesn't "get any better".
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That is an unsigned piece in a news and opinion website containing no actual study or data. It does get better...

I was able to find what I believe is the basis for the 2.5 million claim, a 1995 paper by Kleck and Gertz in the Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, a reputable peer reviewed journal. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6853&context=jclc If you know of something else, data based and not news or opinion, it would be useful.

It does include citations to other studies and data which indicate that something on the order of 2.5 million "Incidents of Civilian Defense Gun Use" occur annually in the US. The numbers appear credible and are based on surveys where people were asked if they had used a gun in self defense. Most did not involve discharging the guns, and there is no accounting for how often the incidents were necessary or lead to innocents being injured. However that is the nature of good research focusing on a single question. I do think this is interesting and requires more investigation.

Indiana Joe said:
"Peer Review" doesn't mean squat anymore.
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What alternative do you see to peer review? Its the only way I know of that we can assure some competent independent reviewers agree that an article should be published. Helps limit unsupported opinion passing as fact.
Indiana Joe said:
if guns saved the lives of only a thousand people in a year, those thousand lives should not have saved?
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Of course, any life that can be saved should be. However in deciding things like gun control policies it really helps to know the tradeoffs. How many lives were lost as the result of those self-defense weapons? If it is more or less than saved that is important.
 
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win231 said:
No matter where I am in my house, I'm always 3-4 seconds from a gun (safely stored in a quick-access lock box). If I'm wearing one, it's more like 1 second. And that includes every room.
I'm behind iron gates & they stay closed unless I'm expecting someone. I don't open my door without knowing who's there. Any attempt to break in will result in me opening fire.

A re-post from August:
When I got married in 1980, we bought a house in a "quiet" neighborhood. We couldn't have known that our next-door neighbors were drug dealers. I'm relaxing one evening & a loud motorcycle parks in front. I watch a guy around 6'10" & at least 400 lbs walk up to my front door & he starts pounding on it - really pounding, the whole wall is shaking.

Without opening the door (of course), I ask "Who is it?"

He yells, "Open the f-----g door or I'll break it down." (Obviously, he could - easily)

I grabbed my 12 Gauge, went back to the door & chambered a round (makes a loud noise) & yelled, "Did you hear that?"

He says, "Yeah, & I don't give a f--k......nobody rips me off."

That gave me a clue - he mistook my house for my next-door neighbor's house where he felt they ripped him off on a drug deal.
I said, "You don't want to die for nothing; you got the wrong house; your dealers are next door....leave while you're still breathing."
He went next door & I heard lots of yelling, then police showed up & arrested everyone.
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Do you get spooked by every little noise? Having to be on the alert constantly for safety would cause me anxiety attacks.
 
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