Home ownership, upkeep costs, no money

SueBee

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At the end of 2021, I bought a house halfway across the country, after having been a renter for decades. I’d owned a small mobile home, sold it and used the proceeds ($30k) as the down payment. I live on social security, but can afford to do so in my new state. Owning a home that I bought all by myself still makes me pinch myself to see if it’s real.

The mortage (PITI) costs me less each month than the space rent did on the mobile home I owned. The thing I know will be a problem is the lack of money for certain maintenance things (rain gutters for example). I do have a bit of savings (under $40k) from a 401K that I rolled over, but I’m keeping that for future potential big ticket items. My brother and wife also moved to the same place I now live.

They were lucky and sold their house that was free & clear for over $1.3M and also inherited her mother’s estate, with a house, also free & clear, that cleared $1.4M, as well as investments And a pension. So, to say they’re rolling in dough is an understatement, in my mind. They spend freely on things for their new house.

The sore spot that prompts this post is my brother, while perhaps meaning well, says to me that he’s getting new leaf guards on his house, and upgrading the furnace/AC. (I’m using this as an example as it’s been a continual thing for past year or two…) He then says I should get new gutters. Mine are original to the 1964 house and have some rust and leak issues at downspouts. I told him I’d had an estimate, and can’t do it right now. He asks why.

He and wife both know my financial situation very well, and yet my brother will still ask me why I’m not doing this or that maintenance thing. I tell him I don’t have the money. I get the impression from his comments that he just doesn’t understand. He and wife never had kids, both worked, they kept to themselves. I raised 3 kids by myself, self-employed. I don’t have the savings they do, but I feel very fortunate, truly lucky, to be where I am today, in my early 70s. How do I get myself to just “let it go” when he says things like he does… clearly with no comprehension of a person not able to spend freely.
 

I understand absolutely! Similar situation here, except it isn't about improvements/repairs to the house; rather it is to the property surrounding it. My brother lives next door, has for over 25 years. His land looks really nice, brush cleared, green grass, etc. He has had all this time to do the work. I moved in here two years ago. He frequently says things like "you should rake up these pine needles". Understand, it is an acre of pine needles! "This brush needs to be cleared out."

First, I am not able to do heavy work anymore. Second, I have hired some of it out but can't spend more money on that right now. So my response now is, "It is definitely something to consider", or "you're right, feel free to jump in and do it yourself."

Maybe your reply could be something like, "You gonna pay for it?"
 
You say "bro I know you mean well but please understand you and I are in very different financial positions, I know things need to be done but I need to save up for each project, I'll get there in time".

Hopefully he gets it, if not there's little you can do except learn to say thanks or go the other direction and start distancing yourself from him.
 

I own a two story but some of this applies to one stories. Im guessing yours is one story.
I looked into leaf guards. Theres a lot of stuff they dont tell you. For example.

They can trap leaves, twigs, and other stuff on top and stop water from entering the gutters.
Small debris like pine needles, seeds, and shingle grit can still get through and clog the system.
Then you have to pay extra maintenance on them so your gutters can be cleaned.
They also can make it hard to visually inspect the gutters for buildup.
This can lead to unnoticed clogs and potential damage.
Water can back up if they are clogged and damage the soffits etc.

Lets just say leaf guards would be $3000 and gutter cleaning is $300 a year.
You can have your gutters cleaned for ten years for the same cost.
Check out costs in your area to make an informed decision.
For what its worth Im sticking with yearly cleaning and patching any leaks that show up.

Also why do you need new gutters. Gutters can be patched and might just need to be rehung with the proper slope.
And you need to know why there are leaks at the downspouts and fix the issue.
Guards probably wont solve that issue since they just sit on top of the gutters.
 
I own a two story but some of this applies to one stories. Im guessing yours is one story.
I looked into leaf guards. Theres a lot of stuff they dont tell you. For example.

They can trap leaves, twigs, and other stuff on top and stop water from entering the gutters.
Small debris like pine needles, seeds, and shingle grit can still get through and clog the system.
Then you have to pay extra maintenance on them so your gutters can be cleaned.
They also can make it hard to visually inspect the gutters for buildup.
This can lead to unnoticed clogs and potential damage.
Water can back up if they are clogged and damage the soffits etc.

Lets just say leaf guards would be $3000 and gutter cleaning is $300 a year.
You can have your gutters cleaned for ten years for the same cost.
Check out costs in your area to make an informed decision.
For what its worth Im sticking with yearly cleaning and patching any leaks that show up.

Also why do you need new gutters. Gutters can be patched and might just need to be rehung with the proper slope.
And you need to know why there are leaks at the downspouts and fix the issue.
Guards probably wont solve that issue since they just sit on top of the gutters.
^ That's all true. But about rain gutters; rust is not an issue unless it's eating holes through them. If that's not happening, don't even worry about it. Besides, they're not essential and they can cause more problems than they solve. Their main purpose is preventing water from pooling around the house. Shrubs and flower beds, walkways, decks, and skirts do too....and they're on the ground, 100% reachable and maintainable.

As for your brother, my advice is to tell him to stop asking you about it. You told him already, and you're tired of repeating it.
 
This sounds terrible but I couldn't resist. Since your brother keeps telling you to get gutters, wouldn't be nice to say; "Okay, when are you going to buy them for me"? Oh, I'm terrible. ;)
That's not terrible. If SueBee's rain gutters bother him so much, he should order some for her, along with an installer, and put it on his card. If he isn't willing to do that, he needs to keep his million-dollar trap shut.
 
He asks why.

I tell him I don’t have the money.

If he should ask again remind him you already explained you don't have the money & to please not ask again.

Or maybe like I do with my sons when they run up against a high cost "need" they aren't able to take care of. I pay for what ever that is with a no interest loan. They pay me back monthly with an amount they can afford. I feel good that I can help them, they feel good that they aren't taking advantage of us. If you are on good terms with your brother maybe that would be something he would agree to.
 
If he should ask again remind him you already explained you don't have the money & to please not ask again.

Or maybe like I do with my sons when they run up against a high cost "need" they aren't able to take care of. I pay for what ever that is with a no interest loan. They pay me back monthly with an amount they can afford. I feel good that I can help them, they feel good that they aren't taking advantage of us. If you are on good terms with your brother maybe that would be something he would agree to.
Just my opinion, but she shouldn't have to ask; if he didn't have his head up his arse, he would've offered the first time she told him.

She worked hard and she's happy with what she's accomplished. He got lucky, and he's on her about this kind of shyte?
I don't understand this guy.
 
Just my opinion, but she shouldn't have to ask; if he didn't have his head up his arse, he would've offered the first time she told him.

She worked hard and she's happy with what she's accomplished. He got lucky, and he's on her about this kind of shyte?
I don't understand this guy.
We don't know what kind of relationship she has with her brother. Her brother according to her post sounds like he has enough wealth to afford providing the maintenance needed at no cost to her. She also explains they spend freely on "stuff". Her brother & his wife may be the kind that piss away a fortune & spend now to continue appearances.

I don't know all the circumstance or her brothers actual finances, just offered an opinion on what might work & included
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"If you are on good terms with your brother maybe that would be something he would agree to."
 
Skip the gutter guards. There's a simple tool you can get for under 30 bucks that allows you to use your garden hose to flush any debris away. As a bonus, it works great if you have a car for those hard to reach spots. :)


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Looks doable even for a woman in her 70's. Solutions rather than expecting freebies for a woman that has been independent seems better to me.
 
You say "bro I know you mean well but please understand you and I are in very different financial positions, I know things need to be done but I need to save up for each project, I'll get there in time".

Hopefully he gets it, if not there's little you can do except learn to say thanks or go the other direction and start distancing yourself from him.
I really like how you worded that. Thank you so much.
 
I understand absolutely! Similar situation here, except it isn't about improvements/repairs to the house; rather it is to the property surrounding it. My brother lives next door, has for over 25 years. His land looks really nice, brush cleared, green grass, etc. He has had all this time to do the work. I moved in here two years ago. He frequently says things like "you should rake up these pine needles". Understand, it is an acre of pine needles! "This brush needs to be cleared out."

First, I am not able to do heavy work anymore. Second, I have hired some of it out but can't spend more money on that right now. So my response now is, "It is definitely something to consider", or "you're right, feel free to jump in and do it yourself."

Maybe your reply could be something like, "You gonna pay for it?"
That would be very tempting to say, but knowing my brother he wouldn’t “get it” and would end up mad. Thanks for the very good suggestion, though. And good luck with yours!
 
Skip the gutter guards. There's a simple tool you can get for under 30 bucks that allows you to use your garden hose to flush any debris away. As a bonus, it works great if you have a car for those hard to reach spots. :)


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I’m going to try finding one of those, although in thinking about it, I’m not sure I could reach. I’m just over 5’ and my house has a basement, which means it sits higher than a regular single story. I’ve dragged my extension ladder out and cleaned the gutters myself a few times, but it’s a bit tricky leaning the ladder against the house, no doubt. I’m slightly hesitant to try again, but I might.

As to the leaks… the only leaks are at the downspouts, and one downspout actually broke away due to rust. I’m going to head to Home Depot and see what sort of product they sell to fix. I’m a DIYer but also know I need to be smart, and careful. Thank you for the pics!
 
I have very wide eaves, but no rain gutters, and don't want them. Water just runs off the edge of the roof onto the ground. This house was bought in 2008, and if it hasn't caused me a problem after this long, I don't expect one now.
I had a bit of water leak into basement my first year here, mostly from one spot where water overflowed the clogged gutter and waterfalled to the ground. Once the water found its way into basement, it did again during this last set of storms (I’m in Kansas) but just a bit of water as I laid a tarp down outside.
 
I attached some pictures of problem areas on my vintage gutters. I think there is something I can buy, some sort of goop, that might seal the end caps. I also think, now that I have the photo, that the downspout might be easy enough to attach back in place. I guess my main problem is the very sandy soil and my difficulty in standing the ladder up against the roof.

I like a good challenge and doing things myself, but if I feel it’s beyond me, I’ll have to find someone, a handyman or such, to do the repairs. And, someone else to clean them out each year. I have cottonwoods and sycamores and they do so love dropping their leaves, branches, and fuzzy stuff. I sure appreciate all your input!!
 

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This sounds terrible but I couldn't resist. Since your brother keeps telling you to get gutters, wouldn't it be nice to say; "Okay, when are you going to buy them for me"? Oh, I'm terrible. ;)
I think you’re actually brilliant… ok, so I’m also terrible, lol!
 
I have very wide eaves, but no rain gutters, and don't want them. Water just runs off the edge of the roof onto the ground. This house was bought in 2008, and if it hasn't caused me a problem after this long, I don't expect one now.
I’d thought about that… I don’t have the super wide eaves, but have been researching making a french drain, decorative, so water would run away from house.
 
If he should ask again remind him you already explained you don't have the money & to please not ask again.

Or maybe like I do with my sons when they run up against a high cost "need" they aren't able to take care of. I pay for what ever that is with a no interest loan. They pay me back monthly with an amount they can afford. I feel good that I can help them, they feel good that they aren't taking advantage of us. If you are on good terms with your brother maybe that would be something he would agree to.
You're not so far off the mark. My great aunt was fairly well off and when I was in my late 20's and wanted a new car my father went to her and arranged a "loan". He gave me a paper to tick off every payment. I paid them religiously, with much lower interest than I would have received from a bank. I paid it off in 3 years and she made interest on the loan.

What you are doing with your sons is smart and admirable.
 
We all love rich uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, and distant relatives....always try to find excuses to visit and be connected to them...just in case....
🙄
 
I attached some pictures of problem areas on my vintage gutters. I think there is something I can buy, some sort of goop, that might seal the end caps. I also think, now that I have the photo, that the downspout might be easy enough to attach back in place. I guess my main problem is the very sandy soil and my difficulty in standing the ladder up against the roof.

I like a good challenge and doing things myself, but if I feel it’s beyond me, I’ll have to find someone, a handyman or such, to do the repairs. And, someone else to clean them out each year. I have cottonwoods and sycamores and they do so love dropping their leaves, branches, and fuzzy stuff. I sure appreciate all your input!!

You can buy a new end cap from Home Depot etc and crimp it on the gutter and glue it.
Gutter edge is a little rough so might need to straighten it a little with some snips.
Heres a video. Its easier than explaining.


Your down spouts can be reattached. Use new downspout outlets from Home Depot etc
on the gutter and glue them too.

I would add some downspout extenders to channel water away from the house.
I prefer the plastic ones. They are pretty inexpensive. And theyre easy to detach .
Anyplace theres a bend in the gutter is a potential clog.

drain spout extenders - Google Search

You could do this yourself but I wouldnt. If you fall off that ladder its going to cost you more than a gutter repair.
Even if you dont do your own repairs. You should know how to do them so you can judge if the handy person you hire
knows which end of the hammer to hold. Im 75. I no longer clean my garage gutters. Ive put my ladders away. :D
 
You're not so far off the mark. My great aunt was fairly well off and when I was in my late 20's and wanted a new car my father went to her and arranged a "loan". He gave me a paper to tick off every payment. I paid them religiously, with much lower interest than I would have received from a bank. I paid it off in 3 years and she made interest on the loan.

What you are doing with your sons is smart and admirable.
Thank you.

So many families are torn apart by money that was given with the expectation of being paid back but wasn't.

My wife & I could easily afford to just give our sons what they need without payback but we don't. We started when they were teens. At 16 they were given their 1st. cars as a gift. They had to get an after school job, find a way to get to & back from that job. Save enough to buy their own insurance & pay for gasoline & upkeep. Then they got the keys. They had pride in their ability to do that. That sense of pride to be self sufficient carries thru even now.
 


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